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There are 332 comments on the NewsChannel5.com Nashville story from Apr 21, 2010, titled Elephant Sanctuary Ousts Co-Founder - NewsChannel 5.com - Nashv.... In it, NewsChannel5.com Nashville reports that:

The co-founder of the internationally-known elephant sanctuary in Hohenwald is off the job.

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Anon

Spring Hill, TN

#1 Apr 23, 2010
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Edmund

United States

#2 Apr 23, 2010
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SadInTX

United States

#3 Apr 26, 2010
What happened to all of the comments?! There were several pages and my own comment is missing as well (posted around April 15). Interestingly, my posting name "SadInTX" was saved in a cookie and showed up here automatically for this post.

What gives? Is is usual policy for this site to delete posts after a set time?
HotJazzFan

Netherlands

#4 Apr 26, 2010
SadInTX wrote:
What happened to all of the comments?! There were several pages and my own comment is missing as well (posted around April 15). Interestingly, my posting name "SadInTX" was saved in a cookie and showed up here automatically for this post.
What gives? Is is usual policy for this site to delete posts after a set time?
When a person comes to believe they are bigger than the issue it's time to remove them. It's not personal, it's business.
EAnne

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

#5 Apr 26, 2010
I do not understand what happened to all of the comments here? Alot of people feel Carol was wrongly removed and still are waiting for answers.
anon

Old Bridge, NJ

#6 Apr 26, 2010
Carol Buckley dreamed this Sanctuary, worked hard to make it come true, all for the love of one elephant, Tarra. She has always put the elephants first, always. Carol's life work with the Sanctuary was never "business"
Concerned

Calabasas, CA

#7 Apr 26, 2010
It really seems that people are afraid of the truth. The papers are not picking up the story, the news stations are not picking up the story, what are they afraid of? It is just too bad that humans are acting out of greed. You know what they say about karhma.
Cali63

Mission Viejo, CA

#8 Apr 27, 2010
HotJazzFan wrote:
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When a person comes to believe they are bigger than the issue it's time to remove them. It's not personal, it's business.
Fair enough, but what does have this have to do with the story or Carol Buckley?

The ONLY issue is the Board of Directors wants to take the Sanctuary in a direction different than its founding principles. The only person standing in their way was Carol, so they made up a false reason to remove her. Do you really think Scott Blais has the gonads to stop them when they begin construction? No, "nice guys" never do, especially if they are distracted looking for the next conquest.
Sandy

Mission Viejo, CA

#9 Apr 27, 2010
For the people who are asking where the posts went, they are still there. It is as if the conversation got started over. All the old posts are still under the topics page underneath where you post comments. Hit the "see all threads".
HotJazzFan

Netherlands

#10 Apr 27, 2010
Cali63 wrote:
<quoted text>Fair enough, but what does have this have to do with the story or Carol Buckley?
The ONLY issue is the Board of Directors wants to take the Sanctuary in a direction different than its founding principles. The only person standing in their way was Carol, so they made up a false reason to remove her. Do you really think Scott Blais has the gonads to stop them when they begin construction? No, "nice guys" never do, especially if they are distracted looking for the next conquest.
Carol got caught up in being Carol; to her credit, she took the sanctuary as far as she could but at some point her expertise reaches it's limits. She drew a line in the sand and was defeated.

There are presidents for this: many individuals have started organizations that began to thrive only to see growth beyond their reach. I've seen it in business, sports, non-profit organizations, and other institutions. She did her thing and she should be proud, but all entities grow to a point where the founder's vision ends.

She made her own bed. I suspect 10 years from now the sanctuary, thriving ever more, will invite her for a visit to honor her accomplishments. But now the dust needs to settle and we should focus on the sanctuary itself and not Carol.

Thanks for the reply.
HotJazzFan

Netherlands

#11 Apr 27, 2010
anon wrote:
Carol Buckley dreamed this Sanctuary, worked hard to make it come true, all for the love of one elephant, Tarra. She has always put the elephants first, always. Carol's life work with the Sanctuary was never "business"
The answer to 99 out of a hundred questions is money. When you say "business" what you refer to is the real world. This was going to happen eventually; better now than later. She should have never engaged in a power struggle; it tarnishes her reputation.

Try to see the bigger picture: it's not about Carol.
Cali63

Mission Viejo, CA

#12 Apr 27, 2010
HotJazzFan wrote:
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Carol got caught up in being Carol; to her credit, she took the sanctuary as far as she could but at some point her expertise reaches it's limits. She drew a line in the sand and was defeated.
There are presidents for this: many individuals have started organizations that began to thrive only to see growth beyond their reach. I've seen it in business, sports, non-profit organizations, and other institutions. She did her thing and she should be proud, but all entities grow to a point where the founder's vision ends.
She made her own bed. I suspect 10 years from now the sanctuary, thriving ever more, will invite her for a visit to honor her accomplishments. But now the dust needs to settle and we should focus on the sanctuary itself and not Carol.
Thanks for the reply.
Where in the world do you come up with a statement like "Carol got caught up in being Carol"? That is a load of jealous BS.

The issue at hand has nothing to do with Carols expertise, it has everything to do with 3 Board members greed. They want to create a facility that goes against the core values of the sanctuary and they & their relatives will profit in doing so.

As for precedents (not presidents), there are just as many where over-eager boards oust a founder only to see the company then fail without the founders vision. In some cases such as Apple, the founder returns and the company returns to prominence, but in many cases, they don't & the organization dies.

But all of that is a moot point because your diatribe on vision is nothing more than a smokescreen to take the focus off the true issue: the Boards agenda. If Carol does not return, I suspect in 10 years the Elephant Sanctuary will resemble Lion Country Safari more than a true Sanctuary. Carol would probably turn down an invitation to such a bastardization of her dream, but I expect you to be first in line to "walk with the elephants".
Cali63

Mission Viejo, CA

#13 Apr 27, 2010
HotJazzFan wrote:
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The answer to 99 out of a hundred questions is money. When you say "business" what you refer to is the real world. This was going to happen eventually; better now than later. She should have never engaged in a power struggle; it tarnishes her reputation.
Try to see the bigger picture: it's not about Carol.
You are partially correct, albeit inadvertantly. It is all about money, but not the way you portray it.

Carol was able to enlist enough people who believed in her dream to support the Sanctuary in its current form. She made the Sanctuary financially stable so they were able to sock away enough money to weather recessions & variances in donations without affecting the elephants. Unfortunately, this money in savings was too attractive to 3 Board members who have an agenda to spend it, with their relatives receiving architect and real estate commissions in the process. Carol was the only person who could stop them from doing this, so thay had to create a way to get rid of her. Thats where you and the P.R firm & the lawyers come in. One of you lies and the others swear to it.

Our picture is crystal clear no matter how much you attempt to distort the reception.
HotJazzFan

Netherlands

#14 Apr 27, 2010
Cali63 wrote:
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Where in the world do you come up with a statement like "Carol got caught up in being Carol"? That is a load of jealous BS.
The issue at hand has nothing to do with Carols expertise, it has everything to do with 3 Board members greed. They want to create a facility that goes against the core values of the sanctuary and they & their relatives will profit in doing so.
As for precedents (not presidents), there are just as many where over-eager boards oust a founder only to see the company then fail without the founders vision. In some cases such as Apple, the founder returns and the company returns to prominence, but in many cases, they don't & the organization dies.
But all of that is a moot point because your diatribe on vision is nothing more than a smokescreen to take the focus off the true issue: the Boards agenda. If Carol does not return, I suspect in 10 years the Elephant Sanctuary will resemble Lion Country Safari more than a true Sanctuary. Carol would probably turn down an invitation to such a bastardization of her dream, but I expect you to be first in line to "walk with the elephants".
Where in the world do you come up with "3 board members" greed"?

What are the core values?

BTW: it's "members'".

What is the "boards" agenda? BTW: it "boards'".

I respect Carol, but her vision grew beyond her abilities. I am objective about this while your views are clouded and biased.

That Carol posts and speaks of herself only proves my point; that you post about Carol and not the sanctuary is further proof.

Nothing involving money is "moot". You need a reality check and you're woefully unprepared to leave the house and join the real world.
HotJazzFan

Netherlands

#15 Apr 27, 2010
Cali63 wrote:
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You are partially correct, albeit inadvertantly. It is all about money, but not the way you portray it.
Carol was able to enlist enough people who believed in her dream to support the Sanctuary in its current form. She made the Sanctuary financially stable so they were able to sock away enough money to weather recessions & variances in donations without affecting the elephants. Unfortunately, this money in savings was too attractive to 3 Board members who have an agenda to spend it, with their relatives receiving architect and real estate commissions in the process. Carol was the only person who could stop them from doing this, so thay had to create a way to get rid of her. Thats where you and the P.R firm & the lawyers come in. One of you lies and the others swear to it.
Our picture is crystal clear no matter how much you attempt to distort the reception.
The problem with your post is you expect us to believe you. You are just posting on a forum, you're not out working to preserve that sacntuary. There is no reason for me to believe you are connected to the facility, Carol, the Board, or anyone else. You're just some angry ranting women (I can tell) that pretends to be closer to the issue than you are.

Again, get a taste of the real world. You need it.
Cali63

Mission Viejo, CA

#16 Apr 27, 2010
HotJazzFan wrote:
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Where in the world do you come up with "3 board members" greed"?
What are the core values?
BTW: it's "members'".
What is the "boards" agenda? BTW: it "boards'".
I respect Carol, but her vision grew beyond her abilities. I am objective about this while your views are clouded and biased.
That Carol posts and speaks of herself only proves my point; that you post about Carol and not the sanctuary is further proof.
Nothing involving money is "moot". You need a reality check and you're woefully unprepared to leave the house and join the real world.
I speak the truth and you do your damnedest to try and spin it so others won't see it. You really don't have the intelligence to accomplish such a task.

You hate Carol Buckley and are jealous of what she has accomplished. That is dripping from every one of your posts, so obvious and in such plain sight. I don't care why you are so envious, that is a you problem.

Carol's firing has nothing to do with the best interests of the elephants or the Sanctuary. It has everything to do with the greed of 3 of the Board members. Like a scoundrel wrapping yourself in the flag, you attempt to use the Sanctuary to legitimize the Boards undefendable actions & agenda.

The Sanctuary was a respite from the real world, something you obviously can't fathom. You and your cohorts are doing everything in your power to corrupt it. That is the true reality check.
HotJazzFan

Netherlands

#17 Apr 27, 2010
Cali63 wrote:
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You are partially correct, albeit inadvertantly. It is all about money, but not the way you portray it.
Carol was able to enlist enough people who believed in her dream to support the Sanctuary in its current form. She made the Sanctuary financially stable so they were able to sock away enough money to weather recessions & variances in donations without affecting the elephants. Unfortunately, this money in savings was too attractive to 3 Board members who have an agenda to spend it, with their relatives receiving architect and real estate commissions in the process. Carol was the only person who could stop them from doing this, so thay had to create a way to get rid of her. Thats where you and the P.R firm & the lawyers come in. One of you lies and the others swear to it.
Our picture is crystal clear no matter how much you attempt to distort the reception.
"Our picture"?

I just spoke with Carol and she's never heard of you.
I also work for NASA and date Pia Zadora.

I'm done with you, phony, sell fiction somewhere else.
Cali63

Mission Viejo, CA

#18 Apr 27, 2010
HotJazzFan wrote:
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The problem with your post is you expect us to believe you. You are just posting on a forum, you're not out working to preserve that sacntuary. There is no reason for me to believe you are connected to the facility, Carol, the Board, or anyone else. You're just some angry ranting women (I can tell) that pretends to be closer to the issue than you are.
Again, get a taste of the real world. You need it.
But Kelly-Anne, you posted previously that I was Carol's brother, now you say I am a woman. Having trouble making up your mind?

Pray tell, how does one "work to preserve that Sanctuary" from the Netherlands? You must have Inspector Gadget arms to reach that far.

The truth I speak has nothing to do with my disposition, the lenght of my posts or my gender. That is what bothers you the most, that no matter how much you attempt to insult me, I continue to counter your false claims with the truth.

You are a sad little troll.
Cali63

Mission Viejo, CA

#19 Apr 27, 2010
HotJazzFan wrote:
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"Our picture"?
I just spoke with Carol and she's never heard of you.
I also work for NASA and date Pia Zadora.
I'm done with you, phony, sell fiction somewhere else.
Pia Zadora? That is a bit of a stretch as a reference. Are you still wearing leggin's to go with your big hair?

Why do all of the Board supporters, when at a loss to intelligentlly counter an argument, attempt to arbitrarily end the discussion? That really is a sign of a lower than average IQ.
Kelly-Anne

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#20 Apr 27, 2010
Cali63 wrote:
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But Kelly-Anne, you posted previously that I was Carol's brother, now you say I am a woman. Having trouble making up your mind?
Pray tell, how does one "work to preserve that Sanctuary" from the Netherlands? You must have Inspector Gadget arms to reach that far.
The truth I speak has nothing to do with my disposition, the lenght of my posts or my gender. That is what bothers you the most, that no matter how much you attempt to insult me, I continue to counter your false claims with the truth.
You are a sad little troll.
Hey, Patrice

Leave me out of this, I said on the other thread "That is all" and I meant it.

PS Glad to see you cleaned up your FB pages.

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