A New Set Of Surprises From obummer

A New Set Of Surprises From obummer

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Byron Center, MI

#1 Dec 14, 2012
According to the CEO of Aetna Insurance, Mark Bertolini, obummercare is going to double its premium rates for health care coverage.

WONDERFUL NEWS! I can hardly afford my supplemental coverage now. What am I supposed to do, flip burgers at 66 years old? I may have to. obummer fails again.

disco stu

Holland, MI

#2 Dec 14, 2012
"Debt deal or not, Aetna will likely have to restructure its business in the wake of its recent merger agreement with Coventry Health Care. That may mean layoffs, even as the company adjusts to an influx of new customers thanks to the implementation of Obamacare.

Obamacare is estimated to expand the health insurance market by 16 million Americans by 2019, and it requires health insurers to not turn away the sick. As a result, both costs and revenues at Aetna are likely to rise, and the company may need to cut some workers and hire others to deal with these changes." ~ per link

".........both costs and REVENUES at Aetna are likely to rise....may need to cut some workers and hire others"

So wouldnt that be a push?

And there are ALWAYS other companies that will come in at a lower cost. Thats how capitalism works - competition for customers.


Holland, MI

#3 Dec 14, 2012

You really should have plnned better! You apparently have been freeloading on the system to long and it is time for you to pay your fair share.

Holland, MI

#4 Dec 14, 2012
Ha ha ha ~

It's always funny- how does that go- when Blackhorse gets slapped down.

Byron Center, MI

#5 Dec 14, 2012
No slap down here. Read the article. I did not write it, but it seems some people who are not so bright think I did.

I'm doing OK but it is still a challenge to make ends meet and still have some left over for the future.

Bob, you seem to think I'm destitute. I'm not but I don't want to use the money that I have managed to save.

It is funny you and bonds77 claim I am on the dole with no reason to do so. I am collecting SS. I also paid into the system and I have not yet collected as much as I have put in. Yet neither one of you have a problem with people collecting benefits, who have never paid a dime into it. Why is that? Also, I have VA medical benefits available to me, and I have had them for over 40 years, yet I still maintain and use the plan I pay for; so I'm not a burden on the VA system, so it can be used for those veterans who need it.

I'm such a user eh? Don't like it? Too bad, change the system. Commence fire.

Holland, MI

#6 Dec 14, 2012
NONE of that was what Disco Stu was talking about. I was hoping that you were better than pulling the veteran card.

His point was about the article, how you tried to play it off as "Obama's health care thing is going to screw us all" when that clearly isn't the purpose of the article. As your buddy BD and you say, don't change the subject.

Byron Center, MI

#7 Dec 14, 2012
Veteran card? Is that worse than the race card I'm always hearing about?

What is wrong with the veteran card. Do I need to be ashamed of being a combat vet? Getting shot? Getting injured twice in two helicopter crashes? Crushed vertibrae? Or should I just be ashamed of being a veteran?

Please advise why I should be better than pulling the "veteran card".

Besides, don't interpret for disco stu. Let him speak for himself or are you the resident expert and he has given you permission to speak for him?

Pretty egotistical isn't it? Besides, it's my thread, I'll change the subject if it suits me.

Holland, MI

#8 Dec 14, 2012
We've given you your due respect on this board. And yes, it's similar to the race card. You're dodging the issue, plain and simple- you made a claim, it was shot down big time, and you can't admit it. Nobody claimed you were a burden.

Byron Center, MI

#9 Dec 15, 2012
bonds77 wrote:
We've given you your due respect on this board. And yes, it's similar to the race card. You're dodging the issue, plain and simple- you made a claim, it was shot down big time, and you can't admit it. Nobody claimed you were a burden.
If the "claim" you are referring to is the subject of this thread, I did not make that claim, Alex Nussbaum did. He wrote the article, I just posted the link and gave a short summary of the content.

Also, if nobody claimed I was a burden, how come you are always on my case about being on SS and sucking off the teat of society? If I'm not a burden, keep your mouth shut about me being on SS.

Here is what Pelosi said about SS being a liberal, maybe you should study what she said.

"Pelosi wrote in a USA Today column. "For seniors nearing retirement, it means less security for themselves and their families. It betrays the bedrock promise of Medicare: that Americans who work hard and take responsibility all their lives can know dignity in their later years."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/14/de...

Holland, MI

#10 Dec 15, 2012
It needs some reform. That's what all the Repubs are screaming about(and your buddies). So WHY do you continue to be in their corner? You're in a new place now- living on a gov't program(I don't support Iraq invasions, but i've been paying into it for years and years).

Byron Center, MI

#11 Dec 15, 2012
It may be a government program, but as you call it; it is an entitlement program. It is called that because according to the federal government, I'M ENTITLED TO IT!

So what is the problem? There are Illegal Mexicans on it that have never paid a dime into it. That means they are collecting on an entitlement program that they are NOT entitled to.

Explain to me how that is OK, but me collecting is not OK. Oh wait, let me guess...... liberal logic.

“Life's not fair”

Since: Aug 09

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#12 Dec 15, 2012
Blackhorse wrote:
let me guess...... liberal logic.
winner winner chicken dinner.

Holland, MI

#13 Dec 15, 2012
Versions of this whopper have been going around since 2006 and picked up after Democrats won increased House and Senate majorities last November. Since January 1, readers have forwarded to us more than 100 e-mails that claim Congress is about to vote or is voting right now or just voted last week to give Social Security benefits to illegal immigrants. All are false.

We first saw this bogus claim bandied about as a Republican campaign theme during the 2006 midterm elections. As we explained then, no benefits can legally be paid to illegal immigrants and there was never a proposal to change that.

The false claims mischaracterize debate over immigration legislation in 2006. There was a failed attempt by Republicans to change current law in order to prevent immigrants who become citizens, or who are granted legal status, from getting credit toward future Social Security benefits for taxes they paid before becoming legal. Current law allows illegal immigrants to get such credit but only when and if they become legal. Republicans offered an amendment to change this, but it failed, as did the immigration legislation to which it would have been attached.


Byron Center, MI

#14 Dec 16, 2012
Did you read all of your link? You did not. Ms Powers said many things that were skewed or untrue. Further down anchor babies were discussed and SSI is given to other programs to support these babies. Who is the check written to? Hint: not the baby.

Surprise, surprise: Census Bureau data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their America-born anchor babies. Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisan Washington, D.C., group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S. The results, published this month in a lengthy report, are hardly surprising. Basically, the majority of households across the country benefiting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62 percent); Texas, California and New York with 61 percent each, and Pennsylvania (59 percent).

The study focused on eight major welfare programs that cost the government $517 billion the year they were examined. They include Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for the disabled, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), a nutritional program known as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), food stamps, free/reduced school lunch, public housing and health insurance for the poor (Medicaid). Food assistance and Medicaid are the programs most commonly used by illegal immigrants, mainly on behalf of their American-born children who get automatic citizenship.

In other words, far more than free school lunch for children, regardless of how piously and strenuously Powers claims otherwise.

bonds77, you need to read your sources. lol

Holland, MI

#15 Dec 16, 2012
Oh, I thought we were talking about Social Security?

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