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fitness-guru

Norman, OK

#47082 Apr 18, 2014
miner49er wrote:
"let those men die in Benghazi"
Saint Ronald Reagan let 299 American soldiers die in Beirut and DID NOTHING!
No, he turned tail and ran.
Still, the air-headed conservatives re-elected Reagan... what dupes they are.
History lesson for right-wingers:
"The Beirut Barracks Bombings (October 23, 1983, in Beirut, Lebanon) occurred during the Lebanese Civil War when two truck bombs struck separate buildings housing United States and French military forces—members of the Multinational Force (MNF) in Lebanon—killing 299 American and French servicemen."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barr...
Reagan wouldn't even let the Marine guards keep a loaded mag in their M16s...
It seems Reagan didn't want to offend his oil-rich Muslim buddies in the Middle East.
And you fools elected him twice...
and this post does what ?
fitness-guru

Norman, OK

#47083 Apr 18, 2014
Innocent Bystander wrote:
<quoted text>
And chocolate will be on sale next week.
ouch.
fitness-guru

Norman, OK

#47084 Apr 18, 2014
75-85 percent of obsama liberals live in a fairyland. that other percent thats missing ... well they are going to the republican/independant/tea bagger this year. and you can bank on it.
Eggs

AOL

#47085 Apr 18, 2014
There is a legend that St. Mary Magdalene, shortly after the resurrection, traveled to Rome and presented the Emperor with a red egg while exclaiming “Christ is risen!" Whether true or not, there has been a tradition in many of the ancient churches of eggs being dyed red and blessed at the Easter service. And today, commercialism has stepped in and given us chocolate eggs. Symbolic? Doubtful. Tasty? Absolutely.
fitness-guru

Norman, OK

#47086 Apr 18, 2014
do you obsama sheep think for one minute you can divert attention to bundy ? here are the issues of the obama failure ... mexican fence climbers, uncontrolled spending, massive unemployment lines, 50 million welfare foodie recipients, middle class clucked because of taxes, inflation, gasoline and energy prices, and the biggest one >> obama is viewed as a puzzzy and everyone around the world walks in his.
fitness-guru

Norman, OK

#47087 Apr 18, 2014
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368369/... in order to get america up anf running this is what you elect. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368369/...
fitness-guru

Norman, OK

#47088 Apr 18, 2014
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/... your people are letting mexicans run wild
John

Philadelphia, PA

#47089 Apr 18, 2014
miner49er wrote:
"let those men die in Benghazi"
Saint Ronald Reagan let 299 American soldiers die in Beirut and DID NOTHING!
No, he turned tail and ran.
Still, the air-headed conservatives re-elected Reagan... what dupes they are.
History lesson for right-wingers:
"The Beirut Barracks Bombings (October 23, 1983, in Beirut, Lebanon) occurred during the Lebanese Civil War when two truck bombs struck separate buildings housing United States and French military forces—members of the Multinational Force (MNF) in Lebanon—killing 299 American and French servicemen."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barr...
Reagan wouldn't even let the Marine guards keep a loaded mag in their M16s...
It seems Reagan didn't want to offend his oil-rich Muslim buddies in the Middle East.
And you fools elected him twice...
you can talk about Reagan till the cows come home. It doesn't excuse Hillary leaving our men to die. Again, you Libs are trying to prove you aren't worse than republicans. What an achievement. You don't try to show you're better, just not worse.

“Comfort the afflicted”

Since: May 13

Afflict the comfortable

#47090 Apr 18, 2014
John wrote:
<quoted text>you can talk about Reagan till the cows come home. It doesn't excuse Hillary leaving our men to die. Again, you Libs are trying to prove you aren't worse than republicans. What an achievement. You don't try to show you're better, just not worse.
Hillary didn't leave anyone to die. You're regurgitating lies. And it's funny because she isn't in office anymore either. Why is she relevant but Bush isn't?
John

Philadelphia, PA

#47091 Apr 18, 2014
miner49er wrote:
"Fairy Reid"
Is that all you got?
You seem to be thinkin' about gay folk a lot...
Are you seeing a counselor for your repressed fantasies?
Or just watching a lot of WWE with those big burly guys clad only in bikini panties?
is that what they wear? I've never watched it. You like it, huh? Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
George

Charleston, WV

#47092 Apr 18, 2014
miner49er wrote:
"That "fee" is actually a fine incurred because they refused to give him a permit after they redistricted the land to protect a tortoise."
No 'fine' has been imposed, Bundy RENTED the land from us, The American People until 1993 when he stopped paying. The Court ordered him to pay damages.
"The case of United States v. Bundy played out over many years in the United States District Court for the District of Nevada. It involved court orders, injunctions, and notices. Bundy argued that the land belongs to the state.[3] The court ruled that the land on which Bundy was grazing his cattle was indeed owned by the federal government, that he had not been paying to use it as he should have been, that Bundy and his cattle were trespassing, and that the government had the right to enforce the injunctions against trespass. The court found that Bundy repeatedly violated the court orders and continued to have his cattle trespass."
Bundy violated the Constitution when he ignored the Order rom the United States District Court for the District of Nevada.
If this was 'Gunsmoke' they'd send the US Marshal Matt Dillon to bring him in.
"According to the case, "On November 3, 1998, the Court issued an order permanently enjoining Bundy from grazing his livestock on the former Bunkerville Allotment ('The Allotment'), and ordering him to remove his livestock no later than November 30, 1998, and pay damages to the United States in the amount of $200 per day per head for any remaining livestock on the allotment after November 30, 1998."
Obama wasn't President in 1998 so you can't blame him.
Again, most right-wingnuts ignore history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff
Call it what you like. He had grazed cattle there for decades and received a permit to do so. Then, the federal government decided they didnt want people grazing cattle there, they wanted the land that has been used by free rangers for more than 100 years, so they could develop that land if they wanted. Whatever their motives the feds decided they wanted the free rangers off the land. They used the excuse of protecting a tortoise to redistrict the land so they could cut off his grazing rights. They refused to give him the permit to graze his cattle. He did anyway like he always has, so the feds imposed a "fee", "fine", penalty", whatever you want to call it in order to try and drive him off the land. He refused to pay the feds and said he would only pay it to the state. IT was never about a tortoise, the government killed many of them on purpose. They let development on other nearby landm clearly showing it had nothing to do with a tortoise other than use it as an excuse to drive him off the land. You obviously know little about free grazers and history. This country was built by people just like him, using public land to graze their cattle(not for a "fee", but for free). Ever see the movie Open Range? How about Lonesome Dove? They portray the realities of free grazers and how these men and women helped build a nation. You can try and portray this guy as a free loader and such, that is what your looney liberal talking heads have told you, but that just isnt the case. This man was wronged by the feds in a land grab and he stood up to them and say F-off.
George

Charleston, WV

#47093 Apr 18, 2014
Mgtn Res wrote:
<quoted text>
9 million jobs? Last week you were claiming 8 million. He certainly has had a good week!! And you still haven't answered the question of how many jobs bills your idol, Fairy Reid, is blocking. And oh by the way, the jobs number is actually about 1.2 million for anybody who cares about the truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_dur...
Next week it will be 15 million. Kinda like the 97% thing. They made up 97%, few days later it was 98%, then 99% of all scientist past, present, and future. These liars just make up whatever numbers help them push their agenda. Honest means nothing as long as the get their way.
miner49er

Seth, WV

#47094 Apr 18, 2014
Let's look at just one of your lies:

"mexican fence climbers"

"If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead. Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

So YOU are just another right=wingnut liar... sad.
miner49er

Seth, WV

#47095 Apr 18, 2014
"Ever see the movie Open Range? How about Lonesome Dove?"

You cite fictional Hollywood movies as evidence?

Weak, dudette.

Facts:

"The Constitution authorizes that:

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States…

So unless Mexico really didn’t cede to the US the land now called Nevada in the Treaty of Hidalgo, I don’t see how the US doesn’t own the federal lands.

In Bundy’s second case in 2013 in federal district court, the US moved for summary judgment, which transferred the burden onto Bundy to show that a dispute of material fact existed. Here, Bundy failed to show that the US does not own the land and that Nevada is in fact the title holder to the disputed land.

While I feel for Bundy, it seems he is really just arguing about what government should control the land upon which his animals graze.

So this whole up-in-arms debacle, it seems, revolves around a dispute as to whether Congress has the power to control the land…given to the US by Mexico. I don’t see how he has a case.

An examination of the history of the lands in question further establishes federal ownership. On May 13, 1846, the United States declared war on Mexico. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (“Treaty”), 9 Stat. 922 (1848), which ended the war, was signed by the United States Congress on February 2, 1848 and ratified by the Mexican Congress on May 25, 1848.

n the Treaty, Mexico ceded [14] land to the United States, including land that is now Nevada. Where Mexico before the Treaty included land that is now California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Texas and Utah, the Treaty drew the new boundary line starting at the Gulf of Mexico, opposite the mouth of the Rio Grande, following the river until the southern boundary of New Mexico, then westward until it touches the first branch of the River Gila River, then westward until it empties into the Colorado River, then to the Pacific Ocean. 9 Stat. 922, 926, Article V; see also Encyclopedia Britannica, Micropedia, 15th ed., vol. 5 at 528. The public lands in Nevada are the property of the United States because the United States has held title to those public lands since 1848, when Mexico ceded the land to the United States."
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fitness-guru

Norman, OK

#47097 Apr 18, 2014
John wrote:
<quoted text>you can talk about Reagan till the cows come home. It doesn't excuse Hillary leaving our men to die. Again, you Libs are trying to prove you aren't worse than republicans. What an achievement. You don't try to show you're better, just not worse.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/06/politics/bengha... the facts under oath. http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/06/politics/bengha...
fitness-guru

Norman, OK

#47098 Apr 18, 2014
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/ci... hillary/obama let those men die.
kam

Philadelphia, PA

#47099 Apr 18, 2014
Yes
George

Charleston, WV

#47100 Apr 18, 2014
miner49er wrote:
"Ever see the movie Open Range? How about Lonesome Dove?"
You cite fictional Hollywood movies as evidence?
Weak, dudette.
Facts:
"The Constitution authorizes that:
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States…
So unless Mexico really didn’t cede to the US the land now called Nevada in the Treaty of Hidalgo, I don’t see how the US doesn’t own the federal lands.
In Bundy’s second case in 2013 in federal district court, the US moved for summary judgment, which transferred the burden onto Bundy to show that a dispute of material fact existed. Here, Bundy failed to show that the US does not own the land and that Nevada is in fact the title holder to the disputed land.
While I feel for Bundy, it seems he is really just arguing about what government should control the land upon which his animals graze.
So this whole up-in-arms debacle, it seems, revolves around a dispute as to whether Congress has the power to control the land…given to the US by Mexico. I don’t see how he has a case.
An examination of the history of the lands in question further establishes federal ownership. On May 13, 1846, the United States declared war on Mexico. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (“Treaty”), 9 Stat. 922 (1848), which ended the war, was signed by the United States Congress on February 2, 1848 and ratified by the Mexican Congress on May 25, 1848.
n the Treaty, Mexico ceded [14] land to the United States, including land that is now Nevada. Where Mexico before the Treaty included land that is now California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Texas and Utah, the Treaty drew the new boundary line starting at the Gulf of Mexico, opposite the mouth of the Rio Grande, following the river until the southern boundary of New Mexico, then westward until it touches the first branch of the River Gila River, then westward until it empties into the Colorado River, then to the Pacific Ocean. 9 Stat. 922, 926, Article V; see also Encyclopedia Britannica, Micropedia, 15th ed., vol. 5 at 528. The public lands in Nevada are the property of the United States because the United States has held title to those public lands since 1848, when Mexico ceded the land to the United States."
They are movies but are representations of free range cattle grazing at the time. You obviously know nothing about it other than what your liberal talking heads told you. F0r more than 100 years people free grazed their cattle and poof, the FEDS decided they wanted the land and kicked the grazer off using a "tortoise". I bet if it was you, you would also be very upset and the political shenanigans that ended up harming you livelihood and stealing public land.

“Comfort the afflicted”

Since: May 13

Afflict the comfortable

#47101 Apr 18, 2014
George wrote:
<quoted text>Call it what you like. He had grazed cattle there for decades and received a permit to do so. Then, the federal government decided they didnt want people grazing cattle there, they wanted the land that has been used by free rangers for more than 100 years, so they could develop that land if they wanted. Whatever their motives the feds decided they wanted the free rangers off the land. They used the excuse of protecting a tortoise to redistrict the land so they could cut off his grazing rights. They refused to give him the permit to graze his cattle. He did anyway like he always has, so the feds imposed a "fee", "fine", penalty", whatever you want to call it in order to try and drive him off the land. He refused to pay the feds and said he would only pay it to the state. IT was never about a tortoise, the government killed many of them on purpose. They let development on other nearby landm clearly showing it had nothing to do with a tortoise other than use it as an excuse to drive him off the land. You obviously know little about free grazers and history. This country was built by people just like him, using public land to graze their cattle(not for a "fee", but for free). Ever see the movie Open Range? How about Lonesome Dove? They portray the realities of free grazers and how these men and women helped build a nation. You can try and portray this guy as a free loader and such, that is what your looney liberal talking heads have told you, but that just isnt the case. This man was wronged by the feds in a land grab and he stood up to them and say F-off.
I'm still trying to figure out how you can do a "land grab" of your own land. But on Mount Bullshit where George lives, fantasy IS reality. It's where 93 million Americans have already been kicked off their insurance by Obama.

“Comfort the afflicted”

Since: May 13

Afflict the comfortable

#47102 Apr 18, 2014
George wrote:
<quoted text>They are movies but are representations of free range cattle grazing at the time. You obviously know nothing about it other than what your liberal talking heads told you. F0r more than 100 years people free grazed their cattle and poof, the FEDS decided they wanted the land and kicked the grazer off using a "tortoise". I bet if it was you, you would also be very upset and the political shenanigans that ended up harming you livelihood and stealing public land.
No, they kicked all free grazers off. All the other ranchers pay their bills. Why is he different again?

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