Blaming Israel for carnage

Full story: Fort Worth Star-Telegram

Most media outlets aren't providing news of Israel's barbaric air raids on Lebanon with fairness and integrity.
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Luis Ferreira

Portugal

#29 Jul 22, 2006
Halifax wrote:
Peace is not the absence of war. It is the absence of fear.
There should be only one question asked about Israel:
"Do you believe that Israel should continue to exist; if yes,
do you have conditions; if no, do you offer an alternative?"
If the answer is "Yes, but....", we can listen,and who knows,
learn something. If the answer is 'No and No' what can be done?
You don't want us there, so what should we do, disappear?
Either arabs and israelis are culpable for the situation: since 1948 until now.
Jewish people have the historical right to live and constitute the Israel state.
The problem started in the state foundation: civil war between populations or terrorist groups like Irgun (terrorism: threat of violence to generate fear, cause disruption, and ultimately, to bring about compliance with specific political, religious, ideological, and personal demands).
Ofirico

Israel

#30 Jul 22, 2006
Marc, I guess bombing innocent civilians ofIsrael is ok ?
Shelly-USA

AOL

#31 Jul 22, 2006
USMC Wife wrote:
<quoted text>
"Hezbollah killed 250 US Marines in beirut. Implicated in the attack on Khobar Towers, the USS Cole etc"
And when ALL this things were happening - along with Iran taking our American citicens hostage in 1979 - America did nothing! We didn't bomb anyone - we didn't go to war over it - Why? Because the "International Community" would have been upset. Why were they NOT upset when all these things were happening to OUR people - but they get upset when someone finnaly does something for stopping it!
Talk about a ONE SIDED view most of the world has.
Do you remember the murder of Marine Col. Rich Higgins in 1988? Hezbollah video taped his body hanging and the Arab world showed it on all their media outlets. It was a horrible sight.

This is the organization that Lebanon elected into their government, the one that the EU refuses to call a terrorist organization and Canada calls.."Social workers".

I am SO happy Israel is taking them on, and I wish we could join them in this fight. Eventually, we will, no doubt about it. Iran (Hezbollah) has been killing American's for years.

http://ojc.org/higgins/
Shelly-USA

AOL

#34 Jul 22, 2006
Marc Barret wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you ask? 40 yrs.
Because you don't seem very knowlegable about the Israeli/Arab world conflict. I was thinking youth had a lot to do with it. Apparently it is just biases.
USMC Wife

Chula Vista, CA

#35 Jul 22, 2006
Shelly-USA wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you remember the murder of Marine Col. Rich Higgins in 1988? Hezbollah video taped his body hanging and the Arab world showed it on all their media outlets. It was a horrible sight.
This is the organization that Lebanon elected into their government, the one that the EU refuses to call a terrorist organization and Canada calls.."Social workers".
I am SO happy Israel is taking them on, and I wish we could join them in this fight. Eventually, we will, no doubt about it. Iran (Hezbollah) has been killing American's for years.
http://ojc.org/higgins/
Yes! I remember - I remember a LOT of what this group has done and many other groups. I also remember nothing being done at the time because God forbid we "Upset" the Muslum community arround the world. Why is it that we are SO afraid of what the Muslum community thinks - but yet - The Muslum community could Give a rats ass about what we think and Justifys their actions rather then taking responsability for them! THAT is what makes ME sick!
USMC Wife

Chula Vista, CA

#37 Jul 22, 2006
Brown Eye wrote:
Israel needs to clean up they're own mess and stop dragging the US into this shit. Israel's army is on speed now the same way the Nazi's were in WW2. I'm not just saying this, I actually have a few friends in the Israel army who live in the US currently. The US should invade Israel while they are invading Lebanon. Then we could just blow up all those worthless countries in the middleeast.
Brown Eye? We have been in the middle of this shit since the early 70's and its NOT Isereals fault for that.
Shelly-USA

AOL

#38 Jul 22, 2006
The State Department, not the Defense Department, had the lead. That meant diplomacy, not military might. It meant no retribution, no retaliation, no rescue.

It is time that the issue of diplomatic niceties be revisited and policy revised for the protection of those who are sworn to protect our country and our way of life.
The Code of Conduct should be a contract binding on both
sides. Just as our fighting men and women vow to keep faith in the United States of America, so too should the nation keep faith with and stand by them.

Let's stand with Lt Col Robin Higgins and see to it that diplomatic protocols are never again put ahead of the welfare of those who defend our freedom...and let's do it now...before we lose everything worth defending.

Go Israel~!
Ralph

Forest Hills, NY

#39 Jul 22, 2006
Marc Barret wrote:
<quoted text>You have to realize that the majority of the world does not agree with your latest statement and you have isolated yourselves at the cost of future waves of terror ....now you will have to contend with the relatives and people of lebanon as your new enemies ....the list grows larger.....Negotiation must take place...otherwise you are no better.
You are wrong, Marc. Most of the world blames Hezbollah, and if they do not say it outright, they are glad that Israel has reacted the way she has. Talk about lists, let's lalk about the list of all innocent civilians all over the world killed in the name of islam, where groups including Hamas, Al Quaeda, and Hezbollah take responsibility and boast of their feats. And remember, so many of the Lebanese who have been killed or injured, attended Hezbollah rallies, encouraged them, and allowed them to store weapons in their homes, schools,and religious buildings. They buttered their bread, now they are eating it.
Beowolf

Roseville, MI

#40 Jul 22, 2006
I've had enough of the whole thing regardless of who is right or wrong. This is the holy land for all involved so let's try to be holy? How about it? This is the center of the storm for the whole world instead of being the center of peace.
ean

Troisdorf, Germany

#41 Jul 22, 2006
Marc Barret wrote:
<quoted text>You have to realize that the majority of the world does not agree with your latest statement and you have isolated yourselves at the cost of future waves of terror ....now you will have to contend with the relatives and people of lebanon as your new enemies ....the list grows larger.....Negotiation must take place...otherwise you are no better.
it is not that they dont agree with my view, just last week hassan nasralla went on TV and said he intends to destroy the state of israel. it is just that most of the world would like to believe that this is just talk and that once everything cools down, hezbollah will disarm itself and fade into the quiet public. this is not true - when has a military power with an idealogy of destruction ever said "okay, now that that's done, ill just throw all my ammunition into a big blazing fire and go play tennis"?
Shelly-USA

AOL

#42 Jul 22, 2006
USMC Wife wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes! I remember - I remember a LOT of what this group has done and many other groups. I also remember nothing being done at the time because God forbid we "Upset" the Muslum community arround the world. Why is it that we are SO afraid of what the Muslum community thinks - but yet - The Muslum community could Give a rats ass about what we think and Justifys their actions rather then taking responsability for them! THAT is what makes ME sick!
It's bad that our country has lost sight of how dangerous Hezbollah is after 911.

I agree, it was maddening that we couldn't strike back and the only solution for Reagan was to move our Marines out of Beruit. I will never forgive him for that. May he rest in Peace.
Shelly-USA

AOL

#43 Jul 22, 2006
Marc Barret wrote:
<quoted text>C'mon now they actually asked fr negotiation...Irael answered by killing everybody ...just great
Negotiations? LOL

What's there to say to this, other than you have not been paying attention for the past 60 years.
Ralph

Forest Hills, NY

#44 Jul 22, 2006
Beowolf wrote:
I've had enough of the whole thing regardless of who is right or wrong. This is the holy land for all involved so let's try to be holy? How about it? This is the center of the storm for the whole world instead of being the center of peace.
You want the land to be holy and peaceful? Simple. Become a moslem because groups such as Al Quaieda, Hamas, and Hezbollah want only islam to be worshipped in the world. Those who do not want to convert are killed; that's their idea.
Shelly-USA

AOL

#45 Jul 22, 2006
Marc Barret wrote:
<quoted text>That will be its eventual downfall as Americans are getting fed up too and after the U.S. what friends do they have?.....
No we are not. Our Congress made a resolution supporting Israel.

America is getting fed up with Canada's appeasement of Terrorists and not paying for their national security that the USA provides.
Luis Ferreira

Portugal

#46 Jul 22, 2006
Shelly-USA wrote:
The State Department, not the Defense Department, had the lead. That meant diplomacy, not military might. It meant no retribution, no retaliation, no rescue.
It is time that the issue of diplomatic niceties be revisited and policy revised for the protection of those who are sworn to protect our country and our way of life.
The Code of Conduct should be a contract binding on both
sides. Just as our fighting men and women vow to keep faith in the United States of America, so too should the nation keep faith with and stand by them.
Let's stand with Lt Col Robin Higgins and see to it that diplomatic protocols are never again put ahead of the welfare of those who defend our freedom...and let's do it now...before we lose everything worth defending.
Go Israel~!
This is the essence of War: retribute violence with more violence.
To the abyss...
Luis Ferreira

Portugal

#48 Jul 22, 2006
And Shelly, I am a ex-soldier, I had been in Portuguese Army Militar Academy... until started hating war more than anything.
Lowell

Phoenix, AZ

#49 Jul 22, 2006
Marc Barret wrote:
Ean, good question......first off Israel must win the hearts and minds of the world and not just the blind mutual relation the U.S. and its jewish lobby have......problem is , increasingly the rest of the world is seeing Israel as the problem for which is not deserved...this latest stupid move will ensure Israel....future waves of terrorism for years to come.....Israel should have negotiated for the release of the soldiers when it had a chance and for once , listen to some of the valid grievances of the Palestinians......otherwise the very thing Israel wants and deserves "security" is nothing but a pipe dream.
Hey Marc, glad to see your back from hiding under your desk. You never responded to my post on the other forums about the terrorists arrested in Toronto. To me it looks as if your skipping forums to find people who will actualy believe your retoric. Can you open up your history book and tell me why Israel was in Lebanon for 18 years before? Right, to stop the attacks from southern Lebanon on Israeli citizens. Now, here's an easier one, why is Israel attacking southern Lebanon now? Right, to stop attacks from southern Lebanon on Israeli citizens. NEWS FLASH: The duty of ANY country is to protect it's citizens.
Have you ever once thought of a good reason that Iran/Syria would give money, weapons and manpower to Hezbollah and not the Lebonese army? Can you give any reason at all why Iran/Syria supplied the PLO last time Israel occupied Lebanon? Do you realize that all the money Iran/Syria suppies to Lebanon goes directly too Hezbollah, not Lebonese citizens? Can you not see that Lebanon is being used as a puppet for Iran/Syria? Iran/Syria don't give a rats ass about Lebanon OR it's people. They have been using Lebanon as a proxy for it's fight against Israel for years, without being hurt in the process.
In my opinion,(this is what you can attack me on), the war should be with Iran/Syria. However, to fight a war with Hamas basicly inside your country, and Hezbollah at the north of it, to conduct a war elsewhere is plane foolish without first destroying the threat from within.
This is very a trying time for everyone. No one likes to see "innocents" killed. Lebanon has been used as a pawn in Iran/Syrias war with Israel long enough. It is time for someone to do something. Crushing Hezbollah is the first step. Makeing the Lebonese army stronger than Hezbollah is the second. I sincerly believe that there will be peace if Lebanon had disarmed Hezbollah before. Iran/Syria did not want a strong army in Lebanon only because they had no control over it.
The chances of those two soldiers being in either Iran or Syria now are practicaly a given.
Shelly-USA

AOL

#51 Jul 22, 2006
Luis Ferreira wrote:
And Shelly, I am a ex-soldier, I had been in Portuguese Army Militar Academy... until started hating war more than anything.
If you think I like war, you are wrong.
Luis Ferreira

Portugal

#52 Jul 22, 2006
Shelly-USA wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think I like war, you are wrong.
Educated people don't get involved in confrontation. War is a product of fear and a bunch of male teenagers trying to get some use of his hormones, coordinated and indouctrinated by elder people.
Luis Ferreira

Portugal

#53 Jul 22, 2006
Shelly-USA wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think I like war, you are wrong.
But I must agree that each nation or state must react accordingly to agression.

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