Green arrow gives U-turn right of way over drivers turning righ...

Q I'm waiting for a left-turn arrow to make a U-turn. Drivers on the intersecting street can turn right on red. Full Story
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observer

Pompano Beach, FL

#1 Jan 20, 2008
In reference to the first question about making a U-turn on a left arrow, you must be sure that the intersecting traffice doesn't have a green arrow allowing them to turn right, as most lights in South Florida do. If this is the case, the person who is on the intersecting street, and has a green arrow to turn right, has the right of way.
Rodak

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#2 Jan 20, 2008
observer wrote:
In reference to the first question about making a U-turn on a left arrow, you must be sure that the intersecting traffice doesn't have a green arrow allowing them to turn right, as most lights in South Florida do. If this is the case, the person who is on the intersecting street, and has a green arrow to turn right, has the right of way.
I see very few of these "right turn green arrow" lights in Broward. Anyway, this would be an error in programming the lights to have two people in a position to hit each other each having a green arrow, and would have the municipality at least liable for its maximum $100K liability (under state law), even if the municipality contracts to the county to actually operate the computer systems that control the traffic lights.

How would someone making a U-turn on a leading green left arrow possibly be able to see whether the people trying to make a right have a leading green or a red light? Our transportation system is messed up but not that messed up.

The "right turn on red" issue is one of impatience and rudeness (and lack of mandatory drivers education in Florida), since someone turning right on red does not ever have the right of way over anyone. Drivers also do this in front of cars making left turns on a leading green light, and sometimes you have to let them know they are going to get hit to make them stop. I suppose you think they might have leading green right arrows as well. I'm guessing your car has been rear-ended quite a few times as you stop for people who "might have an imaginary right of way".
Police

Miami, FL

#3 Jan 20, 2008
This article and educational material like this need much more space and publication. This material is greatly needed for south Florida drivers. We can't keep up with stopping all of the problem drivers. A massive education program is needed. It would be great if the Sun Sentinel would take a leadership role in this.
Road Rager

Pompano Beach, FL

#4 Jan 20, 2008
If people making right on red would actually stop, it would help. Also, when you turn right, you're supposed to turn into the lane closest to where you just came from - the right lane. I can't tell you how many times I've been turning left on a green arrow, and some fool on the other side of the intersection (with the Red light!) makes a right turn into the far left lane - right into my lane of travel. Blowing your horn makes no differenece, they just look at you like you're crazy and keep going or give you the finger because they don't care. Sometimes I wish my car had a battering ram on the front.
Eric

Boca Raton, FL

#6 Jan 20, 2008
Good information, unfortunately the people who need this will never see it.
Florida seriously needs mandatory driver education. Between the illegals and the fossils, our driving habits are pathetic.
Leno

Miami, FL

#7 Jan 20, 2008
Hey, if you drive a Lexus or above you do not have to yield to anyone. What a stupid idea, making a right turn into the right lane. Why everyone knows you must go immediately to the left lane and stay there while chatting on the phone.

Since: Mar 07

Florida

#9 Jan 20, 2008
OK, that is settled about green-light left-/u-turns having right-of-way over right-turn-on-red turns.

What about left-turn arrow signals that have u-turn yield signs underneath? I have co-workers that are absolutely positive that it means you can ignore the lights and take a u-turn as long as you yield for other traffic. Other co-workers claim that it mean if you take a u-turn you have to yield to right-turners (who may, or may not, have a green right arrow).

I find both explanations lacking sense - the first is dangerous and the latter has to be wrong since the left-/u-turn signal timer is more limited than available time for right-turners. If I must take a u-turn at those intersections, I ready my hand on the horn to warn right-turners to yield.

I would love to see the DMV (or whatever they call themselves) to put in place a 8 hour defensive driving course that all licensed drivers must complete every 5 years. The course would cover basics as well as new laws and have tests that drivers would have to pass to complete the course. Those completing the course may get a discount on insurance. Any driver causing (cited or not) would have to take 8 hour (or more) defensive driving course, pass those tests with 90% or better and re-take the license exam before having the license reinstated.
BARNEY FIFFE

Pompano Beach, FL

#10 Jan 20, 2008
I just want to understand all of the idiots that are making u-turns on RED arrows !!!!

Since: Mar 07

Florida

#11 Jan 20, 2008
NotStyro wrote:
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Any driver causing (cited or not)
Any driver causing an accident (cited or not)...
JRod

Boca Raton, FL

#13 Jan 20, 2008
There is an exception to the the turning on a green arrow question, if the person who is turning on the green arrow has a sign that says 'Yield" than they must yield to the person who is turning on red (because sometimes the person turning on red has a right turn green arrow.)
Chris

United States

#14 Jan 20, 2008
observer wrote:
In reference to the first question about making a U-turn on a left arrow, you must be sure that the intersecting traffice doesn't have a green arrow allowing them to turn right, as most lights in South Florida do. If this is the case, the person who is on the intersecting street, and has a green arrow to turn right, has the right of way.
At these intersections, like the one on 17th Street Causeway in Fort Lauderdale, "No U-turn" sign are posted... but people chpose to ignore it.
concerned one

Redmond, WA

#18 Jan 20, 2008
NotStyro wrote:
OK, that is settled about green-light left-/u-turns having right-of-way over right-turn-on-red turns.
What about left-turn arrow signals that have u-turn yield signs underneath? I have co-workers that are absolutely positive that it means you can ignore the lights and take a u-turn as long as you yield for other traffic. Other co-workers claim that it mean if you take a u-turn you have to yield to right-turners (who may, or may not, have a green right arrow).
I find both explanations lacking sense - the first is dangerous and the latter has to be wrong since the left-/u-turn signal timer is more limited than available time for right-turners. If I must take a u-turn at those intersections, I ready my hand on the horn to warn right-turners to yield.
I would love to see the DMV (or whatever they call themselves) to put in place a 8 hour defensive driving course that all licensed drivers must complete every 5 years. The course would cover basics as well as new laws and have tests that drivers would have to pass to complete the course. Those completing the course may get a discount on insurance. Any driver causing (cited or not) would have to take 8 hour (or more) defensive driving course, pass those tests with 90% or better and re-take the license exam before having the license reinstated.
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Regarding your statement::
"I would love to see the DMV (or whatever they call themselves) to put in place a 8 hour defensive driving course that all licensed drivers must complete every 5 years."

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And what useful purpose would that serve?
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Thom

AOL

#19 Jan 20, 2008
Is there a new law that says you can make a U turn on a RED arrow? I guess I overlooked it when it went into effect.
Got it all wrong

AOL

#20 Jan 20, 2008
Check the laws. A green left arrow allows you to turn in the direction of the arrow only. Technically, making a U-turn on a green left arrow is a moving violation. You can only make a U-turn on a green light, after yielding to everyone.

The right turner (on red) would have the right of way over someone committing a traffic violation.
Tim

Delray Beach, FL

#21 Jan 20, 2008
Brilliant! Glad that this subject finally came up. As for a right turn green arrow, only one I know of is at an intersection where the cross street has a sign prohibiting U-turns.

My question is about where someone has a green light (but not the arrow) and makes a U-Turn. I recall when there was NO 'right on red law' and that it was enacted to accommodate drivers at red lights. I feel these drivers with the red light should be subservient to everyone on the cross street whether they have a protected green arrow or not. For this reason, I don't make a right on red if I see someone about to make a U-Turn unless I can fit myself in with the flow and not interfere.

I had one situation which bothered me, and hopefully one of you can help. On one occasion, I made a right on red onto a three laned (each direction) boulevard where there was traffic in the inside lanes which I figured would have precluded the guy in the turn lane from attempting to make a U-Turn. Well... The guy chose to cut off the oncoming traffic and they screeched to a halt to avoid hitting him when he stopped in front of them because I pulled out. Just wondered if it would have been my fault had the agressive u-turner been hit? Even had I not made the right-on-red, the u-turner would have caused the oncoming traffic to hit the brakes anyway (he was that close). I try to be quick and not impede anyone else's progress.

Thanks for any input.
Nightmare in Delray

United States

#22 Jan 20, 2008
At the corner of Atlantic Ave and Hagen Ranch in Delray, Beach the traffic light creates this little nightmare:

At Hagen Ranch, there is a green arrow allowing a right hand turn west on Atlantic. At the same time, there is a green arrow for the Atlantic Ave drivers to turn north on Hagen ranch. This is just dandy until someone decides to make a u-turn heading west on Atlantic.

There are no traffic signs either allowing or disallowing a u-turn to head west on Atlantic at that intersection.

I almost had an accident taking the green arrow off Hagen Ranch (to head West on Atlantic) while someone made a u-turn to head west on Atlantic while he/she had the green arrow to head north on Hagen Ranch.

There ought to be a sign disallowing u-turns on Atlantic and Hagen Ranch or the city should do away with the green arrow allowing turns off Hagen Ranch while the north arrow for Atlantic is on.

Since: Mar 07

Florida

#23 Jan 20, 2008
concerned one wrote:
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Regarding your statement::
"I would love to see the DMV (or whatever they call themselves) to put in place a 8 hour defensive driving course that all licensed drivers must complete every 5 years."
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And what useful purpose would that serve?
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It would reinforce the basics of defensive driving as well as hopefully bring drivers information on new laws. It may also provide a forum (such as this) for topics of discussion.
Mad As Hell

Boca Raton, FL

#24 Jan 20, 2008
I have been waiting to turn right on red for the "u-turners" and been passed by idiots who can't wait for traffic to clear. What ever happened to the law about a full and complete stop before turning right on red? And of course there are the places where you come to an intersection with right turn only and someone in the median cut-through makes a u-turn without stopping for the person with the right of way causing or nearly causing an accident?

Since: Mar 07

Florida

#25 Jan 20, 2008
Got it all wrong wrote:
Check the laws. A green left arrow allows you to turn in the direction of the arrow only. Technically, making a U-turn on a green left arrow is a moving violation. You can only make a U-turn on a green light, after yielding to everyone.
The right turner (on red) would have the right of way over someone committing a traffic violation.
If making a u-turn at an intersection is a moving violation, why are there not signs prohibiting u-turns at all intersections? Or cops watching intersections to cite drivers that commit moving violations by making u-turns?
Ba Ba Booey

East Brunswick, NJ

#26 Jan 20, 2008
Florida has the best drivers in the world. Duh

Once they are all dead from all the accidents & the huge SUV's that they drive are off the road, I'll return.

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