Hobbs Police Department

Hobbs Police Department

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TOPCOP

El Paso, TX

#1 Nov 23, 2008
It appears that because of some people's feelings toward Chief J. D. Sanders, other leadership, and recent shootings or criminal activity that many people are using that as an excuse to target or label the Hobbs Police Department.

Anyone taking the time to get to known the people within the Hobbs Police Department would know that most employees within the police department are excellent, dedicated, honest, faithful, hardworking professionals who go well beyond what should be expected of them to provide the citizens of Hobbs the best possible service within the limitations placed upon them. And they are very good people both on and off the job.

These excellent employee include the Emergency Service Dispatchers, Clerical / Support Staff, Jailers, and Police Officers. Because most people's police department contact is with the police officers, people tend to forget about all the other employees who are the heart of the agency.

This is not to say that the police department does not or can not have some bad employees. Employees of all companies, firms, or agencies are human beings; so it is not always possible to identify the bad apples before they do damage through their acts that reflects on all employees of the department.

When judging the actions of the few bad apples, or the actions you may not like of Chief J. D. Sanders, please do not place all of the employees or the police department itself in with your bad feelings. Please remember that the vast majority of the employees of the Hobbs Police Department are excellent people who sincerely are trying to do the best they can for you.

When you do get an opportunity tell the good people (remember that is most) of the Hobbs Police Department thank you, and that you appreciate what they are doing to help make Hobbs a safer place.
TOPCOP

El Paso, TX

#2 Nov 23, 2008
When judging employees, people need to think about the recklessness and lack of thought that went into these two comments(I'll respond below them):
Just need to Say Murphysboro, IL
Time to call our city leaders and asks them what were they thinking, hiring some unemployed guy from another state. Hire someone who has a job, with what Hobbs can offer we should be able to get someone good. Money talks.
maddog Lovington, NM
What about hiring BOTH a Chief of Police and a City Manager "from the outside"??????????
Niether of these men have any idea what has or is going on in Hobbs. They don't know - they don't care. It's just another job for them - and a pretty good paying job at that.

If you check the employment records and history of police department staff you will learn that the vast majority of the police department is not Hobbs born, raised, and grown. The employment pool for this type of work is not large enough locally to fill the ranks of the Hobbs Police Department. So if you listened to the two individuals above, Hobbs would not have a police department, or it would be extremely small and not very effective.

Judge the individual, not where they came from.

History in Hobbs has proven that insiders are not always the wisest choice for leadership positions. And in fact, Hobbs history has proven that insiders can be more guilty of looking at those positions as just another job or an entitlement, and not having the vision, desire, ability, or experience, training and education to move toward improved methods of working with the community to make the community a better place to live.
TOPCOP

El Paso, TX

#3 Nov 23, 2008
History in Hobbs has also proven that not all outsiders look at those positions as just another job; and can truly get involved and be part of the community. True, honest, dedicated, ethical, effective professionals who sincerely care about the people of the communities they serve and departments they lead do still exist; but they can't survive in Hobbs.

Think about these comments of Hobbs residents related to an outsider:

HOBBS, N.M. About 200 people showed up at the Hobbs City Commission to support the city's fired police chief.

"I have the utmost respect for your officers and they deserve the best tools to do their job wells. Chief is the No. 1 best tool to start with."

"Unfortunately, the real losers in this deal are the citizens of Hobbs. Not only have they lost an upstanding leader for their police force, but also they are left with the problems that Chief tried to clean up.”

“I grew up in Hobbs, N.M. Moved away for a few years, and now back. I don’t know much about the chief, but I can tell you this, he is the first police chief who has ever raised his hand and said ‘hello’ to me, not knowing me from Adam. For that alone I say he deserves to have his job, and deserves to stick up for his employees who work for him. It’s time for that ‘good ol’ boy’ system to end in Hobbs. Maybe Mr. Dible needs to step down himself; let fresh, new, people with good ideas take over.”

"Carl Mackey said he was suspicious of the Chief initially, "considering where he came from."
"But in his first year, he's made believers of the African-American community," he said. "We have had honest dialogue with the police department for the first time in years."

“Last year the City of Hobbs hired a new police chief to address the many issues of the police department. The city did a nationwide search to find a strong leader who could handle that task, and found a very good one who has been doing an excellent job. Why then has the city manager removed him from doing that job because of a management style difference between the two of them? Perhaps the time has come to take a closer look at the city manager and his style or lack thereof.”

"I was very glad when Chief was hired because it would give the City of Hobbs and the Police Department someone new and fresh to take over the reins."

"The citizens of Hobbs have been held hostage to the “good ol’ boy”mentality far too long and it sounds like that is going to happen again. Chief was finally moving the department in a forward position instead of dog paddling the issues. He wasn’t afraid to stand up for the officers and employees of the Police Department, something that has needed to be done for a long time. Chief is a man of honor and principles. He may not be liked by everyone, but he isn’t here to be everyone’s best friend. He was hired to do a job and he is doing a darn good job."

"the entire community was involved in bringing the chief to Hobbs. It seems apparent the city manager was looking for a yes-man. Citizens don’t want the police chief to be in lock step with the city manager or, frankly, the politicians at the helm. They want integrity, courage and responsibility. No one has shown the public Chief didn’t have these qualities. leaving the public without a proven leader in recent violent times is not the management philosophy Hobbs citizens know or want. Disregarding any police officer’s training and experience with a casual brush off —“managerial philosophies”— is unprofessional and just plain wrong.
TOPCOP

El Paso, TX

#4 Nov 23, 2008
Citizens of Hobbs, give Chief Sanders a chance, but demand that he meet with ALL Citizens of Hobbs, so that he understands the wants and desires of the people of this community. Let him understand that the Hobbs Police Department is the Citizens of Hobbs Police Department, and it needs to meet the needs of the City of Hobbs, not the citizens of communities he left behind to come to serve you.

Hobbs Police and City Officials need to remember that the police are the people and the people are the police - community policing, police service to the community, and the police and citizens working together are the only things that will bring safety back to the City of Hobbs.

Police officers are not able to be successful, except with the cooperation of the community and support of the police officers.

Hobbs will never be successful in reducing crime if community policing and working in and with the neighborhoods is replaced with CAT Teams and other elite teams of officers that are above department rules and the laws of New Mexico.---

The Hobbs Police Department has had special street crimes units by various names in the past, and they have never been successful; and in fact caused reduced efficiency and effectiveness of the police department. The units in effect caused the creation of three separate police departments within the police department, all being not as effective because of the environment these special units created.

Police Detectives were unable to investigate cases assigned to them because the special unit withheld information so they could make the arrests. Police Patrol Officers and citizens lives were endangered when Patrol Officers stopped an individual for an unrelated minor offense, not knowing the individual may have been wanted for a very serious crime by the special unit who again wanted the arrest. Large lawsuit settlements were being paid out one after another because of the actions of a few; citizen hostilities toward the entire police department increased because of the actions of a few.

Some of the department insiders who enjoyed the freedoms they had as a member of these special units may be the ones who pushed for the CAT unit. Meet with Chief Sanders to make sure he understands the problems these special units caused Hobbs in the past.

Hobbs will never be successful in reducing crime if community policing and working in and with the neighborhoods is replaced with CAT Teams and other elite teams of officers that are above department rules and the laws of New Mexico.
TOPCOP

El Paso, TX

#5 Nov 23, 2008
And in regard to getting rid of your city jail, that would be a very large mistake; anyone one taking a serious look at the near and long term effects of closing the city jail will realize it will be more costly and inefficient than maintaining a city jail. Remember you are the largest city for over 100 miles in any direction.

With the number of arrests, detentions, and hearings Hobbs has, you better add budget dollars for a lot of police officers that are doing nothing but going back and forth to Lovington. And there are legal issues of handling arrested individuals at the police station until you can process them and make transport. While the city jail needs some updating or even replacement, closing the city jail in the largest city for 100 miles in any direction will be a critcal mistake.

But then again, a Chief who can close your jail and then move on to his next job may not care as long as he can shred the responsibility while he is in charge.

A push by an individual to close your jail without extensive studies and data related to the Hobbs needs and demands makes one wonder if this statement coming true - "I think he's just afraid of being in charge of a jail and is thinking of a way to make his job easier. Why do we pay this man over $100,000 a year if he doesn't want to do his job. None of the Chief's in the past has thought that it was to hard for them to run a jail."

“By October 2006, it had already been demonstrated that an outside applicant was not necessarily the solution to the City of Columbus' police problems,” the complaint stated, referring to Sanders, who came to Columbus from Tennessee and later resigned to take a position with the Franklin, Tenn. police department.
TOPCOP

El Paso, TX

#6 Nov 23, 2008
Apparently your City Manager likes J.D. and what he is doing; because everyone knows that in Hobbs it is the City Manager who has absolute control of Hobbs.

Hobbs will never be successful in reducing crime if community policing and working in and with the neighborhoods is replaced with CAT Teams and other elite teams of officers that are above department rules and the laws of New Mexico.

It sounds like Hobbs is trying to get themselves back into a stipulated agreement. Four lawsuits already filed, including a lawsuit from the police union not wanting to be part of illegal orders and actions? Maybe they remember working under the restrictions of the stipulated agreement; or maybe they just want to do what they are paid to do - protect ALL citizens of Hobbs.

Do the citizens and elected officials of Hobbs remember how expensive the stipulated agreement was? Do the police officers remember how difficult it was to work under the stipulated agreement? Do police administrators remember how difficult it was to manage the stipulated agreement? Refresh your memories and skills, and open up your wallets; because it sure looks like the stipulated agreement is coming back.

The City of Hobbs does not have enough money to hire enough police officers to properly attack your violence and drug issues through the methods of a CAT Team. Such tactics in a community and department the size of Hobbs will only increase community hostilities toward the police, increase successful lawsuits against the police, and decrease effectiveness of the police. The City of Hobbs has some very good and dedicated police officers; but their abilities are limited by policy setters who foget that successful policing, improved quaility of community life, and reduction in crime and violence can only be accomplished through the police and people working together, and the police interacting positively with all citizens of the community.
A Ghost From The Past

El Paso, TX

#7 Dec 3, 2008
"The judge's decision is a total condemnation of the police department's failure to address the very serious and well-substantiated civil rights matters raised in the Johnson lawsuit," said Peter Simonson, Executive Director of the ACLU of New Mexico. "The judge's comments echo what we have felt all along: that the police in Hobbs neither intend to take civil rights complaints seriously, nor even fully appreciate the Constitutional limits on their power. The fact that the police department still doesn't 'get it' after five years of civil litigation should be very worrisome to the people of Hobbs."

It sounds like Hobbs is trying to get themselves back into a stipulated agreement. Four lawsuits already filed, including a lawsuit from the police union not wanting to be part of illegal orders and actions? Maybe they remember working under the restrictions of the stipulated agreement; or maybe they just want to do what they are paid to do - protect ALL citizens of Hobbs.

Judge Vazquez named six officers who, during the 14-month period between July 2001 and September 2002, accounted for over 60 citizen complaints. None of the officers received counseling or retraining, nor were they ever required to consult with superior officers about the abuses.

Hobbs will never be successful in reducing crime if community policing and working in and with the neighborhoods is replaced with CAT Teams and other elite teams of officers that are above department rules and the laws of New Mexico.

"Not all of the officers are to blame for the problems in the department," he noted. "In fact, if you really want to assign blame, look to the Hobbs city councilors. They have simply refused to deal with the problems. The department has a new police chief and a new opportunity to fix things. Hopefully the city council will wake up and support the chief in making the needed changes. Without their backing, he may have a tough time overcoming the factions within the department that are resistant to change."

It sounds like Hobbs is trying to get themselves back into a stipulated agreement. "Hobbs is in trouble with this new Police Chief, the guy is crazy, he's started his own goon squad. Calls them his CAT team, they are nothing but police officers operating outside of the law. If they don't have a reason to pull someone over than they make it up. Haven't we had enough trouble with the Police Department getting the city sued."
Mooche

United States

#8 Dec 18, 2008
Just do your job, send an illegal alien home, today.

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