Two arrested in Holtsville home invasion case -

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Two men armed with a handgun and a rifle invaded a Holtsville home early Wednesday morning and demanded valuables, the Suffolk police said. Full Story
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ServingInGA

Auburn, AL

#181 Aug 28, 2007
Pete the Genius wrote:
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So basically, you are saying that you CAN'T refute ANY of my points with fact... but they "don't count" because - according to you - I am no longer "qualified" to comment.
Based on the assumption that, what? you have been appointed 'official' thread mediator or something?
I just reread your response. Again, not one piece of factual proof to back your end up. So, you just decided if you don't want to hear what I'm saying you'll declare the discussion "over"...?
Lastly, I just spent 2 months straight in Suffolk Co. on business. So I believe I saw enough to draw some accurate conclusions on the changes that are occurring on LI.
So, if you consider the discussion over, then I only have one thing left for you to read:
"Bu-Bye!!!"
Hey there BBB, allow me to respond to some of your generalizations regarding my neighborhood that I'm sure you've never been in.

First of all, I took leave a couple of weeks ago and walked all around my neighborhood. I walked right past the house where this invasion took place. You'd never know anything was "going down" there. The streets are clean, properties kept up well enough and no punks hanging around on corners. As a self-proclaimed LIer, you should know better than to think that just because of one incident, the whole town is bad. Holtsville has grown a lot just since I've been in high school. It's got TONS of neighborhoods. My old one happens to still be good. Also, when people such as me say "middle class white neighborhood" that doesn't mean that there aren't other ethnic groups represented there. Sure there are hispanics and some black families, but the overwhelming majority of the place is still white. WHO CARES?! It's not "the hood" or "the ghetto" like you seem to be alluding to. Spare us the "Long Island sucks" undertones. I'm a LIer but being in the military I've seen a great deal of this country. Every place I've been (and I mean EVERY place!) experiences similar things to LI. LI is simply no worse. Everything is subjective. Enough with the bashing.
BBB

Woods Cross, UT

#182 Aug 28, 2007
Get A Life wrote:
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You spent 2 months here on business? Oh my god, and you survived? What's the matter no work where you live? You'll probably respond that SLC has the lowest unemployment rate in the world. Everyone is working the perfect job and they smile all day long. The nice thing about the internet is you can say anything about yourself. Right, Pete the Genius? With all the truck stops between SLC and Suffolk county you couldn't find work closer to home? Looks like your plan has a serious flaw. Most LI housholds may need both parents to work (as you have brilliantly observed in other posts) But I would guess that most of them don't have to leave the state for months at a time.
Just when I thought you could not stick your foot any further into your own mouth you prove me wrong...!

First off, when I moved to SLC it was the result of a job transfer, from a NY company that also had a location in SLC. I worked for them 3 years in SLC before I found a better Company to work for; that - by coincidence - has plants on LI and in Utah (just outside SLC)... and plants in PA, CA, one in France and 2 in Italy. There was a need for someone in my position to complete an assignment in both the PA and LI plants. Since I still have relatives on LI, I chose the LI assignment - which lasted 2 months...

Capice?

As far as "no work where you live?" you need to watch msnbc or bloomberg more often... UT unemployment rate is 2.1 %- they are begging for good workers as there is more work than the population can sustain. I often go on recruiting trips all over the West just to find the right people... We get A LOT of people in from CA - A LOT.

And if you had a better job than cab driver (my guess for YOU) you might realize that some professional people HAVE to travel in the course of business... who do you think fills up all those airline flights out of JFK and LaGuardia (or even MacArthur)?

And YES, my new position pays about 30% than my old job - even with the much vaunted "NY salary" that transferred with me... that's another myth; "Jobs pay more in NY than elsewhere..." Well, maybe not a "myth", but certainly not true all the time, either. In fact, more often untrue for decent, professional jobs (I have no idea how much some shmo stacking pallets in a factory gets here vs. NY...)

Interesting how you predict what I'll post - if you want info about the SLC unemployment rate or how well jobs pay here compared to NY metro area - just look it up. 30 seconds on "Google". Don't take my word for it!

But you won't do that... you'll just deflect the thread into a different direction and avoid facing the facts that I have presented.

And that's a real problem for you, isn't it? Because whether you agree with anything I have written or not, at least I am backing up my OPINIONS with FACTS. Easily verifiable FACTS.

And niether you, nor anyone else here, has called me to task on even one fact I have posted - because you can't dispute facts... only opinions.
BBB

Woods Cross, UT

#183 Aug 28, 2007
ServingInGA wrote:
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Hey there BBB, allow me to respond to some of your generalizations regarding my neighborhood that I'm sure you've never been in.
First of all, I took leave a couple of weeks ago and walked all around my neighborhood. I walked right past the house where this invasion took place. You'd never know anything was "going down" there. The streets are clean, properties kept up well enough and no punks hanging around on corners. As a self-proclaimed LIer, you should know better than to think that just because of one incident, the whole town is bad. Holtsville has grown a lot just since I've been in high school. It's got TONS of neighborhoods. My old one happens to still be good. Also, when people such as me say "middle class white neighborhood" that doesn't mean that there aren't other ethnic groups represented there. Sure there are hispanics and some black families, but the overwhelming majority of the place is still white. WHO CARES?! It's not "the hood" or "the ghetto" like you seem to be alluding to. Spare us the "Long Island sucks" undertones. I'm a LIer but being in the military I've seen a great deal of this country. Every place I've been (and I mean EVERY place!) experiences similar things to LI. LI is simply no worse. Everything is subjective. Enough with the bashing.
First of all, it's not "bashing"...

What it is, is simply me posting an opinion waaaaay back in this thread on how I feel LI has changed, and not for the better...

And then getting clobbered by a few goons here who saw a Utah IP address and decided there was "easy pickins" here. And the ONLY reason it lasted longer than 1 or 2 posts is because - MY BEING A FORMER HOMEOWNER ON LI AND BORN AND RAISED THERE - I have just as much NY in me as anybody and I don't take crap from anyone, either. So, instead of turning tail and running I stood my ground. Which surprised alot of people, I'm sure.

And now we get "latecomers" like you who see the IP and are doing the same thing. Allow me to set you straight:

1) As far as having "never been to Holtsville", exactly where have I never been? The zoo / farm \ pool off Buckley? The IRS on Waverly? Woodside Ave? The 2 Delis on the corners of Blue Point and Waverly? Down Patchogue / Holbrook Rd? The condos along Greenbelt Pkwy off Niccolls? Where is it I haven't been?

I lived on Long Island for almost 40 years and have only been 'gone' the last 5... I know MUCH more about it than you because I am probably 20 years older than you, and owned a home and raised a family there - things you most likely have not done yet...in fact, you HAVE NO CLUE what LI was like in the 60s / 70s / 80s because you probably weren't even born yet.

And I never said Holtsville was "bad" or a "ghetto". I only said that there are alot of undesirables moving into MANY LI towns, and people don't realize it as often as in the past because in general people are too busy working (often both parents work and / or 2 jobs) that they don't talk much to their neighbors anymore or notice things going on like they used to... and they somehow think the expense of Long Island is some kind of "buffer" against it happening... just a statement of facts, not a "bash" of anybody...

Lastly, while "every place experiences these things" you should know better because it seems to be magnified both in intensity of negative changes and how fast it is happening on LI; plus, if you ever get the chance to own a home there then you will really see how some of this stuff "hits home" when you have to bust your a$$ just to stay afloat and you watch some of your favorite places turn to sh-*-t and wonder how the hell it happens...
BBB

Woods Cross, UT

#184 Aug 28, 2007
lol wrote:
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You make some good points. What often happens is that people leave LI and find out they cannot return because they are priced out. They then spend their time trying to tell everyone here how much better off they are. Sad.
Explain to me just how someone gets "priced out"...?

Especially when the vast majority who leave do it for financial reasons (young couples who simply can't afford to buy a house on LI; or who don't want to wait 10 - 15 years paying high rents while trying to save up a big enough down payment, for example... retirees who don't want to piss away their life savings paying 10K + a year in property taxes on a home they finished paying for decades ago...)

What makes you think there are that many people (period!) who left and "try to come back" in the first place?

5 years ago I used to hear from all my friends who left and said they were much better off; I used tothink like you - they were just "jealous" or they "couldn't afford to come back", e-t-c...

Now that I have lived that experience I can honestly tell you most don't WANT "to come back" because why would someone want to go from working only one job, being able to afford a nice home, better quality of life, having some extra cash every month because you are not "taxed out the whazoo"... back to struggling and working multiple jobs, or having the stay-at-home mom going back to work - just for a place to live and to pay the tax and utility bills?

It just isn't worth it. THAT'S why most people never "come back"...

If you think they "can't afford to" you are deluding yourself.
BBB

Woods Cross, UT

#185 Aug 28, 2007
Kevin wrote:
Get A Life, you sound like the captain of a ship in peril. While Long Island still retains a lot of its wonderful features, over the years there has been a significant change in the quality of life. With the increase in gang activity, the spread of urban problems into suburbia, the ever present road construction and traffic that grows worse by the day, Long Island is losing some of its charm.
There is a reason why people are leaving the region in droves...actually there are quite a few reasons. If Long Island still has all of its luster in your eyes, that is great and I hope it stays that way. But some people see writing on the wall, and feel the need to leave before the ship sinks.
Prepare to get clobbered, dude. By people who insist "it happens everywhere" (not THIS bad and not THIS much) and that you "only left because you couldn't make it here..."

Some of them are in such a state of "denial" it is scary. One guy actually posted that LI is a BETTER place now because all those young, white, middle class folks leaving "in droves" have made room for "wealthier, higher net worth individuals to come here..."

I am hoping he wasn't talking about the invasion of all those "higher net worth" Salvadorean MS-13 members, and their "wealthier" Mexican day laborer amigos that now walk the streets in many LI towns.
Kevin

AOL

#186 Aug 29, 2007
We just left a month ago BBB, and I can honestly say I do not miss it. Not because of the novelty of moving away from our roots, etc, we actually could not wait to leave LI. I understand why people love it, and for a long time i never thought i would leave....but after going through all the pros and cons for a couple of months....it made too much sense. Stay, and get a 50 year old house (with 50 year old problems), on a 1/4 or 1/3 acre with high taxes, or move to a place where I can keep the same job, and after working out all of the numbers, it works out to be roughly the same (no state income tax here), buying a brand new house with all the features we wanted and we chose, with taxes of about 1,500 per year....it was a simple decision.

And for the ones who are going to "clobber" me, they just don't know. And thats fine for them, i wish them well.
BBB

Woods Cross, UT

#187 Aug 29, 2007
Kevin wrote:
We just left a month ago BBB, and I can honestly say I do not miss it. Not because of the novelty of moving away from our roots, etc, we actually could not wait to leave LI. I understand why people love it, and for a long time i never thought i would leave....but after going through all the pros and cons for a couple of months....it made too much sense. Stay, and get a 50 year old house (with 50 year old problems), on a 1/4 or 1/3 acre with high taxes, or move to a place where I can keep the same job, and after working out all of the numbers, it works out to be roughly the same (no state income tax here), buying a brand new house with all the features we wanted and we chose, with taxes of about 1,500 per year....it was a simple decision.
And for the ones who are going to "clobber" me, they just don't know. And thats fine for them, i wish them well.
The funniest (most ironic?) part for me is these guys who accuse me of "bashing" or being "one-sided" are the ones who have NEVER lived anywhere else; and therefore have NO alternative life experience other than living on LI - yet they tell me I don't know "both sides" of the story...?

THEY are actually the ones living in "blissful ignorance / denial", NOT ME. THEY are the ones who "don't know any better", NOT ME.

They should try finding someone who owned a home or lived on LI for any good length of time / then moved away / THEN moved BACK - because they found Long Islands housing prices, tax rates, utility rates, demographic changes, road conditions, employment opportunities, school conditions, social environment, child raising environment, crime rate, and quality of life was "better" than wherever they had moved to...

But don't hold your breath waiting for anybody to fit that description.
FoSkeezy

Mastic, NY

#188 Aug 31, 2007
Burn them. Publicly.
canttellya

Riverhead, NY

#189 Dec 15, 2008
these two kids r my friendss..they arent the type to do something like this

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