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$500,000 earmark to pay for emergency radios

There are 18 comments on the Public Opinion story from Mar 18, 2009, titled $500,000 earmark to pay for emergency radios. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

A massive federal appropriation includes $500,000 for first responders in Franklin County.

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“Illegitimi non carborundum”

Since: Apr 08

Hagerstown, MD

#1 Mar 18, 2009
I sure hope this money will not go towards the Opensky system. It doesn't work as designed.
Observation

Manahawkin, NJ

#2 Mar 18, 2009
Use your cell phone. Didn't I see several other grants to get these guys radios? This is overkill.
Kirby

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Mar 18, 2009
Of course the local Wingnuts will label this as 'pork'. Ain't it all?
Common sense

Newville, PA

#4 Mar 18, 2009
Kirby wrote:
Of course the local Wingnuts will label this as 'pork'. Ain't it all?
Yea, lord knows we don't want our first responders to be able to communicate. Unless the wingnuts are getting a radio dropped into their grubby outstreched hands...the party of "no", "unless it benefits me!".
TIRED

Fogelsville, PA

#6 Mar 18, 2009
I hate to disagree with you OBSERVATION, but I must. The recent grant, to which you refer, is dedicated to Fire/EMS. The money came from a source that exclusively serves Fire/EMS and can’t be applied to Police or Local Government.
The new grant can be used for all providers. With app. 30 local Police cars in the county and mobile radios costing in the neighborhood of $3,000+ a piece we need better than $100,000 just for Police mobiles. That doesn’t even begin to address the need for portable radios.
The county is presently using a radio system that hasn’t been upgraded in fifty years. We are asking men and women to stake there lives, and yours, on equipment that has been failing for a long time. No Sir/Mam, this grant is not overkill, it’s long overdue.
The county as a whole and First Responders in particular owe a huge Thank-you to Congressman Shuster.
AGREE W TIRED

Butler, PA

#7 Mar 18, 2009
TIRED wrote:
I hate to disagree with you OBSERVATION, but I must. The recent grant, to which you refer, is dedicated to Fire/EMS. The money came from a source that exclusively serves Fire/EMS and can’t be applied to Police or Local Government.
The new grant can be used for all providers. With app. 30 local Police cars in the county and mobile radios costing in the neighborhood of $3,000+ a piece we need better than $100,000 just for Police mobiles. That doesn’t even begin to address the need for portable radios.
The county is presently using a radio system that hasn’t been upgraded in fifty years. We are asking men and women to stake there lives, and yours, on equipment that has been failing for a long time. No Sir/Mam, this grant is not overkill, it’s long overdue.
The county as a whole and First Responders in particular owe a huge Thank-you to Congressman Shuster.
GREAT RESPONSE TIRED I AGREE 100 % citizens don't understand how old the county system is and the lives that are at stake everyday. We need every dollar get this upgrade and provide superior service and proctection
I knew it

Norristown, PA

#8 Mar 18, 2009
It would be nice to know what kind of system it is going to be BEFORE it is purchased as opposed to AFTER it is bought.

“Illegitimi non carborundum”

Since: Apr 08

Hagerstown, MD

#9 Mar 18, 2009
As with anything radio related with county, it will be closely held ~secret~ until it's rolled out. Then it will be a complete disaster.
I just hope Franklin county learns from the other surrounding counties on what NOT to put in place.
I knew it wrote:
It would be nice to know what kind of system it is going to be BEFORE it is purchased as opposed to AFTER it is bought.
I knew it

Norristown, PA

#10 Mar 18, 2009
You're think along the same lines I am ,I just didn't type them on my post.
JustMyOpinion

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Mar 19, 2009
I knew it...if you know much about the government bid process you can't really know what company you are going with until the monies have been granted, so your statement is a bit wrong, as for what kind of system, they do know. They want to go with a digital system, i believe a 400MHz system.
Embeded Citizen...can you back up your statement about OpenSky rather than just slamming it? M/A Comm's 800 system does work as designed and has improved communication abilities by leaps and bounds in Cumberland County. Like with all technology it will never be perfect, Low Band was not perfect, but trust me we are better off with the OpenSky system! One of the biggest problems with OpenSky is people don't like change and they haven't taken the time to truely learn and utilize the capabilities of the system!
Good Luck and congrats to Franklin County!

“Illegitimi non carborundum”

Since: Apr 08

Hagerstown, MD

#12 Mar 19, 2009
Just ask some of the first responders that have tried that system in some of the surrounding counties. It does not work as advertised and it is extremely expensive. Have you taken note of the cost of the handheld radios for that system? Not to mention that when the system is purchased, there is only one manufacturer that can support it. If you work for that one manufacturer, it a great way to ensure job security.
JustMyOpinion wrote:
I knew it...if you know much about the government bid process you can't really know what company you are going with until the monies have been granted, so your statement is a bit wrong, as for what kind of system, they do know. They want to go with a digital system, i believe a 400MHz system.
Embeded Citizen...can you back up your statement about OpenSky rather than just slamming it? M/A Comm's 800 system does work as designed and has improved communication abilities by leaps and bounds in Cumberland County. Like with all technology it will never be perfect, Low Band was not perfect, but trust me we are better off with the OpenSky system! One of the biggest problems with OpenSky is people don't like change and they haven't taken the time to truely learn and utilize the capabilities of the system!
Good Luck and congrats to Franklin County!
Shbg Fireman

Chambersburg, PA

#13 Mar 19, 2009
Open Sky has its problems, but I think that Franklin will have a much better system.
HistorySays

Manahawkin, NJ

#14 Mar 19, 2009
At this rate, it is only a quarter billion dollars in radios for PA. $3,500,000 x 67 counties=$234,500,000. That's a lot of communication, over and out.
JustMyOpinion

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Mar 19, 2009
I do use the system as a responder! And it works and we are better off than we were with low band. I stand behind my point that while there are some problems many problems occur because people do not understand the system! I do know the cost of the system and the radios and it is in range for other digital systems. I am sure you are a motorola fan, and just like opensky motorola's digital system has had PLENTY of problems and lawsuits on it's hands for it's system not working!
Embedded Citizen wrote:
Just ask some of the first responders that have tried that system in some of the surrounding counties. It does not work as advertised and it is extremely expensive. Have you taken note of the cost of the handheld radios for that system? Not to mention that when the system is purchased, there is only one manufacturer that can support it. If you work for that one manufacturer, it a great way to ensure job security.
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“Illegitimi non carborundum”

Since: Apr 08

Hagerstown, MD

#16 Mar 19, 2009
You are a rare user if the system works flawlessly for you. As far a Motorola fan, far from the truth. I'd rather use a Motorola radio to prop open a door or perhaps a sinker for my fishing line.
JustMyOpinion

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Mar 19, 2009
Don't believe i ever said flawless. No one can create a flawless system!
Embedded Citizen wrote:
You are a rare user if the system works flawlessly for you. As far a Motorola fan, far from the truth. I'd rather use a Motorola radio to prop open a door or perhaps a sinker for my fishing line.
Heres a thought

Mount Gretna, PA

#18 Mar 20, 2009
Well maybe the system is old but as a paramedic for 20 years I have never had it fail. the new higher frequencies travel a shorter distance and require mor support from more towers.
AGREE W TIRED wrote:
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GREAT RESPONSE TIRED I AGREE 100 % citizens don't understand how old the county system is and the lives that are at stake everyday. We need every dollar get this upgrade and provide superior service and proctection
Bob the Cop

Cordova, TN

#19 Jan 2, 2010
Our county has been trying to transition to Open Sky for 6 years now. Today, only a small fraction of the county is on Open Sky and it has been marred with problems ever since they started building it in 2002.

Due to all the problems with the system I fear Open Sky will get someone hurt or worse.

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