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Store owner charged in sale of fake Gibson guitars -

There are 46 comments on the Newsday story from Sep 19, 2007, titled Store owner charged in sale of fake Gibson guitars -. In it, Newsday reports that:

For guitar aficionados, the Gibson Les Paul is one-of-a-kind: the classic solid-body electric with a warm, liquid sound popular with everyone from heavy-metal shredders to modern jazz players.

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Bill

Sherwood, AR

#27 Jun 30, 2010
Had an interesting discussion recently on this topic with a very good friend of mine.
A very good, very experienced, very trustworthy luthier told me recently that he understood that around 2006-2007 time Gibson had hired a manufacturing company in China to do the guitar and neck routing, inlays, fretting, paint, etc... Ship them to the Nashville factory where the electronics hardware and fretboard leveling (plek'ed).
He told me the story of a customer bringing in a LP Standard Goldtop for a setup, and upon discovering that the fretboard had never been plek'ed assumed that that guitar had slipped through QC and recommended that the customer contact Gibson. The customer then informed him of the guiar's origin and he could not believe it. The customer had replaced all the electronics (Gibson pickups are made in the USA for sure) themselves, and his words were "I have been setting up guitars for 27 years and had the fretboard have been level, I never would have known!" He wrote down the website and seller for himself which he gave to me.
I am 49 years old and have been playing guitar since I was 15 and LP's have always been my choice. So needless to say, I have quite a collection. I ordered one of these LP GoldTops, had the fretboard leveled by his competition, replaced the electronics myself, and took it in to him. He set it up, gave it back to me and still to this day he doesn't know it was a fake!
Anyway, from personal experience, I can tell you that there is something fishy going on at Gibson and if you know the right dealer you can get a LP that looks, plays, and sounds just like the real thing!
lots o pauls

Seymour, CT

#28 Jul 5, 2010
I just picked up 7 sweet guitars from china. Tradetang dot com seller was allguitar
tery spears

United States

#29 Sep 18, 2010
I recently saw a guitar hanging in a guitar shop in CA and it was labeled "fake Gibson". Tried it played and sounded great. The neck was cracked and spliced in a couple spots, but who hasn't been banged up a bit. Sorry I didn't buy it. Hey, where is the fake site?
racefanrob

Danville, KY

#31 Sep 18, 2010
I own a Les Paul ! I have been to the Gibson Guitar Works in Nashville many times. It is sooooo cool to watch them make guitars there on sight. They have so many outstanding guitars in their store. I love the Dove. They built guitars I didn't know existed. They have a Willie Dixon model accoustic guitar. But, the bottom line is, they are American Made ! I do have an old 1959 Framus archtop-archback/accoustic electric. As well as a 1964 Harmony electric I call my Dimestore Guitar. I had a Martin but sold it back to it's original owner after owning it for twenty-six years. I also have a 1965 Fender Super Six Reverb Amp.
But back to fake Gibsons.
We don't need to be supporting those rich corperations who are taking our U.S. jobs overseas for cheap labor. Then they bring their products back here expecting us to buy them. Mostly clothing, made in India and China. Wal Mart is full of this crap. We (my Family) buy used cloths at Goodwill, Salvation Army, yard sales. Unless of course it says Made in U.S.A. on it. I'm done making the rich richer while they withhold jobs from the American Workforce. And don't expect them to create any jobs even if they get an extention on the Rich Taxcuts. I say, contact your congressmen and tell them to vote against an extention for the Rich Taxcuts. That's what has created most of this debt and deficit in our Nation to begin with. While the rich get richer, the poor go hungry, begging for work. Tell your Congressman to vote for the Small Business Bills too, to create jobs of any kind. This is our only hope. The Industrial Giants have taken all their work to our competition, overseas.

Buy used, demand Made in the U.S.A.!
Jack

Poway, CA

#32 Oct 8, 2010
I recently bought TWO fake gibsons from maka ivy international. They are utterly flawless, sound AMAZING, and the customer service was perfect. I replaced the pickups in the first guitar I bought, but only because I wanted to put p90's in it. Honestly, it has no signs of being a fake gibson, but I would never try to pass it off as real. it was a great buy for 330, and the second guitar was just as good for 280.
Mammoth

Tampa, FL

#33 Dec 27, 2010
Maka Ivy is a great company. I just purchased a vintage white Gibson Les Paul Custom replica for $248.42 shipped to my door. New pickups, setup and it's great! If Gibson gets mad about these chinese companies building replicas then they shouldn't price there guitars as high as they do. The cheapest Gibson I've ever purchased was a SG worn brown finish for $650.00 w/ a blemish. Really? your talking $3,000.00 for a Gibson Les Paul Custom. I've just saved $2751.52 and unless your a Gibson aficionado you cant tell the difference in sound or appearance.
Nick

Jersey City, NJ

#34 Jan 10, 2011
I bought a fake Chinese Les Paul last month for 390.00 including shipping and a hard case. I changed out the pickups, bridge and tuning machines and it is unbelievable. Looks sounds and feels like a real Les Paul. I know becuse I used to own a real one. Gibsons and Fenders are overpriced pieces of wood. Screw them.

“pffft”

Since: Jan 11

blue point.

#35 Mar 14, 2011
This is why I love my ibanez:) Omar Rodriquez Lopez model.
Nickyboy

New York, NY

#36 Apr 22, 2011
I have a fake Les Paul standard from Ioffer that is killer. I replaced the electronics and all of the hardware and it looks and sounds amazing. Screw Gibson and all these other companies charging ridiculous prices for their guitars.
Strings

Sunnyvale, CA

#37 Sep 20, 2011
better than real wrote:
I recently bought one of these "fake" gibson's and it looks like these manufacturers are reading the articles too.
I found the website and paid a total of $290.00 u.s. dollars, that included shipping. I new it was a gamble when I sent the money, assuming I'd get a guitar that would sit nicely on my desk. Oh well, lesson learned right?
So this thing shows up about 3 weeks later, and I truly hate to admit it.... It's better than the "real thing".
I took it down to a local music store, 1; to compare and 2; to let them know that these things are out there so don't take one in on trade.
Here's the comparison: The fake had better inlay work, better binding work, finish was flawless, and was $2300 cheaper than the american version.
So I take it home and plug it in... pickups suck, wiring sucks, etc. So I put $200.00 worth of electronics in it and shazam! better than the real thing.
Do note that I don't condone selling a fake as a real thing. Besides being illegal it is very un-ethical. I know what I bought, and I'm o.k with it. Sure this doesn't help out Gibson, Fender, PRS, etc. However over the last 15 years or so guitars moved from being musical instruments to being collectors items.$2600 for a les paul custom (by the way don't let the word "custom" fool you... they pump out tens of thousands of those babies every year) Out of space.
well I for one know you are sadly mistaken for so easily falling for a good paint job on a made in china Fibson guitar, I have a Fibson and a 89' USA Gibson Les Paul Custom. Back when I got my Chinese made Les Paul ( Gibson counterfeit) I was disappointed with the metric hardware and how it is so thin and made of some pot metel (inferior to USA Gibson materials)and even worse than Epiphone parts. the fretboard is cheap grade rosewood epoxy glued to the thinner undersized neck (compared to my Gibson)and the guitar falls out of tune more easily than a Gibson. The "Pearl block" fretboard inlays on the fake are actually celluloid and not pearl at all. China will also laquer decals of woods, and the "Gibson" and diamond custom inlay on the pegboard is actually laser decals and not pearl. The pot cavities and pickup cavities on the fake were sloppily installed and routed also painted black to disguise the fact they are made out of laminent board. Also I didn't like the cheap small volume and tone pots or the switch. People that havn't played a Gibson are the ones that can't tell the difference in sound. To me the difference was tremendous. I had more distastes with my fake, but I won't bore you so what did I do?......... I replaced all vol. and tone pots, switch and pickups with new USA parts. pulled every peice of hardware off the fake body and replaced with Gibson (tailpeice stopbar and posts, bridge and posts, cheap pickguard to Gibson, made custom coverplates suited for USA Gibson, new vintage 1970's Gibson guitar tuners, new jack and plate, new strap knobs, pulled the crappy thin dry rosewood fretboard and installed a Gibson truss rod and nut in the neck, replaced fingerboard with new ebony fingerboard I personally pearl block inlayed, fretted, and bound with the traditional Gibson "crowned" fret with the new binding and a router. Cut down undersized fake headstock wood blocked routed Gibson spec size and laguered the genuine pearl Gibson headstock veneer I got. Then I replaced stupid fake humbuckers that had "Gibson USA" scratched into the back of them but were clearly wired with cheap plastic jacketed thin wire and fell apart when covers are removed. now it has Gibson 57 C and 57 C Plus pickups and a great hardshell USA case. I spent alot of time and over $1000 (after the $290 for the guitar and it sounds really good now. But THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NO MATCH TO A REAL GIBSON, they're not even close to what you get when you buy a Gibson if you have a professional ear and can look inside your cheap "Fibson" guitar as they arrive to your door.
taz

Muncie, IN

#38 Nov 19, 2011
Their is actually a guy on craigslist in richmond, indiana trying to resale a fake Tony IommI for $300.00. HE CALLS IT A CHINESE GIBSON ON THE POST. What an Idiot. I contacted craigslist about this three days ago when I checked an hour ago the post was still up.
Domino

Great Neck, NY

#39 Nov 19, 2011
Like the Pakistani guy, I would love to know where the store with the fake Gibsons is. I'm a lobbyist and private investigator for the guitar industry. I got lost in Hauppauge and need your help.
Rattledog

Brisbane, Australia

#40 Dec 26, 2011
I have been offered a guitar that looks like the real 335 but it is from Maka Ivy. he calls me friend and that scares me. JCV said "avoid Maka International" please explain why" as I am worried about sending the $300 over but I like the pics of the guitar they propose to send me.

Lisa from says that she bought several from Maka Ivy and they were good. Lisa please explain more.
Larry

Floyd, VA

#43 Mar 7, 2012
I also bought a couple of les Paul fakes, I think they are better looking then any guitar that Gibson has ever made, all of the inlay in these guitars would cost you over 10,000 if you bought from Gibson, Also pickups sound pretty good, I paid around 500.00 a peace for the guitars. That is far better from what you would pay for a real Gibson, Gibson prices are crazy any way, I just can't afford to pay 3000 for a guitar that is crazy, Yea if your rich cool spend that money, but if your not you can't go wrong with a fake, just put some Gibson picups in it, my wiring looks a little better then Gibson. those china men sure can make a great guitar.
Gareth

South Africa

#44 Apr 10, 2012
better than real wrote:
I recently bought one of these "fake" gibson's and it looks like these manufacturers are reading the articles too.
I found the website and paid a total of $290.00 u.s. dollars, that included shipping. I new it was a gamble when I sent the money, assuming I'd get a guitar that would sit nicely on my desk. Oh well, lesson learned right?
So this thing shows up about 3 weeks later, and I truly hate to admit it.... It's better than the "real thing".
I took it down to a local music store, 1; to compare and 2; to let them know that these things are out there so don't take one in on trade.
Here's the comparison: The fake had better inlay work, better binding work, finish was flawless, and was $2300 cheaper than the american version.
So I take it home and plug it in... pickups suck, wiring sucks, etc. So I put $200.00 worth of electronics in it and shazam! better than the real thing.
Do note that I don't condone selling a fake as a real thing. Besides being illegal it is very un-ethical. I know what I bought, and I'm o.k with it. Sure this doesn't help out Gibson, Fender, PRS, etc. However over the last 15 years or so guitars moved from being musical instruments to being collectors items.$2600 for a les paul custom (by the way don't let the word "custom" fool you... they pump out tens of thousands of those babies every year) Out of space.
Obviously this guy has never had the REAL thing. I own 6 REAL Gibsons and I can tell you there is a world of diffrence, but then again to guys like you I guess jerking off is the same as the "real" thing.....
De Oppresso Liber

Westbury, NY

#45 Apr 10, 2012
America bought a fake President
Richard Simmons

Medford, NY

#46 Apr 10, 2012
I platy the skin flute.

Quite well I might add.
Dave

Mission Viejo, CA

#47 Jun 2, 2013
1976 Gibson V man wrote:
... and then use the gold hardware to put on my REAL 1976 Gibson that I bought when I was 18.
No you won't. Chinese Guitars are metric--Epiphone spec. The hardware won't fit your legit Gibson.
Mike Tyson

Danielson, CT

#49 Jun 5, 2013
Richard Simmons wrote:
I platy the skin flute.
Quite well I might add.
You do not. You gag like a schoolgirl and then your mascara runs. Some guys like that look but I just think you are a wimp. Go find a Chinese houseboy cuz that's all you can handle chump.
reefpix

Mossman, Australia

#50 Jun 23, 2013
The DG 335 copies are a great guitar for the money. The pickup's are good but can be replaced with originals and it worth doing because of poor electrical work. But now people are selling the DG 335 for US $ 8000 plus and Gibson wont make them again it is a good option. They feel and sound awesome !!

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