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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Since: Aug 11

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#38846 Jul 30, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Question with a question.
So what is the answer?
How is the hospital going to know the status of a patient? Are they going to ask?
Tax payers are going to be assessed penalties but illegals obviously have no penalty.
You're mixing two different problems.

1. Inadequate healthcare for a segment of the legal population

2. Illegal Immigration and the cost to our society (healthcare, education, taxes, etc.)

Obamacare's scope is point 1 only.

For sure, illegal immigration needs to be dealt with, but it's not the job of the healthcare bill to do it. Only illegal immigration enforcement will solve that problem.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#38847 Jul 30, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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You're mixing two different problems.
1. Inadequate healthcare for a segment of the legal population
2. Illegal Immigration and the cost to our society (healthcare, education, taxes, etc.)
Obamacare's scope is point 1 only.
For sure, illegal immigration needs to be dealt with, but it's not the job of the healthcare bill to do it. Only illegal immigration enforcement will solve that problem.
rabbee: well the united states, is already the only social security system mexico has. and unless they live in texas or arizona, there already getting free health care, even before obama pretends to care for your health.

we actually invited them here, when we declared spanish as second language. and offering them free health care, is not about to stop them from coming over either.

and guess what, the same person offering them social security and free health care. is the same irresponsible person, who has done nothing to stop them from illegal entry. no doubt about it, G-D is really getting more pissed at this nation.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#38848 Jul 30, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
You're mixing two different problems.
1. Inadequate healthcare for a segment of the legal population
2. Illegal Immigration and the cost to our society (healthcare, education, taxes, etc.)
Obamacare's scope is point 1 only.
For sure, illegal immigration needs to be dealt with, but it's not the job of the healthcare bill to do it. Only illegal immigration enforcement will solve that problem.
rabbee: and so it is all, the same problem. since we have all really, pissed G-D off dramaticly. with G-D now beguinning the process, of dissasymbling our self destroying nation.

even the cancer plague, has risen from about 1 in 10,000 to about one in every four or five. don't sound like, medical health care progress to me. and free health antiG-D health care, is only going to make it worse.
Voluntarist

United States

#38849 Jul 30, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
You're mixing two different problems.
1. Inadequate healthcare for a segment of the legal population
2. Illegal Immigration and the cost to our society (healthcare, education, taxes, etc.)
Obamacare's scope is point 1 only.
For sure, illegal immigration needs to be dealt with, but it's not the job of the healthcare bill to do it. Only illegal immigration enforcement will solve that problem.
No i only made 1 point.

So what is to stop me from not paying for emergency care and remaining a non-tax payer just like an illegal?
Voluntarist

United States

#38850 Jul 30, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: and so it is all, the same problem. since we have all really, pissed G-D off dramaticly. with G-D now beguinning the process, of dissasymbling our self destroying nation.
even the cancer plague, has risen from about 1 in 10,000 to about one in every four or five. don't sound like, medical health care progress to me. and free health antiG-D health care, is only going to make it worse.
Good point, treament is much more profitable than curing and that isnt going to.change with the government takingover healthcare.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#38851 Jul 30, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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Good point, treament is much more profitable than curing and that isnt going to.change with the government takingover healthcare.
rabbee: it's the same old, family hero health care scam. where the devil that is responsible, for giving you, pestilence, plage and famine. ruses to your caring aid, with a treatment to keep his his vacation home in the bahamas.

why give to them the cure for the disease, when i can get richer treating thier simptoms of G-Dlessness? not like your going to hear a doctor say, man you should of believed in G-D before you got this.

Since: Aug 11

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#38852 Jul 30, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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No i only made 1 point.
So what is to stop me from not paying for emergency care and remaining a non-tax payer just like an illegal?
The same thing that stops you from walking out of an auto service station and not paying your bill. The hospital is required by law to serve you. They are not required by law from letting you get away with it for free.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#38853 Jul 30, 2012
what i hate about, the obama health care plan. is that it is idolitry, destined to give you all worse health.

want to know why, american health is going down the tubes? take a look at the antiG-D government, of your own choice. and my mother was wise, when she told me to never take candy from the best or the worst looking strangers.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#38854 Jul 30, 2012
leave it to the wicked and evil government, to find a way to tax your bad health for disbelief in G-D, that they gave to you.

Since: Aug 11

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#38855 Jul 30, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
what i hate about, the obama health care plan. is that it is idolitry, destined to give you all worse health.
want to know why, american health is going down the tubes? take a look at the antiG-D government, of your own choice. and my mother was wise, when she told me to never take candy from the best or the worst looking strangers.
The government shouldn't be anti-god any more than they should be pro-god. Would you rather we live in a theocracy?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#38856 Jul 30, 2012
now why would this, government against G-D. want any of you or your kids with G-D? when you are sooo much more, gulible without G-D.

Since: Aug 11

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#38857 Jul 30, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
now why would this, government against G-D. want any of you or your kids with G-D? when you are sooo much more, gulible without G-D.
Tell that to the sheeple.
Frijoles

Meriden, CT

#38858 Jul 30, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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No, this is what you said;
"the majority of the population
want it and have moved way ahead"
I remember the statistics when the bill was being voted on and it was upwards of 60% against it.
Just like the bail out was 90% opposed.
Is that what you call consent of the governed?
You just made the same mistake (second time) after I even corrected you the first time.

60% against OBAMACARE but if you parse the numbers they are not against health care....the majority of the population wants better health care.

By the way your stats on the bail out is wrong.
Frijoles

Meriden, CT

#38859 Jul 30, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
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The statement then is moot if there is no cap then that person still couldn't get insurance because it will not be affordable
A lot of might bes...

COme back to earth
Frijoles

Meriden, CT

#38860 Jul 30, 2012
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
No i only made 1 point.
So what is to stop me from not paying for emergency care and remaining a non-tax payer just like an illegal?
COR is correct

Nothing is stopping you from receiving free ER treatment.

If they come after you later to pay your bill, and put a lien on your house, I guess that will teach you a lesson about home ownership. If you prefer to skip town then thats your own business. But we are not discussing your bill paying habits, we are discussing (I thought) health care coverage.
Frijoles

Meriden, CT

#38861 Jul 30, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
You're mixing two different problems.
1. Inadequate healthcare for a segment of the legal population
2. Illegal Immigration and the cost to our society (healthcare, education, taxes, etc.)
Obamacare's scope is point 1 only.
For sure, illegal immigration needs to be dealt with, but it's not the job of the healthcare bill to do it. Only illegal immigration enforcement will solve that problem.
Yes, he morphed the topic into immigration, and before the day is out he will be talking about taxes and tyranny.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#38862 Jul 30, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Tell that to the sheeple.
rabbee: have been since 1994, but you really don't expect anyone to listen do you? especially since they have all, been brainwashed to not listen to G-D'S Son. not even the ones, who only say they are waiting for me are going to listen.

i mean look at all, the brainwashed prejudiced idolitry involved. the jews, are only waiting for a jew. the christians, are only waiting for a christian they named jesus. the muslems, are only waiting for a muslem iman or something. and the buddists, surely are not waiting for a non-budda. any more than the japanese, are waiting for a scotsman. and the agnostics and athiest, surly are not expecing me either. but nobody is waiting for adam and their grandmother again, just like the last time this same thing happened from G-D.

come on get, serious here. G-D has Adam put to death, and nobody knows what happens next in this story? i mean it's like if it really is from G-D, every body gets some kind of programmed attention deficet disorder.

i mean look a the record, after the plagues of egypt the multitude had already forgotten about G-D. they cross the sea, and escape the pharoah's soldiers. and they have already forgotten about G-D. and Moshe goes up the mountain, even before He gets to the top, they are already forgeting about G-D. they balk at crossing the river, cause they have already forgotten about G-D. and when they finally do cross the river, they beguin forgetting about G-D right away. and the most pathetic thing is, that no nation has done any better. in the rest of the world, that forgets about G-D even faster.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#38863 Jul 30, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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The government shouldn't be anti-god any more than they should be pro-god. Would you rather we live in a theocracy?
rabbee: well there are a lot of things, the constitution says the government should not be. but they all are, exactly what they souldn't be. and if you are not for G-D, what is left?

the constitution is about freedom of everyones right to their own religious beliefs. and not freedom, from G-D. the constitution merely states, you can't force anyone to become, a christian, jew, buddist, anti-christ, morman, catholic, protestant, agnostic, athiest, french, russian, japanese, or muslem. but now you can't even talk about G-D, in their antiG-D systems. and have even taken over the religious razing of our children.

but consider this, HEAVEN is not a democracy. and if the angels, don't like it. G-D can tell them, to go to earth. which is the same on earth today, as telling them to go to hell.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#38865 Jul 30, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
COR is correct
Nothing is stopping you from receiving free ER treatment.
If they come after you later to pay your bill, and put a lien on your house, I guess that will teach you a lesson about home ownership. If you prefer to skip town then thats your own business. But we are not discussing your bill paying habits, we are discussing (I thought) health care coverage.
rabbee: well i don't know, about conneticut. but because of what happened to my daughter, i essencially lived in intensive care for about two years. and my wife was at the hospital, even more than i. and i watched foriegn nationals, get their services for free. and while i had to pay, 1.3 million. eventually i had to sell, my business to pay it off.
Voluntarist

United States

#38866 Jul 30, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
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The same thing that stops you from walking out of an auto service station and not paying your bill. The hospital is required by law to serve you. They are not required by law from letting you get away with it for free.
No i wouldnt be able to retrieve my car or i would be charged with theft of services.

So i can walk into the hospital and day that.im juan perez and receive services.

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