Blaming Israel for carnage

Blaming Israel for carnage

There are 121858 comments on the Fort Worth Star-Telegram story from Jul 22, 2006, titled Blaming Israel for carnage. In it, Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that:

Most media outlets aren't providing news of Israel's barbaric air raids on Lebanon with fairness and integrity.

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Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#114090 Jan 8, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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It fascinates me how people with no connection to the conflict can waste so much time on it especially when much of what they say is crap.
It fascinates you that people want justice for others regardless of their connection with Israel? That they are wasting their time in voicing their opinion?Because Israel knows it all?? How arrogant you truly are to think that Israel is not in the middle of and not part of the reason that the middle east is in the situation it is in. I suppose it is easier to bury one's head in the sand, blame the Arabs for everything, use Christians as partners when the reality is that you don't even allow proselytizing in your democratic Israel re Christianity and where you don't listen to the concerns of the everyday lay person.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#114091 Jan 8, 2014
orion wrote:
<quoted text>What I gather from your article is that if Indians bought the properties of London, they have theright to take over Britain. As I said before, there were only 84 000 Jews in Palestine in 1924. Now there are some 7 million. Whether an invasion is pacific or violent, it is still an invasion. When the weeds invade a garden, the gardener pull them out, otherwise the flowers die. Simple as that.
Khazar and Ashkenazim Jews-You Tube
An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel.
http://youtube.com/watch...
The link is broken Orion, can you post it again??

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#114092 Jan 8, 2014
George wrote:
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Indians in Canada and the US captured families and scalped them saving the scalp, should all Indians be rounded up and arrested because 150-200 years ago savages had very nasty practises in war, nothing would ever be done today anything like that however following your logic that should happen.
The same with Germans because of Hitler or Venezulans because of hiding Nazis and working for chavez.
This can keep going on forever, if we follow the preachings of someone caught in a time warp that want's revenge or justice to make up for a 5000 years old problem, shall we desecrate their graves to make people like you happy. You seem to want some form of justice to make you happy. Germans have paid billions to apologize to Jews, Russia executed a whole family and their relatives because they did not like them and wanted to replace them, should we be rounding up the next king and his family and execute them.
Just do some readings about the Royal Families in England and you will meet murderers, rapists, witches, prostitutes and thieves, so again do we round them up.
NO NO NO NO, enough instead of reasearching about the OT or ET, well maybe it is time to research how to stop the war, how to get forgivenesses, how to repay, how to live together and how to work together. It is each just to blab away about 200 years ago when you only have a memory written on paper by possibly someone that knows.
People feel so very smart about condemning people, but yet so few stand up and help to settle a dispute. The people with the dispute ending will on day hug and move on.
Australia practising the "Circle of Healing" invented by natives and has been brought to many countries. I have been involved with this program for over a year and it is incredibly marvelous, go ahead just read. Australia actually deal with a murder and was able to come up with a satisfying solution for both sides, imagine that. That is what happens when busy boddies get together to forge a solution.
The other solution is carry on and start ANOTHER was and see who wins
BTW George what is the 5000 year old problem that you are referring to?It sure didn't have anything to do with the Hebrews. Also desecrating anyone's grave is not going to make me happy so why would you even suggest that. I am posting about real time accountability for something that was done just over 60 years ago as opposed to 5000 years ago. Hopefully humanity has moved on from then

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#114093 Jan 8, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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exactly what an antisemite would say..
Exactly the response that would be expected from a Zionist- so go figure
Kantara2009

Turkey

#114094 Jan 8, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
BTW I also blame Israel and her actions for the rise in antisemetism
..Guess you mean anti Zionism rather than antisemitism?
Woody

Duncanville, TX

#114095 Jan 8, 2014
The largest Dutch pension fund company, PGGM, has reportedly chosen to withdraw all its investments from the five largest Israeli banks, whose branches are involved in financing construction in the settlements in the West Bank.

Over the past few months the Dutch pension giant has informed some of Israel's top banks, such as Bank Hapoalim, Bank Leumi, Bank Mizrahi-Tefahot, the First International Bank of Israel and Israel Discount Bank, that their ties with the settlements, and/or companies involved in construction there, were an obstacle from the standpoint of international law, a source told Haaretz.
Uzi

Herzliya, Israel

#114096 Jan 8, 2014
George wrote:
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Watch, the next step they are going to start saying that the Topix Forum is controlled by the Jewish media.
As a matter of fact I do. U mean u did not know that??
Uzi

Herzliya, Israel

#114099 Jan 8, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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Oh you have a problem alright with anyone who disagrees with what Israel did. Where have I blamed Jews for being ethnically cleansed you filthy liar? Don't go trying to put your words in my mouth. It is people such as you who accept no responsibility for Israel's actions. I have voiced my opinion re Islam and the Islamists many times on a different forum If you lived in the Muslim world yourself you would be in exactly the same situation so I don't see your point. I live in the west and the last time I looked we still had freedom of speech. The fact that what I post doesn't tickle your ears is neither here nor there
It's all about you, you and you. Go and take a flying leap you one sided freak. I have yet to see you condemn ANYTHING that Israel has done. You just pay lip service but are never ever specific about what Israel has done that you don't agree with
hahahha hahaha piece of shit, freedom of speach is not telling lies about the jews and Israel u nazi retarded closet muslim. Clueless nazislamist propaganda bitch.
Uzi

Herzliya, Israel

#114101 Jan 8, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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I don't care who I sound like. You need to deal with it. I haven't spread any lies and if you are not Israeli then I would like to know what your state is in the matter. I became involved in the matter when studying the OT.What I blamed Israel for was intimidating people,killing people and destroying people's homes and property that didn't belong to them when they immigrated to Palestine.This was increased in the lead up to the declaration of Israel as a state where they made a concerted grab for as much land as they could get/take. They took this land without the consent of the inhabitants already there. You state that most left without ever seeing a soldier but that is not true as the people who survived will tell you.Israeli soldiers themselves have also stated this was not the case and actually boasted about their exploits. I would prefer to believe an eyewitness as to one that was not there at the time. So it seems that many people are liars. Eyewitnesses, Israeli soldiers, historians they are all wrong and Israel is always right
You post like it is always Israel who is the victim when the reality is that this is not the case. Most of the media is owned by Jews and they manipulate it to suit their own agenda which includes trying to debunk what actually happened. In Israel there is even a person who says who can and can't get married in Israel since when did that represent a democracy?
I have never denied the holocaust nor blamed the Jews for it happening. My German teacher was in one of those camps and had a number tattooed on her arm as proof she was there.
I used a statement by Goebbels which I felt was appropriate for Israel It in no way was a comparison between Germany and Israel..Although Israel did carry out many atrocities
Like I stated I will post on what I see fit and when. End of story
hitler jr the female type is vomiting her muslim nazi lies and complete bullshit here. Very few people believe what u post here except idiots of ur kind. End of ur story. End of Englandistan is coming too but it should make u happy. The bitch from Englandistan and the proud owner of English Gibraltar and English Falkland Islands cause we know that both "belong" to Englandistan and her queer Queen. Pathetic shit.
Uzi

Herzliya, Israel

#114102 Jan 8, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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Danetoo I don't hate Israel with a passion because I have an opinion different from yours. I disagree with their actions in relation to obtaining a state and the way that they went about it. That doesn't mean I hate all Jews who are living in Israel or the rest of the world. Many Jews agree with my point of view and deny that Ertzl Israel is what is documented in the bible. If you chose to take my comments the way you do then so be it. I have defended Israel on many occasions that you now seem to forget.
Hello nazi shitstain, how u doing with Gibraltar and the Falkland Island among other places that U so conveniently ha ha "obtained"????? hahahaha hahahahha nazi shit.
Uzi

Herzliya, Israel

#114103 Jan 8, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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So above there is denial that the Jews are the ancient Jews.
Denial that there was a continuous albeit small Jewish community continuously in places such as Jerusalem, Hebron, Tzfat, Gaza for thousands of years.
the large majority of Orthodox Jews are the biggest Zionists of them all. You are confusing them with the hareidi community of which some of the sects are anti-Zionist based on Religion not on Justification or Legalities.
when I started speaking to you, you made claims of objectivity, claims of saying things which support Israel, and looking for the truth, also not a Jew hater. Since then you have blamed the Jews for everything in the region, have no interest in the truth if it comes from a Pro-Israel person, you believe in the Jewish control conspiracy theory even though the facts point to otherwise, deny Modern day Jews are Jews, and more often than not post from Neo-Nazi and Antisemitic websites.
Yep, in other words , she is full of shit.
Uzi

Herzliya, Israel

#114105 Jan 8, 2014
Woody wrote:
The largest Dutch pension fund company, PGGM, has reportedly chosen to withdraw all its investments from the five largest Israeli banks, whose branches are involved in financing construction in the settlements in the West Bank.
Over the past few months the Dutch pension giant has informed some of Israel's top banks, such as Bank Hapoalim, Bank Leumi, Bank Mizrahi-Tefahot, the First International Bank of Israel and Israel Discount Bank, that their ties with the settlements, and/or companies involved in construction there, were an obstacle from the standpoint of international law, a source told Haaretz.
So?? See if I care , we are flooded with Chinese American $$$$ investments among other countries. So?????

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#114107 Jan 8, 2014
The state of Israel discriminates against me negatively, it deprives and neglects me, consigns me to the economic, social and political margins.... The state doesn’t show an interest in what I think or feel, or in what I am willing or able to contribute.... To my great regret, the Israeli Jews still have not internalized the significance of the far-reaching consequences of the brutal fact that the Palestinian Arabs within the borders of the state, and beyond, are the indigenous inhabitants of this land, and as such, their rights in this place are not subject to denial or appeal. The indigenous Palestinians of this land were not engaged as the temporary custodians of the land for hundreds of years until the Jews would return to it and push them aside.
(Zeidani, 2005:89–90)

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#114108 Jan 8, 2014
The Zionist movement was a colonial venture that began in Europe in the late 1800s with the goal of establishing a Jewish state in Pal¬estine. It was based on the premise that Palestine was a territory that belonged exclusively to the Jewish people due to their presence on the land during biblical times. The Zionist colonial project portrayed Palestine as a “land without a people, for a people without a land”(see Masalha, 1997).

Early Zionists viewed the Palestinian Arabs as a non-European, inferior “other”(Masalha, 1997). For these Zionists, the overwhelming number of Palestinian Arabs in the future Jewish state represented a significant obstacle to their quest to establish a sovereign state of their own.

A promi¬nent Zionist leader at the time, Israel Zangwill, wrote in 1920:
If Lord Shaftesbury was literally inexact in describing Pal¬estine as a country without a people, he was essentially correct, for there is no Arab people living in intimate fusion with the country, utilizing its resources and stamp¬ing it with characteristic impress; there is at best an Arab encampment.(quoted in Masalha, 1997:62)

Such pronouncements by leading Zionists promoted the notion of an empty territory—empty, as Masalha explains, not in the sense of actual absence of inhabitants, but rather of a “civilizational barren¬ness.” This notion of empty territory was then used to justify Zionist colonization and the delegitimization of the native population as a people belonging to that particular place (Masalha, 1997; Prior, 1999).

Making this fictional depiction of the country a reality required considerable effort from Zionist leaders, as at the time of the First Zionist Congress in 1897, the Palestinian Arabs, who constituted 95% of the population, owned and cultivated most of the country’s ara¬ble land. In contrast, Jews made up only 5% of the population and owned 1% of the land (Prior, 1999:190). In 1930, Britain’s High Com¬missioner for Palestine, John Chancellor, recommended the total sus¬pension of Jewish immigration and land purchases to protect Arab agriculture, as all the arable land—then in possession of the indig¬enous Palestinians—could not be sold to Jews without creating a class of landless Arab cultivators (Masalha, 1992; Quigley, 1990:19). This was also true of the Naqab Desert in southern Palestine, which was inhabited and extensively cultivated by Bedouin Arabs, despite the popular Zionist imagery of the Jewish immigrants “making the desert bloom.” By the mid-1940s, the Naqab’s Bedouin Arab population was estimated at 65,000 to 95,000, organized into 95 semi-nomadic tribes (Falah, 1989; Marx, 1967; Yiftachel, 2003), while the Jewish popula¬tion in the Naqab consisted of 475 persons, living in four settlements (Prior, 1999).

To be continued

http://www.geog.bgu.ac.il/members/yiftachel/n...

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#114109 Jan 8, 2014
Given extensive Arab presence in Palestine and the need to maintain
European and international support for the Zionist project, the
leaders of the Zionist movement publicly claimed that the rights
of the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine would be protected and
upheld. At the same time, they strove to achieve a Jewish majority by
promoting Jewish immigration to Palestine and sought to bring about
the removal or transfer of Palestinian Arabs from the territory of the
future Zionist state.

This Zionist ideology of transforming the people, the land, and the
character of Palestine into a Jewish state has played, and continues to
play, a defining role in shaping Israeli policies and institutions. One
of the last remaining frontiers to be settled, according to the Zionist
ideology, is the Naqab Desert in southern Israel, which makes up 60%
of the total land area of Israel but contains only 8% of its population
(Yiftachel, 2006). The Bedouins continue to represent an anathema to
the Zionist colonization project.

To be continued tomorrow
Zioni

Israel

#114110 Jan 8, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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In relation to part of your quoted text:..
You state that Israel is one of the most democratic countries in the world that you know of so can you explain why they enforced a law in 1977 which prohibits proselytizing Jews.
...
The next year Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef, considered a political moderate.....
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2012/nea/2...
2012 Report on International Religious Freedom: Israel and The Occupied Territories

"Proselytizing is legal for all religious groups. A 1977 law prohibits offering a material benefit as an inducement to conversion. It is also illegal to convert a person under 18 years of age unless one parent is an adherent of the religious group seeking to convert the minor. Despite the legality of proselytism, the government generally discourages proselytizing and encourages the popular perception that it is illegal."

Ovadia Yosef was considered and extremist not a moderate, no? trying to portray extremists as moderates, interesting.
Your article makes a number of mistakes

I have seen Christians preaching a number of times, I believe Jews for Jesus have a harder time here.
Zioni

Israel

#114111 Jan 8, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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A: No of course not we are talking about 60 years ago and the Zionists knew exactly what they were doing. Some are still alive today and should be made accountable for their actions. It is impossible to bring to justice what people did who are already dead
The same with Germans because of Hitler or Venezulans because of hiding Nazis and working for chavez.
A: They are being brought to justice as we post
..... Germans have paid billions to apologize to Jews,....
A: Shows how smart we are in Australia and yet the politicians are still condemned by the likes of Zioni because some are against Israel.....
But you don't claim the same for Arab terrorists. You probably support the mass murderers being released in Israel.

Europe has given back a small fraction of what the Jews owned before the war.

Which Australian Politicians did I condemn? Was it the ones who falsly called Gaza a concentration camp???
Again putting words in my mouth. You can be against Israel but to spread lies and incitement is another matter. You seem unable to deferentiate between rational critism and antisemitism (double standard when it comes to Israel).

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#114112 Jan 8, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2012/nea/2...
2012 Report on International Religious Freedom: Israel and The Occupied Territories
"Proselytizing is legal for all religious groups. A 1977 law prohibits offering a material benefit as an inducement to conversion. It is also illegal to convert a person under 18 years of age unless one parent is an adherent of the religious group seeking to convert the minor. Despite the legality of proselytism, the government generally discourages proselytizing and encourages the popular perception that it is illegal."
Ovadia Yosef was considered and extremist not a moderate, no? trying to portray extremists as moderates, interesting.
Your article makes a number of mistakes
I have seen Christians preaching a number of times, I believe Jews for Jesus have a harder time here.
I have already posted what you are saying so why are you repeating it? An inducement can include the offering of a bible so I don't see your point. The law still exists and is a prime example of ethnocracy as opposed to a democracy. You always have an excuse it is either a self hating Jew, a minority sect Jew and now a you are claiming an extremistJew. The fact is they are all Jews so yes it is interesting.
Zioni

Israel

#114113 Jan 8, 2014
Sheilaa wrote:
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It fascinates you that people want justice for others regardless of their connection with Israel? That they are wasting their time in voicing their opinion?Because Israel knows it all?? How arrogant you truly are to think that Israel is not in the middle of and not part of the reason that the middle east is in the situation it is in. I suppose it is easier to bury one's head in the sand, blame the Arabs for everything, use Christians as partners when the reality is that you don't even allow proselytizing in your democratic Israel re Christianity and where you don't listen to the concerns of the everyday lay person.
You don't want justice. If you did you would call for the imprisonment of the majority of the Palestinian leaders for incitment, violence, terrorism, etc.

You clearly have a problem with Jews (who you deny are even Jewish) so don't try to play the justice card.

How stupid you truly are to believe Jews control the media, governments. Yes Israel is probably part of the reason that the middle east is in the situation it is in, but who said it would be any different without Israel, You on the other hand blame everything on Israel.

Another example of someone who should read their own posts. don't blame the Arabs for everything but you blame the Jews for everything.

proselytizing is not illegal as is quoted in the US report on Religious Freedom 2012 I posted above. A prime example of how you would buy into anything which attacks Israel without verifying it.

Sheilaa

Since: Jun 12

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#114114 Jan 8, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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But you don't claim the same for Arab terrorists. You probably support the mass murderers being released in Israel.
Europe has given back a small fraction of what the Jews owned before the war.
Which Australian Politicians did I condemn? Was it the ones who falsly called Gaza a concentration camp???
Again putting words in my mouth. You can be against Israel but to spread lies and incitement is another matter. You seem unable to deferentiate between rational critism and antisemitism (double standard when it comes to Israel).
No in fact I don't. The fact that Israel released them shows how desperate she is to try and provide an example of good will. She has failed in that respect and is stupid to have let out the mass murderers.

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