What if they could talk?

[Get outta my state]

Valigator wrote:

Last year this topic came up and I did a little research on Broward County's commission spending:
Commissioner Eggleston was preparing to go to Brazil to "foster" relations with the South Americans. He petitioned almost four thousand for the plane fair. Meanwhile back in Broward, people were adopting sick animals from this shelter and then spending huge amounts of money because their newly adopted animals were infected with kennel cough. The shelter basically told them "too bad" when the public complained. I wrote the County Commissioners and told them I thought Eggleston would be better off spending his "Brazil money" on fostering relations with his constituents here in Broward, by buying the medicines needed to alleviate this problem...as you may have guessed, no response and here we are a year later with the same or worse problem. If anyone is up for a protest, I would say now is the time to do it..march in front of the Commissioners offices and make noise, sometimes thats what it takes, then throw the bums out at election time..

No one could have said it better! Dump the bums.

[Uh-Huh]

BCL wrote:

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I suppose that a person that goes around abusing rocks has some "issues" too, but that doesn't mean that the rocks have value and deserve to be taken care of by people.

Well, BCL, I'm going to say that while I respect your opinions regarding people versus animals (though I don't necessarily agree with them), I must say you cannot compare a living, breathing thing with a non-living, non-breathing thing. I'm sorry, but I don't recall hearing rocks cry out from being kicked or neglected. You miss my point: People that knowingly abuse animals have been scientifically proven to abuse people. Has nothing to do with putting animals over people. It has to do with, in my opinion, an alarming uptick in the disregard for basic compassion I'm seeing in a lot of people. It's frightening.

[uwe schroeder fdl manors]

Huh wrote:

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Ok, now, twice in your post you said you adopted your dog in Nov 2008. And of course, those of us that are actually working with a full deck know that Nov 2008 hasn't occurred yet. So, my question is, if you don't even know what month/year it is what should we think of the rest of your post? Eh? Too much of the vino tonight or what?

what kind of deck you work with is clearly shown in your ignorant response, cowardly hidden by a stupid screename. and thks for noticing my mistake, i might get a date wrong but at least my mind is not midevil. thanks for a such a constructive post, sure your life is equally supporting society. huh ???

[volunteer]

The animals at shelters ( all of them), were not born there. Put the blame where it belongs. The people that let their pets have litters. Before we can be no kill we have to be no birth.

[flasunshine]

TheDogTrainer wrote:

The person who quoted from Spay USA needs to go read this article;
http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealth...
Also, consider these points:
1) Who gives the government the right to interfere with my dogs, who, BTW, are all show dogs as well as working assistance dogs, with all health certifications, and tell me that I cannot breed them without paying them a huge sum of money(IE, interference with constitutional right to own property and make money)
2) Is the government going to compensate me for the $$$ I will loose if I am not allowed to breed my dogs?
3) Why should I be punished, when none of my dogs that I have bred in the past have ever been in a shelter(all are microchipped and tatoo'd), their owners are "required" by contract to do obedience training(or I confiscate the dog)
and I have first right of refusal(Dog has to come back to me, rather than dropped at a shelter). I keep track and meticulous records of my owners, btw, and do background checks on all buyers of my puppies.
I am really sorry that there are "idiots" out there breeding, but again, why should I be punished for their extreme stupidity.
Here is one stupid person:
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/02/hobby-do...
http://www.animalrightsblog.com/2008/02/04/he...
This guy should be put out of business.

If you're making so much money off of your dogs, then it shouldn't be a problem that you pay a $500 a year license fee to be a breeder. You can make that in the sale of one puppy. If you're truly a caring and resposible breeder, than you should understand what's trying to be done, and not have a problem with it.

[flasunshine]

The $500 a year license fee should go to helping the shelters. Not to pad some mayor or other athority's pocket either.

[flasunshine]

TheDogTrainer wrote:

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Ummmm...My GSD is a top bred German Import who is not only titled in breed in Germany, Denmark and the US, but also is Schutzhund Titled, will soon have a CD, and a RA.
And DOD(Department of Defense) uses 75% GSDs as do most PD's. Malionis can be very unpredictable, in that they can be extremely civil(IE, will bite handlers, innocent bystanders, etc...) Many departments are going back to GSDs, using alot of Czech dogs and east German Lines, as opposed to other lines of GSDs
And, again, why should I have pay to make money?
Do you have to pay to go to work at your job? Maybe police officers should have pay $500.00 per year to do their jobs. Or maybe teachers should have to pay $1000.00 per year to do their job.
If I am a responsible breeder(again, I have had one litter of puppies in the past 5 yrs, and that dog I was given when she was 4 weeks pregnant, so it was not my choice to breed her), then I am not mass producing dogs.
Actually the only reason that I bred is to produce dogs to meet my own needs(assistance dogs that are also for competition and conformation---I have MS and am 75% deaf in one ear and about 50% deaf in the other, and my dogs are trained to pull a wheelchair, do brace work, open heavy doors, alert to phone, alarms ect...)
Oh, and since that could be seen as "forced slavery" according to your definition, maybe all guide dog, hearing dog, seizure alert, mobility support dog users should be charged $500.00 per year to own and work with their dogs...
Oh, and while we are at it, Police, Military, Border Patrol, DEA, Search and Rescue, and all other civil units that utilize "forced slavery" should have to pay $500 per year to use each of their dogs....

Once again, you are missing the point. Not all service dogs MUST be purebred. There are many dogs in shelters that could be trained to do the same thing. Service dog owners would not be charged for having a service dog. The breeders, the ones who pump out more than 1 litter a year, no matter how many dogs they have, should be charged this fee. People make money tax free off of these puppies. Yes, we get charged to go to work, its called FEDERAL INCOME TAX, SOCIAL SECURITY, ETC! Sure, we get a portion of this back, but in the sale of one puppy, you could make the fee for the year.

You are obviously one of the few of us who dedicate time and money to helping homeless animals. You should be applauded for that. But you need to understand that you might not be the problem, the people you sell to might not be the problem, but there are other "breeders" out there that have 2 or 3 or more females, 1 or 2 studs, and just breed year round. Look in the newspapers, the flyer, etc. How many of those people do you think would be breeding if they had to be responsible about it? Putting an ad in the paper and flyer to get rid of the puppies they created because they didn't find homes for them before they were born? Disgusting. I wonder how many of them end up in shelters? How many purebred dogs end up in shelters? I've seen akc registered/registerable dogs in a few shelters, how many of those do you think came from an irresposible breeder?

[DKR]

Wooden Tooth wrote:

i feel sorry for the workers having to deal with those disgusting, abandoned animals. clearly we need to rethink the concept of "pet ownership" in america. it needs to be outlawed.

What...are you looking for someone to take you in as a pet instead?

What is your specific problem with pet ownership? If it's irresponsible pet owners, well, I get your point there. But outlawing pets is not the answer, legislating how to do it responsibly is.

It's a good thing you're not boss of the world. Your vision of how things are to be will never come to pass.

[DKR]

BCL wrote:

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Actually, studies have shown that in the wild, animals will kill their own ofspring in numbers that are 100 times the rate that humans kill their kids or eachother. The animals that we keep as pets have been have been bred to emulate human emotion and to appear as if they care -- dogs especially. They have been artificially selected to promote these behaviors over thousands of years. Pets are great, but on their own their lives have no value compared to human life. Anything else is just sentimentalism.

There is a place for sentimentalism. At least in most peoples' world.

[DKR]

BCL wrote:

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Hmmm ... Let's see... There is the that I do volunteering with the Cub Scouts -- many of my Scouts come from broken homes. Then there is the child that I support in Honduras through Catholic Charities, then there's the occasional volunteer work that I do at the local school and church. How much volunteer work do you do????

Well, at least you're walking your talk. Too few do.

As for me, I volunteer with Habitat for Humanity, The Humane Society of Broward County, The Second Harvest Food Bank, at my synagogue for various projects and other community clean-ups and events. So, BCL in Boca, you are not the only one who is walking their talk.

[DKR]

BCL wrote:

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I suppose that a person that goes around abusing rocks has some "issues" too, but that doesn't mean that the rocks have value and deserve to be taken care of by people.

You MUST be smarter than to seriously consider comparing pets or other animals, to rocks!?!? Puh-leeze.

It's obvious that you are not a pet lover. Not a problem. Continue to give to and care for those issues that concern you the most. But you have no right to criticize others who prefer to give their time and attention to their animal companions or other less-fortunate-animal-oriented charities. Heaven knows there's more than enough need to go around.

[DKR]

TheDogTrainer wrote:

The person who quoted from Spay USA needs to go read this article;
http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealth...
Also, consider these points:
1) Who gives the government the right to interfere with my dogs, who, BTW, are all show dogs as well as working assistance dogs, with all health certifications, and tell me that I cannot breed them without paying them a huge sum of money(IE, interference with constitutional right to own property and make money)
2) Is the government going to compensate me for the $$$ I will loose if I am not allowed to breed my dogs?
3) Why should I be punished, when none of my dogs that I have bred in the past have ever been in a shelter(all are microchipped and tatoo'd), their owners are "required" by contract to do obedience training(or I confiscate the dog)
and I have first right of refusal(Dog has to come back to me, rather than dropped at a shelter). I keep track and meticulous records of my owners, btw, and do background checks on all buyers of my puppies.
I am really sorry that there are "idiots" out there breeding, but again, why should I be punished for their extreme stupidity.
Here is one stupid person:
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/02/hobby-do...
http://www.animalrightsblog.com/2008/02/04/he...
This guy should be put out of business.

You sound like a responsible breeder, catering to a select group of people who are willing to pay top dollar for show quality dogs, and sell only to those who demonstrate to you that they are willing to be responsible dog owners. My parents always purchase their strictly-as-pets-and-never-to be-bred-only-to-be-loved German Shepards from breeders just like you. You serve an important client base, and are to be commended for your apparent care to providing quality pets to responsible people.

As an apparently responsible breeder, I can't see why you would object to paying a $500 fee to be licensed as such (we pay to license our pets, this should be a similar type of fee). Don't you agree that a $500 fee is a worthwhile investment to make sure you keep the backyard breeders illegal and out-of-business? I bet you would, especially if those funds were used to prosecute irresponsible breeders (and owners).

[DKR]

YOU REALLY HAVE NO CLUE wrote:

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REALLY ?? THEY CARE ?? THEY PUT DOWN JUST AS MANY ANIMALS AS ANIMAL CONTROL DOES. BROWARD COUNTY HUMANE SOCIETY IS A KILL FACILITY. THEY ARE NOT NO-KILL. MANY, MANY ANIMALS ARE PUT DOWN. THEY WILL TELL YOU IF YOU TURN IN YOUR PET TO THEM. LISTEN AND READ BETWEEN THE LINES NOW. " WE WILL EXAMINE THE ANIMAL AND IF WE FEEL IT IS ADOPTABLE IT WILL GO UP FOR ADOPTION". TRY GOING BACK IN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR "LOVED PET" A DAY LATER. MORE THAN LIKELY IT WAS PUT DOWN. IF YOUR PET IS OLDER, INJURED IN ANY WAY AT ALL - IT WILL BE PUT DOWN. AND IF THEY DO NOT DO IT THERE, THEY DRIVE OVER TO ANIMAL CONTROL 2 MILES AWAY ADN HAVE IT PUT DOWN THERE.

You may be technically right but your facts are skewed. First of all, there are no no-kill shelters in Broward County. Secondly, the HSBC adopts out all ALL healthy, adoptable pets. No facility can reasonably accept the liability of having someone adopt out a dog from their facility that later bites and hurts a family member. They routinely nurse injured pets back to health (if they can be helped) and I have personally seen many elderly pets up for adoption. Perhaps the dog you were seeking wasn't as healthy or adoptable as you believed it would have been.

[beacon]

TheDogTrainer wrote:

The person who quoted from Spay USA needs to go read this article;
http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealth...
Also, consider these points:
1) Who gives the government the right to interfere with my dogs, who, BTW, are all show dogs as well as working assistance dogs, with all health certifications, and tell me that I cannot breed them without paying them a huge sum of money(IE, interference with constitutional right to own property and make money)
2) Is the government going to compensate me for the $$$ I will loose if I am not allowed to breed my dogs?
3) Why should I be punished, when none of my dogs that I have bred in the past have ever been in a shelter(all are microchipped and tatoo'd), their owners are "required" by contract to do obedience training(or I confiscate the dog)
and I have first right of refusal(Dog has to come back to me, rather than dropped at a shelter). I keep track and meticulous records of my owners, btw, and do background checks on all buyers of my puppies.
I am really sorry that there are "idiots" out there breeding, but again, why should I be punished for their extreme stupidity.
Here is one stupid person:
http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2008/02/hobby-do...
http://www.animalrightsblog.com/2008/02/04/he...
This guy should be put out of business.

listen, the gov't steps in and regulates most things we do in our lives. these are reasonable steps to ensure that everyone gets to enjoy their freedom. it's sad that laws have to be enacted b/c some are not responsible, but this is the case with many things. if you have a legitimate business i believe it's a different story than just a pet owner.

i'm all for personal freedoms and gov't not pushing itself into my affairs, but the reality is that there is an overwhelming population of abandoned pets. as a civilized society i don't believe it's acceptable to be constantly rounding up starving, vicious, diseased animals. prevention is much more humane than putting them to sleep.

[Valigator]

flasunshine wrote:

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If you're making so much money off of your dogs, then it shouldn't be a problem that you pay a $500 a year license fee to be a breeder. You can make that in the sale of one puppy. If you're truly a caring and resposible breeder, than you should understand what's trying to be done, and not have a problem with it.

Whats the matter with you? Again someone wanting to take more money out of the mouths of the citizen, why wouldnt your first thought be? Stop the waste, let government clean their own house first before you wanna start drawing more blood (money) from your neighbors...typical democrat, throw money at it and it will all go away...its amazing how persons like yourself want to tax or license a problem....