Squirrel Hunting Creates Controversy In Holley

Jan 31, 2013 Full story: 13WHAM 29

Holley, N.Y. - A competition in a small town in Orleans County is stirring up quite a debate on social media and other places.

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Heather Howe

Cape Town, South Africa

#1 Feb 2, 2013
Dear Holley Fire department. My name is Justice and I am 14 years old - wow I can't believe you giving us kids permission to hurt and injure animals. Bit confused. Bible teacher says: "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't say not kill animals. Is my Bible teacher a wuss? Also science teacher says all animals are sentient - meaning they conscious, feel pain,and lots of emotions like us - he says the latest science shows animals not objects but feeling beings. Also can I maim and injure cats and dogs? They are also animals. Also my uncle Ernie is mentally challenged - can't think or reason - so a bit like an animal. Can I injure him? It's a confusing world - I thought you guys at the Fire Dept looked after living beings but, hey, I'm just a kid, so what do I know. If you want to promote violence as a fun activity and set that example for us kids who am I to argue. Permitting kids to follow violent impulses is quite weird, I admit. But, hey, you're the adults so we have full trust in your judgement.

Since: Aug 11

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#2 Feb 2, 2013
Heather Howe wrote:
Dear Holley Fire department. My name is Justice and I am 14 years old - wow I can't believe you giving us kids permission to hurt and injure animals. Bit confused. Bible teacher says: "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't say not kill animals. Is my Bible teacher a wuss? Also science teacher says all animals are sentient - meaning they conscious, feel pain,and lots of emotions like us - he says the latest science shows animals not objects but feeling beings. Also can I maim and injure cats and dogs? They are also animals. Also my uncle Ernie is mentally challenged - can't think or reason - so a bit like an animal. Can I injure him? It's a confusing world - I thought you guys at the Fire Dept looked after living beings but, hey, I'm just a kid, so what do I know. If you want to promote violence as a fun activity and set that example for us kids who am I to argue. Permitting kids to follow violent impulses is quite weird, I admit. But, hey, you're the adults so we have full trust in your judgement.
Dear Heather The closeset bridge to you is missing it's resident troll and they want you back at once.
Connie B

Buffalo, NY

#3 Feb 2, 2013
I live in NY, about 45 miles away from the now-infamous Holley. I fueled up my car a few days ago and noticed the prominently-placed, brightly-colored sign on the fuel pump stating that persons under 16 are prohibited from dispensing flammable liquids. How interesting. And, in New York, the youngest one can get a driver license is 16, and the youngest one can drink alcohol is 21. Yet, at the age of 12, one can carry and shoot a loaded gun! What is wrong with this picture? Pre-teens and young teenagers should not be taught that killing is fun and profitable. And firefighters, who are supposed to be saving lives, should not be profiting from gun violence. Squirrels are not pests, they are part of the natural world and have a place in it which does not have to be "approved" by humans -- they were around long before our ape ancestors even evolved into humans -- the earliest fossil records of squirrels are 36 million years old!! The Holley Squirrel Slam is wrong at every level.
Heather Howe wrote:
Dear Holley Fire department. My name is Justice and I am 14 years old - wow I can't believe you giving us kids permission to hurt and injure animals. Bit confused. Bible teacher says: "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't say not kill animals. Is my Bible teacher a wuss? Also science teacher says all animals are sentient - meaning they conscious, feel pain,and lots of emotions like us - he says the latest science shows animals not objects but feeling beings. Also can I maim and injure cats and dogs? They are also animals. Also my uncle Ernie is mentally challenged - can't think or reason - so a bit like an animal. Can I injure him? It's a confusing world - I thought you guys at the Fire Dept looked after living beings but, hey, I'm just a kid, so what do I know. If you want to promote violence as a fun activity and set that example for us kids who am I to argue. Permitting kids to follow violent impulses is quite weird, I admit. But, hey, you're the adults so we have full trust in your judgement.
Anne Muller

Highland, NY

#5 Feb 2, 2013
Just what we need, more violence. Adam Lanza also went shooting with him mom. Hmmmm.
Wildlife Research Mgr

Batavia, NY

#6 Feb 2, 2013
Heather Howe wrote:
Dear Holley Fire department. My name is Justice and I am 14 years old - wow I can't believe you giving us kids permission to hurt and injure animals. Bit confused. Bible teacher says: "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't say not kill animals. Is my Bible teacher a wuss? Also science teacher says all animals are sentient - meaning they conscious, feel pain,and lots of emotions like us - he says the latest science shows animals not objects but feeling beings. Also can I maim and injure cats and dogs? They are also animals. Also my uncle Ernie is mentally challenged - can't think or reason - so a bit like an animal. Can I injure him? It's a confusing world - I thought you guys at the Fire Dept looked after living beings but, hey, I'm just a kid, so what do I know. If you want to promote violence as a fun activity and set that example for us kids who am I to argue. Permitting kids to follow violent impulses is quite weird, I admit. But, hey, you're the adults so we have full trust in your judgement.
In the Bible (Genesis), God gave man domain over all the animals. An average life span of a squirrel in the wild is about 3 years. NYSDEC gives permission to hunt squirrels to people who have received proper training and obtain a license, and also establish guidelines for hunting. Squirrel babies die due to a number of reasons. A female with young in the nest being picked off by a hunter, represents only a small percentage of squirrel mortality rates. Squirrels often mate twice per year and have multiple young each time. Females are fertile before one year old. People shooting people vs. people hunting squirrels is a poor analogy. If you disagree, compare how many people get killed by cars. You would surely challenge a statement made that says nobody should drive cars anymore. There have been big buck contests, longest turkey beard contests and longest pheasant tail contests for decades. Today, more and more wildlife are protected by hunting laws simply due to human municipal encroachment and restrictions.

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#7 Feb 2, 2013
Wildlife Research Mgr wrote:
<quoted text> In the Bible (Genesis), God gave man domain over all the animals. An average life span of a squirrel in the wild is about 3 years. NYSDEC gives permission to hunt squirrels to people who have received proper training and obtain a license, and also establish guidelines for hunting. Squirrel babies die due to a number of reasons. A female with young in the nest being picked off by a hunter, represents only a small percentage of squirrel mortality rates. Squirrels often mate twice per year and have multiple young each time. Females are fertile before one year old. People shooting people vs. people hunting squirrels is a poor analogy. If you disagree, compare how many people get killed by cars. You would surely challenge a statement made that says nobody should drive cars anymore. There have been big buck contests, longest turkey beard contests and longest pheasant tail contests for decades. Today, more and more wildlife are protected by hunting laws simply due to human municipal encroachment and restrictions.
THANK YOU!!! People get their shorts all in a twist without knowing the facts. Kids that are hunting are supervised as we both know and are not committing "Gun Violence" as the new term is called for any use of a firearm. I am sure if you are of a certain age you can remember going to school during hunting season with a firearm in your vehicle and thinking nothing of it. Hunting is villified now as careless use of a firearm or worse. People need to get a grip and realize that most firearms owners are safe and use them responsibly.
Need to be slapped

Somerville, MA

#9 Feb 3, 2013
My bet is more people will be killed in Chicago this weekend as compared to squirrels in Holley.
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#10 Feb 3, 2013
Good idea for a squirrel slam, think Iíll go out and shoot a limit too.
Charlie Malloy

United States

#11 Feb 3, 2013
Hi,
I'm 15 years old. I wanted to comment about the person who quoted the bible saying that God gives us domain over the animals. What the bible says is that as God loves us, He gave us "dominion" over the animals and we should protect them as he has dominion over us. We should not be killing them for recreation or target practice. Any person who would shoot at an innocent animal is a coward. If people want to kill other living things, go to war where you both have weapons. Hunting is not a sport, both sides aren't equal. Leave the wild animals alone.
Get Out

Jacksonville, NC

#12 Feb 3, 2013
Charlie Malloy wrote:
Hi,
I'm 15 years old. I wanted to comment about the person who quoted the bible saying that God gives us domain over the animals. What the bible says is that as God loves us, He gave us "dominion" over the animals and we should protect them as he has dominion over us. We should not be killing them for recreation or target practice. Any person who would shoot at an innocent animal is a coward. If people want to kill other living things, go to war where you both have weapons. Hunting is not a sport, both sides aren't equal. Leave the wild animals alone.
I donít thump the bible, but since you brought it up.
http://www.openbible.info/topics/eating_anima...
http://www.godtellsus.com/abouteatinganimalsa...
Leviticus 11:1-3
And the LORD spoke unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them. Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat Among all the beasts that are on the earth. Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, Among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

Acts 11:5-7
I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me: Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

Genesis 3:21
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Mark 1:6
And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey.
sasquatch

Batavia, NY

#13 Feb 3, 2013
Charlie Malloy wrote:
Hi,
I'm 15 years old. I wanted to comment about the person who quoted the bible saying that God gives us domain over the animals. What the bible says is that as God loves us, He gave us "dominion" over the animals and we should protect them as he has dominion over us. We should not be killing them for recreation or target practice. Any person who would shoot at an innocent animal is a coward. If people want to kill other living things, go to war where you both have weapons. Hunting is not a sport, both sides aren't equal. Leave the wild animals alone.
do you eat meat or fish? bet you do? some animal had to be killed for you to eat, are there lives worth less than an animal you think is cute. stepback get a grip with reallity.

Since: Aug 11

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#14 Feb 3, 2013
sasquatch wrote:
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do you eat meat or fish? bet you do? some animal had to be killed for you to eat, are there lives worth less than an animal you think is cute. stepback get a grip with reallity.
Meat comes on a styrofoam tray covered with plastic wrap from the meat factory for Charlie..... There is a disconnect between the processing of the meat and the sanitary meat case he gets his meat from.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#16 Feb 6, 2013
sasquatch

Batavia, NY

#18 Feb 6, 2013
Have Seen It Before wrote:
<quoted text>Meat comes on a styrofoam tray covered with plastic wrap from the meat factory for Charlie..... There is a disconnect between the processing of the meat and the sanitary meat case he gets his meat from.
agree !!

gunnutaccidents

San Rafael, CA

#19 Feb 8, 2013
Hope to see some hunting "accidents". Improve the gene pool.
Real American

United States

#20 Feb 8, 2013
The bad karma goes back to you. You are a evil person and bad luck is probably your best friend . Loser.
gunnutaccidents wrote:
Hope to see some hunting "accidents". Improve the gene pool.
gunnutaccidents

San Rafael, CA

#21 Feb 8, 2013
Real American wrote:
The bad karma goes back to you. You are a evil person and bad luck is probably your best friend . Loser.
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Sorry facts dont lie, your 20 times more likely to get shot if you have a firearm in your home.
sasquatch

Batavia, NY

#22 Feb 8, 2013
gunnutaccidents wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry facts dont lie, your 20 times more likely to get shot if you have a firearm in your home.
wrong. dont make up statistics you cant prove. just because i own a gun does not make me more likely to get shot, in fact i believe it makes me more likely not to get shot.
sasquatch

Batavia, NY

#23 Feb 8, 2013
gunnutaccidents wrote:
Hope to see some hunting "accidents". Improve the gene pool.
how f'n dumb are you. you wish a human gets shot to save the life of a squirrel. really? step back think about what you said. do you eat meat? i hope i see you at the event, would love to have debate with you.
Old America

United States

#24 Feb 8, 2013
You believe this jerk. Wants people to get hurt or killed. You liberal scumbags are the cancer on this earth. Whats the worst pollution on earth . Liberals

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