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Wendy Williams

Detroit, MI

#1 Sep 13, 2006
It saddens me to see parents encourage their childrens defiance. There are rules and dress codes in the work force and if I were to defy them I would be punished accordingly. Lincoln PArk school district (especially the high school) has gotten an "F" grade each year from the state. That should be the parents main concern. I see the kids walking to school smoking cigarettes and barely carrying any books. PArents should ecourage their kids to follow rules otherwise they are raising adult trouble makers. Encourage them to fight for meaningful things that will benefit their life-education, racism not clothes. They can wear their other clothes when school is out or on the weekend.
Mary

Dearborn, MI

#2 Sep 13, 2006
The parents that allow their kids to break these rules are doing their kids no favors. What is wrong with these parents? The school district has rules. It's clearly stated what the consequences are if you don't follow them. 9/11 or not, the students who violated the rules should be punished for it. What are these kids learning when their parents encourage them to break rules? I'll tell you what. They're learning that rules were made -- for other people to follow. T

hat's a dangerous mindset, for anyone.
Ron

San Diego, CA

#3 Sep 13, 2006
Looks to me like the school system has not read the Constitution of the United States regarding our freedom of expression. If we are not allowed to express ourselves especially on this hallowed day, we might as well invide Bin Laden to come set up shop here. He would certainly agree with the other posters here and enforce this rule under penalty of death! He would kill the parents and the kids...
jeffrey

Troy, MI

#4 Sep 13, 2006
i understand whare the two comments are trying to say but, i don't agree, its not what kids wear.Which make a child learn its the school and the teachers. and that you two are not in the the city it's harder to say we should have a dress code. that makes us wear unoffical uniforms. plus the frist day of school and every day after that 20 mins of almost every class is taken out to check the kids and make sure thay are good with what thay wear, now that is wrong if you count that up 120 mins of every day is taken out of the learning process to check us. its not teaching us to be defiance. not at all its teaching us to stand up for our selfs when something trying to take our right's away just like the teachers in detroit standing up for them selfs and what thay believe in. and if you want us to learn how the rules are made then enforce something that don't take away right's b/c supporting something that takes away rights is like disrepecting the U.S. and what we believe in.besides that we don't get "F's" b/c the way we dress. this is what i think of the dress code and this is comming from in side lincoln park...
jeffrey

Troy, MI

#5 Sep 13, 2006
thay are running the schools like communist.
Tom Shaver

Athens, GA

#6 Sep 13, 2006
First you took god out of the schools. Then you took the flag out. Next you assasinated common sense. How rediculous!!! I wore a uniform when I was in school, but the administraiton would have cut some slack for sonething like this. When Kruschev said we will bury you, perhaps it was truly prophetic. Thank God my parents left Michigan when they did.
flower

Flushing, MI

#7 Sep 13, 2006
Kids aren't in school to be fashion statements. They are there to learn.
will fletcher

Bentonville, AR

#8 Sep 13, 2006
Wendy Williams wrote:
It saddens me to see parents encourage their childrens defiance. There are rules and dress codes in the work force and if I were to defy them I would be punished accordingly. Lincoln PArk school district (especially the high school) has gotten an "F" grade each year from the state. That should be the parents main concern. I see the kids walking to school smoking cigarettes and barely carrying any books. PArents should ecourage their kids to follow rules otherwise they are raising adult trouble makers. Encourage them to fight for meaningful things that will benefit their life-education, racism not clothes. They can wear their other clothes when school is out or on the weekend.
What happen to free speech? Only when you want it?
Brian

United States

#9 Sep 13, 2006
They should of suspeneded the rules that day so that the kids could express their patriotism. The school and the community failed the kids and then rubbed it in their noses by suspending them. The school deserves all the national attention it is getting.
I hope the ACLU and other firms go forward with lawsuits to give the school reason to consider changing their policy.
tiffaney hoffman

Washington, MI

#10 Sep 20, 2006
I think parents are so stupid to fight the dress code. It's your fault for letting your children out the door wearing clothes that never should have been bought in the first place. they should go straight to uniforms. Do you have to show your underwear to express your self or a tea-shirt with a saying on it just say how you feel or what you believe in. why should people have to read what you believe in any way as long as you believe in your self who cares what it says on your shirt.
Serious

Saint Clair Shores, MI

#11 Sep 20, 2006
I can surley see a widespread gap on this issue. Schools set policy that differ in communities. Parents set policy at home that differs by houseold. When you set foot upon a state owned facility you will always find policy and rules that affect your position. i.e. Driving on highways, Court appearences,Airports and Airplanes,Library,
Trains, Buses, Navigation and Parks, Venues and places you go to interact as society.
Learning to accept that you are not the rulemaker or the policymaker is your first chalange. If you disagree with the policy, excersise your right to change it. If you are not sucessful at first, keep on trying using the right channels. To simply ignore the rules and policy will not bring about change. Change will only happen if you realize the basis for a working relationship with the Policymaker.

Erik

Roseville, MI

#12 Sep 21, 2006
FIRST AMENDMENT:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The dress code is unconstitutional, and rediculous. If you don't see that they are violating the students rights, then you need to open your eyes. The citizens fund these school board jerks and pay their wages, and this is what they are going to do?
Mike Compton

Allen Park, MI

#13 Sep 21, 2006
I am a student of LPHS. Now I know that your all up and mad at each other over opinions but hear me out. I'm not an all A student but I get decent grades. Now why is that our school allows school apparel and nothing else. 1.They are forcing to either dress uncomfortably or dress in there clothes. I'm not buying the ugly blue and orange clothes that they sell. Our school store sells hoodies, now banned. They sold Flip-Flops last year which were always against the dress code. All the schools shirts have logos that are way too big, but it's lincoln park clothing so it's ok? I don't think so. If I can't wear a shirt with pacman characters on it, which are less offending than anything I can think of right now, why can someone where a shirt with a giant Lincoln Park logo on it? No difference. If we wore Southgate shirts I'm sure that we would definately be in trouble. I myself got called down to the main office for Carpenter Jeans which are fine with the dress code. My main points

1.No matter what we wear, there are going to be kids who don't go to class and fail. What we wear has nothing to do with what we do.
2.Kids definately smoke and DRINK in front of school. They get out and light up a ciggarette. And the school cop does: NOTHING
3.I'm in school wearing clothes that I hate and that are uncomfortable for me to wear.
4.This dress code is stricter than they let on. No logo or anything on a shirt bigger than 2 inches. And no type of sports wear, jogging shorts etc.

So if you guys want to know whats really going on in school, ask me

e-mail: magazinedude2002@yahoo.com

p.s. it's not always the students fault that he or she fails
Roger

Oak Brook, IL

#14 Sep 21, 2006
I do not see this as an infringement on the 1st Amendment. Just my opinion.

I do think the number of items not allowed in the dress code goes too far. I understand some of the items, but others should be allowed.

I live next to Lincoln Park, and see the schools. I am relieved that I don't have to send my children there. This is a school system that has failed. This is also a community that has failed. Instead of going through the proper channels and getting the rules changed, these parents (the community) are encouraging their kids to break the rules, and are also interrupting their kids education. This is the real problem. I am sure the kids have their own opinions on the code, but I assure you that the elementary children have no idea what is really going on and see it as a way to impress their parents.

The school system didn't give parents early enough noticifation on the new policy. The schools should have taken that into consideration. Clothes are not cheap, and buying a new school wardrobe is a considerable expense. Parents should also stop playing into their kids vanity. I believe too many parents buy clothes that are not appropriate for any occasion, let alone school.
Roger

Oak Brook, IL

#15 Sep 22, 2006
"Kelly Galley agrees. Her three children -- 13-year-old twins Monique and Jaicen Massa and 11-year-old Jaymie Massa -- were suspended last week for protesting the dress code by wearing T-shirts with the First Amendment on them. Jaymie had stayed home from Lincoln Park Middle School on Tuesday, but Monique and Jaicen wore the shirts again -- their third offense -- and were suspended again, this time for five days. One more offense and they'll be expelled."

"Galley said it's likely she'll end up homeschooling."

This was taken from a Detroit Free Press article. This woman is the problem.
Kim Southgate MI

Canton, MI

#16 Sep 22, 2006
Where were these parents when the school district received an 'F' for their MEAP scores. It seems to me that these parents are more concerned with what their children wear than with their education. Children need to learn that their will always be rules to follow in life. If they don't learn it now the 'real world' is going to be a shock to their system!
Mike Compton

Allen Park, MI

#17 Sep 22, 2006
I'm sorry but I didn't get an "F" on my MEAP score. I happen to do pretty compared to the entire state. In Lincoln Park there are two types of people in school and no in betweens.

1.Those who care and try hard.
2.Those who just give up after they fail.

You people have got to understand that the student ultimately makes the decision in what they do, although like i said parents and teachers influence them a lot too.

Although most of my teachers are very encouraging there are others who could care less whether we pass or fail.

"Kim Southgate MI
Southgate, MI

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Where were these parents when the school district received an 'F' for their MEAP scores. It seems to me that these parents are more concerned with what their children wear than with their education. Children need to learn that their will always be rules to follow in life. If they don't learn it now the 'real world' is going to be a shock to their system! "

the 'real world', i agree that we need to follow the rules if they are put in. I just don't like the rules to be too strict. It seems like communism is coming into play into our schools. We weren't told whether there would be a dress code or not at the end of the year. So many students just plain didn't know about it.
Snyder

Hartland, MI

#18 Sep 25, 2006
This is NOT a first amendment issue. If it were, and parents truly felt that their children needed freedom of speech in school, why do they allow swearing to be illegal? Why are they ok with students having to raise their hands to answer questions? Why are they ok with students being punished for talking out-of-turn? This isn't a 1st Amendment issue - it's an issue of parents having a knee-jerk reaction to something they weren't informed about early enough.
Kim Southgate MI

Canton, MI

#19 Sep 25, 2006
Feel free to go to the Michigan Department of Education website where you will find scores for the 2005-06 school year. The school report card page shows the following scores:

English Language Arts: F
Mathematics: F
Science: F
Social Studies: C

I realize that individual students who want to learn and be successful can do so in any school. My argument is with the parents fighting the school district over what their children wear to school when they don't hold the school district more accountable for their children's education. It appears that their priorities are backwards.
Mike Compton wrote:
I'm sorry but I didn't get an "F" on my MEAP score. I happen to do pretty compared to the entire state. In Lincoln Park there are two types of people in school and no in betweens.
1.Those who care and try hard.
2.Those who just give up after they fail.
You people have got to understand that the student ultimately makes the decision in what they do, although like i said parents and teachers influence them a lot too.
Although most of my teachers are very encouraging there are others who could care less whether we pass or fail.
"Kim Southgate MI
Southgate, MI
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Where were these parents when the school district received an 'F' for their MEAP scores. It seems to me that these parents are more concerned with what their children wear than with their education. Children need to learn that their will always be rules to follow in life. If they don't learn it now the 'real world' is going to be a shock to their system! "
the 'real world', i agree that we need to follow the rules if they are put in. I just don't like the rules to be too strict. It seems like communism is coming into play into our schools. We weren't told whether there would be a dress code or not at the end of the year. So many students just plain didn't know about it.
MichChick

Lapeer, MI

#20 Sep 25, 2006
I wonder if those parents protesting the dress code spend as much time helping their kids with their homework, attending their athletic functions, plays, concerts, going to parent teacher conferences, school board meetings, as much as they are going on about something as insignificant as a lousy dress code! I bet those kids look great! Maybe if the parents looked at it like preparing their kids for the real world? The real world has rules. Try getting a job or keeping one if you show up in pajama pants and hoodies! Sheesh! Try complaining about something important. Righting a real wrong. It's about time the school systems start taking back the schools and teach kids, disipline, respect for authority. Get a clue parents!

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