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Motorcyclist dead in collision on Vets highway

There are 179 comments on the Newsday story from May 21, 2007, titled Motorcyclist dead in collision on Vets highway. In it, Newsday reports that:

A Patchogue man died when his motorcycle collided with an SUV Monday in Holbrook, police said.

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HarleyRider

Colnbrook, UK

#170 May 29, 2007
John Montuak wrote:
<quoted text>oIf this ever reached a jury trial. Good attorneys drag everything out from the past and little is fair game.Very painful just ask a rape victim. So it's better off solved by the inssurance compaines and hopefully the right thing will be done.
I am now convinced that you are an idiot, and a liar, and all you've written here is BS! From what I have read, this woman should go to jail.
But you think that her lawyer may bring up any past aggressions he's had, which would make it OK for her to blow a stop sign and run someone over? Get a life, and stop BS'ing.
Aimee

Beacon, NY

#171 May 30, 2007
look everyone is angry and sad and confused. I have no doubt that mary is suffering as are we all. You can not make sense out of something senseless.Grief and pain can make us lash out. Let us remember the families and not mudsling and blame.Jerry was a wonderful man father son friend. He will be missed by all!
Kristina

Beacon, NY

#172 May 31, 2007
There is so much to be said, about this accident, but I am going to try to fit it all in one comment. I am flabbergasted by the fact that "grown" people are putting their two cents into something they know nothing about.

To clear the air, and correct John Montauk.
This accident happened on Vets Highway, the same Vets Highway that ENDS miles before the Hamptons.
The accident took place at approximately 1:30, when Jerry was riding his HARLEY home after a 4am to 1pm shift at the Airport, where he worked as a baggage screener. He was on his way home to pick up his young daughters from school, like he did every other day. Jerry was in the right lane, with his friend IN FRONT of him, a car length or so. His girlfriend, was in the left lane, somewhat even with his friend.( I suppose the girlfriends older model Saturn and the friends Beetle were also going 150 miles an hour?, John?) They were all going the speed limit, and Mary pulled out, making that left, right after the two cars passed the intersection but before Jerry made it through. Perhaps she didn't see him, perhaps she couldn't hear the sound of his Harley, but that doesn't mean she is free of fault. Mary did not kill Jerry in cold-blood. But her negligence did kill Jerry.
Mary's car was damaged in the front end only. If this was not a head on collision, why is only the front of her car damaged? Because she HIT Jerry. It's a matter of physics, alone.
Mary did not need to be removed from the car with the Jaws of Life. All she had to do was open her door. She did not do that though, she stayed in the car while Jerry died, while Jerry's friends tried to bring him back, when the police and ambulances arrived, she sat in her car. She was in shock, I'm sure, I would be too knowing that my negligence had just taken a man's life. But she did not leave her car until a police officer approached her and took her to an ambulance to be checked out and for some questioning.
While reading all this reaction to the accident, I wonder if John is talking about ths accident. John, I understand that you are trying to defend Mary, and you have every right to.. but to belittle someone who is a) no longer with us and b) who is of NO FAULT is, frankly, disgusting.

The most important thing we have to learn as a result of this tragedy regardless of anything, is that life is precious. An amazing life was cut short, and perhaps we should put down our boxing gloves and realize that a human being, a beautiful human being with beautiful innocent children, has died. I would hope it would not matter whose "side" you were on, or who you choose to believe, as long as you realize how short life is and you live your life in such a way to make sure that your life or another's is not prematurely ended.

RIP Jerry, the world will not be the same without you.
And Mary, I wish you the best of luck, genuinely. You have a second chance at life and I hope you take it and learn from this mistake.
John Montauk

AOL

#173 Jun 10, 2007
I really just don't believe it. Where Kristina did you get this info. It was not from the police report which reallty my Dear friends is the only record that matteres. Again anhd Again and Again. No chargeres were filed and will not be ....why!!!!!

Normally you are fault in the State of New York if you make a left hand and cause a accident. EXCEPT if your hit by a motorcyle and it slices a SUV truck chasis clean off at the motor mount and spins the truck around three that why the woman is innocent. The police concluded this guy was driving like a bat out of hell to cause that much damage. The woman had injuries and needed a vice(crowbar) to be removed from the car not jaws of life.So stop with all this guilt trip stuff if you have a problem of the judgement of the police go to court and challange
Since Jerry has passed three more motorcyclists have died or were injured on LI roads. Moral of the story you have young kids think about riding a Harley. Take it up in retirement
S
Kristina wrote:
There is so much to be said, about this accident, but I am going to try to fit it all in one comment. I am flabbergasted by the fact that "grown" people are putting their two cents into something they know nothing about.
To clear the air, and correct John Montauk.
This accident happened on Vets Highway, the same Vets Highway that ENDS miles before the Hamptons.
The accident took place at approximately 1:30, when Jerry was riding his HARLEY home after a 4am to 1pm shift at the Airport, where he worked as a baggage screener. He was on his way home to pick up his young daughters from school, like he did every other day. Jerry was in the right lane, with his friend IN FRONT of him, a car length or so. His girlfriend, was in the left lane, somewhat even with his friend.( I suppose the girlfriends older model Saturn and the friends Beetle were also going 150 miles an hour?, John?) They were all going the speed limit, and Mary pulled out, making that left, right after the two cars passed the intersection but before Jerry made it through. Perhaps she didn't see him, perhaps she couldn't hear the sound of his Harley, but that doesn't mean she is free of fault. Mary did not kill Jerry in cold-blood. But her negligence did kill Jerry.
Mary's car was damaged in the front end only. If this was not a head on collision, why is only the front of her car damaged? Because she HIT Jerry. It's a matter of physics, alone.
Mary did not need to be removed from the car with the Jaws of Life. All she had to do was open her door. She did not do that though, she stayed in the car while Jerry died, while Jerry's friends tried to bring him back, when the police and ambulances arrived, she sat in her car. She was in shock, I'm sure, I would be too knowing that my negligence had just taken a man's life. But she did not leave her car until a police officer approached her and took her to an ambulance to be checked out and for some questioning.
While reading all this reaction to the accident, I wonder if John is talking about ths accident. John, I understand that you are trying to defend Mary, and you have every right to.. but to belittle someone who is a) no longer with us and b) who is of NO FAULT is, frankly, disgusting.
The most important thing we have to learn as a result of this tragedy regardless of anything, is that life is precious. An amazing life was cut short, and perhaps we should put down our boxing gloves and realize that a human being, a beautiful human being with beautiful innocent children, has died. I would hope it would not matter whose "side" you were on, or who you choose to believe, as long as you realize how short life is and you live your life in such a way to make sure that your life or another's is not prematurely ended.
RIP Jerry, the world will not be the same without you.
And Mary, I wish you the best of luck, genuinely. You have a second chance at life and I hope you take it and learn from this mistake.
Rachael

Brooklyn, NY

#175 Jun 11, 2007
John,

Just an FYI to you: the police report is not out yet. It takes at LEAST 3 weeks for the finalization of a fender bender report, nevermind the time it will take for a fatality report. Just get ur self straight and shut the hell up already!!!!!!!!!!
John Montauk wrote:
I really just don't believe it. Where Kristina did you get this info. It was not from the police report which reallty my Dear friends is the only record that matteres. Again anhd Again and Again. No chargeres were filed and will not be ....why!!!!!
Normally you are fault in the State of New York if you make a left hand and cause a accident. EXCEPT if your hit by a motorcyle and it slices a SUV truck chasis clean off at the motor mount and spins the truck around three that why the woman is innocent. The police concluded this guy was driving like a bat out of hell to cause that much damage. The woman had injuries and needed a vice(crowbar) to be removed from the car not jaws of life.So stop with all this guilt trip stuff if you have a problem of the judgement of the police go to court and challange
Since Jerry has passed three more motorcyclists have died or were injured on LI roads. Moral of the story you have young kids think about riding a Harley. Take it up in retirement
S<quoted text>
wiw

Chicopee, MA

#176 Jun 11, 2007
Rachael wrote:
John,
Just an FYI to you: the police report is not out yet. It takes at LEAST 3 weeks for the finalization of a fender bender report, nevermind the time it will take for a fatality report. Just get ur self straight and shut the hell up already!!!!!!!!!!
<quoted text>
There's progress. Used to be five days for an mva report.
david duke

Upton, NY

#177 Jun 12, 2007
you people need a life...
this has been going on tooooo long
bikers cause thier own grief....they dont belong on busy roads,,,,
END OF STORY
LI Hamptons

Long Beach, NY

#179 Jun 18, 2007
Milo Sant Augistne Fl wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Paul I ride a Harley and know the risks. What hit Mary's Suv and literaly cut right through the engine block shearing the car in two was not a Harley but a sport bike which the police estimate was traveling well in excess of 100 mph to do that much damage.
In fact their was not enough left of the bike to determine what it was but we all know Harleys don't travel at these speeds.It was detremined to be an accident by the police.
Now my heart goes out to Jerry's family but their is another victim Mary who I know well she is my cousin and is completely broke down on this unfortunate accident.
Mary and her family have lived generations in the Hamptons and has given her time freely to many charities over the years. She is a well know respected member of the Hamptons community and a wondrful person caught up in a tradegdy. To set the record straight doen't even own a cell phone I know. She knows the roads and is no tourist and has never had a parking ticket in 30 years.
I have driven with her many times and she is a cautious driver.What a complete shame my heart is really in pain over this whole thing.
The speed which the rider approached and the low profile of the bike was the reason no charges were filed it was a terrible ACCIDENT!!!
It certainly given me pause as my bike is outside and I remmeber many close calls. Everytime I get on that thing I never go over 60.This is not a car vs biker issue. Speed kills.
I too know Mary very well. She's a kind, giving woman who wouldn't hurt a fly. She IS a well respected member of the community and it's horrible that Mary and Jerry's world's collided that day. My heart goes out to Jerry's familly. Please know that Mary is sick over this and will probably never recover from this accident. She's a beautiful person that was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
JANINE

United States

#180 Jun 26, 2007
Subject: For my biker friends
>I saw you hug your purse closer to you in the grocery store line.
>But you didn't see me put an extra $10.00 in the collection plate last
>Sunday.
>I saw you pull your child closer when we passed each other on the sidewalk.
>But you didn't see me playing Santa at the local mall.
>I saw you change your mind about going into the restaurant.
>But you didn't see me attending a meeting to raise more money for the
>hurricane relief.
>I saw you roll up your window and shake your head when I drove by.
>But you didn't see me driving behind you when you flicked your cigarette
>butt out the car window.
>I saw you frown at me when I smiled at your children.
>But you didn't see me when I took time off from work to run toys to the
>homeless.
>I saw you stare at my long hair.
>But you didn't see me and my friends cut ten inches off for Locks of Love.
>I saw you roll your eyes at our leather coats and gloves.
>But you didn't see me and my brothers donate our old coats and gloves to
>those that had none.
>I saw you look in fright at my tattoos.
>But you didn't see me cry as my children where born and have their name
>written over and in my heart.
>I saw you change lanes while rushing off to go somewhere.
>But you didn't see me going home to be with my family.
>I saw you complain about how loud and noisy our bikes can be.
>But you didn't see me when you were changing the CD and drifted into my
>lane.
>I saw you yelling at your kids in the car.
>But you didn't see me pat my child's hands, knowing he was safe behind me.
>I saw you reading the newspaper or map as you drove down the road.
>But you didn't see me squeeze my wife's leg when she told me to take the
>next turn.
>I saw you race down the road in the rain.
>But you didn't see me get soaked to the skin so my son could have the car to go on his date.
>I saw you run the yellow light just to save a few minutes of time.
>But you didn't see me trying to turn right
>I saw you cut me off because you needed to be in the lane I was in.
>But you didn't see me leave the road.
>I saw you waiting impatiently for my friends to pass.
>But you didn't see me. I wasn't there.
>I saw you go home to your family.
>But you didn't see me.
>Because, I died that day you cut me off.
>I was just a biker. A person with friends and a family.
>But you didn't see me.
I hope you never loose someone
>that rides.
>>weather is getting better for riders, but ALWAYS assume that they are
>around. Lets help them arrive alive
>
JANINE

United States

#181 Jun 26, 2007
Subject: For my biker friends
>I saw you hug your purse closer to you in the grocery store line.
>But you didn't see me put an extra $10.00 in the collection plate last
>Sunday.
>I saw you pull your child closer when we passed each other on the sidewalk.
>But you didn't see me playing Santa at the local mall.
>I saw you change your mind about going into the restaurant.
>But you didn't see me attending a meeting to raise more money for the
>hurricane relief.
>I saw you roll up your window and shake your head when I drove by.
>But you didn't see me driving behind you when you flicked your cigarette
>butt out the car window.
>I saw you frown at me when I smiled at your children.
>But you didn't see me when I took time off from work to run toys to the
>homeless.
>I saw you stare at my long hair.
>But you didn't see me and my friends cut ten inches off for Locks of Love.
>I saw you roll your eyes at our leather coats and gloves.
>But you didn't see me and my brothers donate our old coats and gloves to
>those that had none.
>I saw you look in fright at my tattoos.
>But you didn't see me cry as my children where born and have their name
>written over and in my heart.
>I saw you change lanes while rushing off to go somewhere.
>But you didn't see me going home to be with my family.
>I saw you complain about how loud and noisy our bikes can be.
>But you didn't see me when you were changing the CD and drifted into my
>lane.
>I saw you yelling at your kids in the car.
>But you didn't see me pat my child's hands, knowing he was safe behind me.
>I saw you reading the newspaper or map as you drove down the road.
>But you didn't see me squeeze my wife's leg when she told me to take the
>next turn.
>I saw you race down the road in the rain.
>But you didn't see me get soaked to the skin so my son could have the car to go on his date.
>I saw you run the yellow light just to save a few minutes of time.
>But you didn't see me trying to turn right
>I saw you cut me off because you needed to be in the lane I was in.
>But you didn't see me leave the road.
>I saw you waiting impatiently for my friends to pass.
>But you didn't see me. I wasn't there.
>I saw you go home to your family.
>But you didn't see me.
>Because, I died that day you cut me off.
>I was just a biker. A person with friends and a family.
>But you didn't see me.
I hope you never loose someone
>that rides.
>>weather is getting better for riders, but ALWAYS assume that they are
>around. Lets help them arrive alive
wiw

Johnston, IA

#182 Jun 26, 2007
I am sure some bikers are nice people. Maybe many are.

But stereotypes die if they are not mostly true.
Jodi

AOL

#183 Jun 26, 2007
I thought there was still some compassion left in this world....apparently not. Guess what folks? Motorcycles are not illegal!!! Those of you who believe that "bikers" don't belong an the road are living in a fantasy land. THERE ARE MOTORCYCLES EVERYWHERE...all different ones, different shapes and sizes, not all bikers are covered in tattoos looking to hurt someone "stereotype" not to mention the elderly on their scooters and mopeds...What is the matter with some of you? JOHN MONTAUK!!!! A terrible, tragic, unexpected accident occured and lives were torn apart!!!! I really truly wish I knew where it is that you get your information from!!! But who cares it is obviously all BS since if you had seen the police report YOU WOULD KNOW HOW TO SPELL THE WORDS!!!!

It will be six weeks since the accident and Friday (06/29) would have been Jerry's 35th birthday!!! Happy Birthday Angel!!!!
JANINE

United States

#184 Jun 27, 2007
HAPPY 1ST BIRTHDAY IN HEAVEN......
Dirty Sanchez

Jamaica, NY

#185 Jun 27, 2007
MYOPINION wrote:
SUV + MOTORCYCLE =_______!
Splat!
Jodi

AOL

#186 Jun 29, 2007
HAPPY BIRTHDAY LOVE!!!!!

FROM ALL OF US
Jodi, Michael, Rachael, Sean, Connie and Penny and all the girls at work!!!!

YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN!!!!! WE MISS AND LOVE YOU!!!!
lol

Durand, MI

#187 Jun 30, 2007
In progress at three thirty - three motorcycle mva on rt 112 south of granny rd. One is stuck under a vehicle. Heavy rescue and helicopter responding.
shutup

Grand Rapids, MI

#188 Jul 14, 2007
I think this whole discussion is stupid.
BE HONEST

Las Vegas, NV

#189 Dec 31, 2009
Gary wrote:
The intersection in question is just a bad spot. I unfortunately saw the aftermath of this accident. The guy on the motorcycle was driving a Ninja and must have been going exceedingly fast.(Hey, lets be real, have you ever seen someone on one of those bikes drive slow?) On the other hand, the stupidy of a driver for making a left hand turn across a lane of traffic when time, opportunity or space does not permit shows a lack of brians on her part. I just feel sorry for the biker's family, to be taken so suddenly is very sad.
Please don't make a silly comments that are not true. The fact is that it was a Harley and he wasn't speeding. The FACT is that the female crossed without looking and killed someone we DEARLY Love and Miss. So please don't say that you saw the aftermath and it wasn't a Harley. Go along your merry way and be blessed that you are alive to enjoy life with your family and friends that love you too! Thank you and I wish nothing but the best for everyone in 2010 :)
Yamaha

New York, NY

#190 Nov 14, 2010
I say any dead motorcycle rider is a good death.

These Motorcycle cowboys do not respect the road.

Cars are king - you 2) wheels should respect the cars.

Driving between cars - you deserve to die on a motorcycle.

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