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“I can't believe this!!!”

Since: Sep 09

Holdenville, ok

#1 Oct 8, 2009
I have seen several people post that they don't like the prison being in Holdenville, why? Did they not add jobs to this community, pay for the utilities they use, and tax money go to area schools, use their own water treatment plant? What is so bad about the prison being in Holdenville? Has someone ever escaped, or been turned loose into the community? Just curious about everyone hating on the prison!!!!
John

Shawnee, OK

#2 Oct 8, 2009
I think the prison has been good for the area but it also has had a negative impact on the community by causing alot of the families of the convicts moving into the area just so they can be close to their familiy member. This causes our unemployment rate to be higher.
Poison Ivy

Oklahoma City, OK

#3 Oct 27, 2009
A prison is a source of contention. Holdenville used to be a clean enough place to be. Prisons bring more drugs and crime into a city than they had before. They do or have had riots in that prison, I remember one when a lady I knew worked there.
ezra

Coalgate, OK

#4 Oct 27, 2009
Poison Ivy wrote:
A prison is a source of contention. Holdenville used to be a clean enough place to be. Prisons bring more drugs and crime into a city than they had before. They do or have had riots in that prison, I remember one when a lady I knew worked there.
They are (prisons) your tax dollars a work. I believe if you will check the availity of PELL grants issued for this area, you will find the "Inmates" will receive the cream of them. The prison will get them and then provide in-house teachers. The un-emploment goes up and the welfare increases due to the camp followers(families of inmates). So therefore we have a fixed income (retirees) and the lack of educational monies for young people. There is your econmic base in Holdenville. If you want to retire and can't afford a nursing home, commit a crime. You will get housing, clothing, 3 adequate meals a day, free medical, free dental, and free eyeglasses. O Bama needs to review this system. Also free burial, if needed. Give an inmate a club and the other a knife and let them get after it.

“Surfers Rule”

Since: Jul 09

Main Street U.S.A

#5 Oct 28, 2009
Employed wrote:
I have seen several people post that they don't like the prison being in Holdenville, why?!!!!
Not the prison. But the worker program next to the prision, These inmates are allowed to go into Churches of the surrounding communities. They (inmates) prey on the mature single women, and younger naive girls for money and sometimes controband llegal and illegal. And they lie to the congregations, "I'm in prison for stealing beer" after looking up his record, Robbing a convenience store at gun point.
One was caught having sex in the rest room. A willing women of the congregation.
Holdenville has them on the back Trash trucks collecting our garbage. Can you just imagine what they find, personal data, names addresses, womans/girls intimates, old photos, and probably even adult sex toys.
Ol Well
Surfink

“I can't believe this!!!”

Since: Sep 09

Holdenville, ok

#6 Oct 28, 2009
My church does not discriminate who attends, as long as they believe in God and want to worship, they are allowed. As far as preying on the "willing" women of the congragation sounds like you might want to say a special prayer for them, if they are willing, then it is a problem at home, not the prison, or the prisoners. It would have happened with someone.
Gene Holliman

United States

#7 Oct 29, 2009
Davis Correctional Facility has been both good and bad for Holdenville, but being on the City Council I will have to say the good far outweights the bad. There are about 300+ people from Holdenville, Wewoka, Seminole, Ada, Wetumka and a few other places that are employed. The payroll of the Prison is spent in our cities, which in turn helps other businesses to stay in business. As far as the PELL grants, this is a private facility and with their expansion, it placed an 80+ million dollar piece of property on the Hughes County Tax rolls. The City of Holdenville built the prison several years ago and ended up selling it to CCA (Corrections Corporation of America) and when it sold it was placed on the tax base for the county.

If you want to know where the bulk of the PELL grants go, look at your Technology Centers (Formerly called Vo-Techs) I am not against Technology Centers, but they do get their fair share of grants and scholarships.

Will be the first to agree that it has brought some of the lets say "undesirables" to Holdenville, but I don't believe that it is that many. Holdenville and most other towns in the area had a drug problem long before the prison came to town.

The inmates that work on the back of the trash trucks, at the cemetery and in the other towns is free labor for the most part. They also are the ones that are almost ready to be released from the Prison System. They are all from the smaller facility that is located near the "big" prison. None of the inmates in the "big" prison are allowed to be out side the fence. So the ones in the Churches or the ones you see around town are the "pre release" inmates. Most of them that I have talked with appear to be very genuine in rehablitation process. Sure there will be some of them that will recind once they get freedom, but most of the have learned their lesson and should be OK, if we (the outside world) will allow them to be.

Yes, there have been some up rising at this prison, but nothing like "big Mac". Private Prisons have been a Godsend for several small towns, not only in Oklahoma, but in other states as well.

Just my thoughts.
ezra

Coalgate, OK

#8 Oct 30, 2009
Gene Holliman wrote:
Davis Correctional Facility has been both good and bad for Holdenville, but being on the City Council I will have to say the good far outweights the bad. There are about 300+ people from Holdenville, Wewoka, Seminole, Ada, Wetumka and a few other places that are employed. The payroll of the Prison is spent in our cities, which in turn helps other businesses to stay in business. As far as the PELL grants, this is a private facility and with their expansion, it placed an 80+ million dollar piece of property on the Hughes County Tax rolls. The City of Holdenville built the prison several years ago and ended up selling it to CCA (Corrections Corporation of America) and when it sold it was placed on the tax base for the county.
If you want to know where the bulk of the PELL grants go, look at your Technology Centers (Formerly called Vo-Techs) I am not against Technology Centers, but they do get their fair share of grants and scholarships.
Will be the first to agree that it has brought some of the lets say "undesirables" to Holdenville, but I don't believe that it is that many. Holdenville and most other towns in the area had a drug problem long before the prison came to town.
The inmates that work on the back of the trash trucks, at the cemetery and in the other towns is free labor for the most part. They also are the ones that are almost ready to be released from the Prison System. They are all from the smaller facility that is located near the "big" prison. None of the inmates in the "big" prison are allowed to be out side the fence. So the ones in the Churches or the ones you see around town are the "pre release" inmates. Most of them that I have talked with appear to be very genuine in rehablitation process. Sure there will be some of them that will recind once they get freedom, but most of the have learned their lesson and should be OK, if we (the outside world) will allow them to be.
Yes, there have been some up rising at this prison, but nothing like "big Mac". Private Prisons have been a Godsend for several small towns, not only in Oklahoma, but in other states as well.
Just my thoughts.
Hate to disagree Gene, but the PELL grants are there. Check out the other CCA facilities, such as Hinton and Watonga. Correction, Hinton sold to Davis Corrections after dispute with CCA. You are right about the Vo-Tech. but that is part of what is being taught inside the wire. Personally, I don't care. I just want all the kids in this area to have a chance at Education in front of the 80% inmates which will return back into the system. As far as the economic boost to Holdenville, I'm glad that any honest person has a job. Those people in there are paying a debt to society that they chose, and therefore they've been removed from the outside society, and as far as I'm concerned the right to Grant money based on earned income that free citizens are entitled to. The only other complaints I would have is the burden of social welfare their families are creating, once again, because daddy is in the joint providing no income. I know you, the Mayor and other council members catch the dickens all the time, but I have seen Holdenville prosper throug the past 10 years through leadership. You all are not going to please everyone, but I personally think of some of our past city governments, and say you are doing the best job that you can, despite what you have to work with. The only small cities that will greatly prosper is a city with a college or a military facility for a greater economic base, but then you open another can of worms.
MoonDAWG regular

Binger, OK

#9 Nov 1, 2009
AHHHH......OF COURSE EZRA THE KNOW IT ALL POSTING AGAIN. I SUPPOSE HE USE TO BE A PRISON GUARD ALSO?? LETS HEAR THE STORYS OF WHEN YOU USE TO WORK ON H-UNIT DOWN AT OSP IN MCALESTER. I BET HE USE 2 BEAT DEATH ROW INMATES DOWN
ezra

Coalgate, OK

#10 Nov 2, 2009
MoonDAWG regular wrote:
AHHHH......OF COURSE EZRA THE KNOW IT ALL POSTING AGAIN. I SUPPOSE HE USE TO BE A PRISON GUARD ALSO?? LETS HEAR THE STORYS OF WHEN YOU USE TO WORK ON H-UNIT DOWN AT OSP IN MCALESTER. I BET HE USE 2 BEAT DEATH ROW INMATES DOWN
moon-pie, you can post some pretty good stuff---and then all of a sudden, you become a complete ASS!
MoonDAWG regular

Binger, OK

#11 Nov 2, 2009
WHATEVER EZRA!! YOU WAS SAD WHEN I WAS GOING TO STOP POSTING ON TOPICS. NOW IM BACK AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IM AN ASS???
ezra

Coalgate, OK

#12 Nov 2, 2009
MoonDAWG regular wrote:
WHATEVER EZRA!! YOU WAS SAD WHEN I WAS GOING TO STOP POSTING ON TOPICS. NOW IM BACK AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IM AN ASS???
Yep! welcome back anyway
yeah

United States

#13 Nov 3, 2009
i support the prison...it pays for everything i do. amen.
Poison Ivy

Oklahoma City, OK

#14 Nov 3, 2009
I guess it is true that H'ville had a drug problem anyway, so why make sure it gets worse with a prison. I don' even understand why a prisoner would qualify for a Pell Grant, what do they do, take classes over the internet? It is bad when the extra welfare families move in, especially, when a existing welfare woman has a man living with her and the welfare dept. won't even investigate because it is intruding into their private life. I know that happened when you worked in Welfare Dept. Gene. remember???
George

United States

#15 Nov 7, 2009
Gene Holliman wrote:
Will be the first to agree that it has brought some of the lets say "undesirables" to Holdenville, but I don't believe that it is that many. Holdenville and most other towns in the area had a drug problem long before the prison came to town.
Hate to say it But your Chief of Police has said your son is one of the biggest druggies in this county Gene
Poison Ivy

Piedmont, OK

#16 Nov 9, 2009
If you are the George I am thinking of, you had a couple of boys that were and still are dealing drugs all over the city. It is common knowledge that your bunch is incorrigable.
Bratt

United States

#18 Jan 31, 2010
speaking of drugs since we have so many druggies in town how come we can't build a rehab center and try and help some of the people? Drug court is a temp thing for most and prison only makes an addict worse. until HOLDENVILLE opens their eyes and realizes its not the addict but the dealers that are screwing this town up we are never going to be the town we need to be this town is getting worse every year.
Moondawg patrin

Schaumburg, IL

#19 Feb 2, 2010
I heard Cord Phillips quit selling drugs because of his name being brought up on this internet site. I know somebody keeps telling people to stop putting names on here,but if it scares these people into quitting selling,hey lets have some more names.From what I hear,there are plenty.
Rockn his name

United States

#20 Feb 2, 2010
Moondawg patrin wrote:
I heard Cord Phillips quit selling drugs because of his name being brought up on this internet site. I know somebody keeps telling people to stop putting names on here,but if it scares these people into quitting selling,hey lets have some more names.From what I hear,there are plenty.
From what you hear? Really, more like from what and who you know. Quit running off at the mouth and get a freaking real job
YouKnowMe

United States

#21 Feb 2, 2010
Moondawg patrin wrote:
I heard Cord Phillips quit selling drugs because of his name being brought up on this internet site. I know somebody keeps telling people to stop putting names on here,but if it scares these people into quitting selling,hey lets have some more names.From what I hear,there are plenty.
He didn't quit, he's just saying that to those he don't trust, like you because he doesn't know who is running their mouth. I think everybody on here is a damn tweeker. Who made this stuff up about Cord anyway? I'll tell you who, A DAMN TWEEKER. You Fools need to GET a LIFE.

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