Kadner: Battles for mayor form in Cre...

Kadner: Battles for mayor form in Crestwood, Oak Lawn

There are 87 comments on the The Southtown Star story from Sep 7, 2012, titled Kadner: Battles for mayor form in Crestwood, Oak Lawn. In it, The Southtown Star reports that:

Those two campaigns promise to be among the most volatile during the April 13 municipal elections because they threaten longstanding political interests.

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what

Palos Hills, IL

#41 Sep 9, 2012
Move Forward wrote:
<quoted text>I would hope he would move it forward. He is a lifelong resident, he is highly educated and has a successful business in town for many years. What is wrong with that?
Now you are going to boast about Toscas and the lawsuits and how he will use his legal knowledge to go through them. But he really hurt himself with the article. How can a citizen trust Toscas is the guy if he is unable to obtain the legal bills he is requesting? You mean to tell me we are to trust an attorney who just sat back when he was unable to obtain the documents? If he had taken any type of action he would have said so in the article. How then are we to trust he will direct the village in the right direction?
This is not a shot at Toscas but a true question from a 37 year resident. I have to agree with the other guy Toscas should know how to obtain any document he wants as an elected official. And what will Toscas do when he obtains the bills? Will he go over them and if he finds any discrepancies what then will he do?
We need new leadership. We need someone who is going to work for the people and in trying times he has to put his neck on the line and push forward not run to the newspaper and complain he is not getting documents he is requesting. Had he filed a lawsuit I believe a lot of people would have jumped on his band wagon. It shows to us he is afraid to stand up for what he believes in or is hesitant to take action even if that action is against the majority.
Maybe we do need someone who is not in politics and not beholden to anyone to come in and take over. Someone who is not afraid to do the right thing even if the majority of the board is against it. We need someone who is not afraid to stand up when no one else will. So far from what I see Toscas has not shown me this. Yes he did get them to post an agenda and take minutes on Tuesday meeting and good for him but we need more than that to prove he will stand up for the residents even if it proves unpopular among the other elected officials or when no one else will stand up for us. We need someone who will not accept status quo because he is afraid it may hurt him politically. Is there such a person? So far according to the article he is no different than Presta.
He has sat idly by and been eerily quiet for over a year. Voting no on every vote just to vote no does not cut it. It is grandstanding at best. When a person stands up and says I will stand up for the betterment of the resident no matter what and put politics 2nd to the residents that person will have my vote. So far it is politics as usual.
Listen your lying through your teeth when you say he sat back and did nothing. He has done more then anyone else. Your a liar and you claiming your lies as facts and there wrong.
The facts are that he himself can not file a lawsuit to get that info. The attorney general has to file that suit and her office has been notified dozens of times since he's been a trustee. The attorney generals office will not bother with something small like that when their going after them for the water scandal. So learn your facts and stop posting your lies and garbage if you don't know what your talking about. Your talking about a guy who doing anything that is allowed legally to get info out to the public that's why they finally after 40 years started to actually have LEAGAL meetings instead of ILLEGAL meetings. For 40 years they never even knew how a meeting should be held in accordance of the law. Instead of talking about the guys who has helped us you should be talking about Presta and what he is doing to help the VIP shield the truth from us. Stop your lies!!!
what

Palos Hills, IL

#42 Sep 9, 2012
Move Forward wrote:
<quoted text>Every vote counts. When you vote no just to vote no does not impress most educated citizens. When you vote no without any explanation at all really does not impress the residents. A real leader would cast his lone vote and explain why he voted no. That would really impress the residents even if he was out voted. His silence has a lot of people questioning his silence. I have attend some meeting and have never heard Toscas ever once mention paramedics. I am going to call the fire department and Trace ambulance tomorrow and find out what happened. One thing i dont understand is why do we have fire department ambulances and also use other companies. Is the fire department not qualified too?
Your saying all this and talking about toscas instead of talking about the people that are voting YES on the issues like paying leagal fees and hiding things from the residents. Your not making your points. Why are you not saying what the other trustees are doing and why their voting yes. It's Toscas vs. the rest of the board. He's voting they way the majority of the residents want him to vote. It's weird that your going after toscas instead of the ones that ruined the town.
Move Forward

Blue Island, IL

#43 Sep 9, 2012
what wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen your lying through your teeth when you say he sat back and did nothing. He has done more then anyone else. Your a liar and you claiming your lies as facts and there wrong.
The facts are that he himself can not file a lawsuit to get that info. The attorney general has to file that suit and her office has been notified dozens of times since he's been a trustee. The attorney generals office will not bother with something small like that when their going after them for the water scandal. So learn your facts and stop posting your lies and garbage if you don't know what your talking about. Your talking about a guy who doing anything that is allowed legally to get info out to the public that's why they finally after 40 years started to actually have LEAGAL meetings instead of ILLEGAL meetings. For 40 years they never even knew how a meeting should be held in accordance of the law. Instead of talking about the guys who has helped us you should be talking about Presta and what he is doing to help the VIP shield the truth from us. Stop your lies!!!
First off I am not lying. What has he done? He has said nothing. Why has he not spoke up at meetings. Instead of calling me a liar prove your point with facts not rants calling me a liar. Why recently did Country Club Hills , Sauk Village officials( to name a few) were they allowed to file a lawsuit but Toscas cannot. Please educate me and the general public with facts? Why if he cannot file a lawsuit did he not file FOIA act? Or why did he not have someone else who would be able to file a lawsuit not file. Or why not have a citizen file a FOIA in regards to the legal bill documents? I see all the time the Attorney General winning lawsuits of behalf of citizens for the trivial manner of FOIA. The Attorney General takes this act very seriously Lisa Madigan was just on television 10 days ago touting a victory so I really do not understand where you are coming from. This is about Toscas running for mayor. I want to know what he is going to do as mayor. It appears you are diverting the discussion by bring in the vip and Presta. I know what they did. I want to know what Toscas and the other candidates for mayor are going to do,this thread has focused on Toscas. I praised Toscas for having an agenda posted and minutes taken at meeting. That is very good he did that but very minor when it come to what Toscas is going to do. So far he has made a few minor changes and that is it. He had an opportunity to really do something significant and take real action in obtaining the legal documents and has failed so far by his own admission. He claims he still does not have the documents. Myself and a few neighbors are going to show up at the next meeting and ask for clarification if in fact he has access to the documents like the other guy claims or if not why has he not. That will be on record and if they lie Toscas can on record state the truth. I truly wonder if Toscas would want a person like you defending a voter who is trying to educate himself. Name calling does not win votes.
Move Forward

Blue Island, IL

#44 Sep 9, 2012
what wrote:
<quoted text>
Your saying all this and talking about toscas instead of talking about the people that are voting YES on the issues like paying leagal fees and hiding things from the residents. Your not making your points. Why are you not saying what the other trustees are doing and why their voting yes. It's Toscas vs. the rest of the board. He's voting they way the majority of the residents want him to vote. It's weird that your going after toscas instead of the ones that ruined the town.
Your saying all this and talking about toscas instead of talking about the people that are voting YES on the issues like paying leagal fees and hiding things from the residents. Your not making your points. Why are you not saying what the other trustees are doing and why their voting yes. It's Toscas vs. the rest of the board. He's voting they way the majority of the residents want him to vote. It's weird that your going after toscas instead of the ones that ruined the town.

This thread has focused on Toscas. When other threads bring up other potential candidates names I will then ask what ever questions I may have. Please the majority of the residents do not want Toscas to vote no on everything. We still need to function as a village. What does voting no on everything really prove? Once again educate me.
It seems to me you are making a case that he is grandstanding for political reasons and that is the only reason he votes no
. The other trustees are not running for mayor with the exception of Presta so I do not care about asking them questions about what makes them the best candidate for mayor since they are not running for the position of mayor.
When a thread pops up on Presta I have a ton of questions for him. Until then this is about Toscas..Will you call ne a liar then and say I have no facts when I question Presta? I bet not.

We know why we are in the position we are in and who is responsible. If all of the trustees were running for mayor I would question them. I want to know how since the town is “ruined” as you put it is Toscas as a mayoral candidate going to fix it Is that asking too much to educate myself as a voter? I think not. Please reply like an adult and keep the name calling where it belongs on the playground. I am a long time resident who has a lot invested in this town. How long have you lived here and how much do you have invested?
what

Palos Hills, IL

#45 Sep 9, 2012
Move Forward wrote:
<quoted text>First off I am not lying. What has he done? He has said nothing. Why has he not spoke up at meetings. Instead of calling me a liar prove your point with facts not rants calling me a liar. Why recently did Country Club Hills , Sauk Village officials( to name a few) were they allowed to file a lawsuit but Toscas cannot. Please educate me and the general public with facts? Why if he cannot file a lawsuit did he not file FOIA act? Or why did he not have someone else who would be able to file a lawsuit not file. Or why not have a citizen file a FOIA in regards to the legal bill documents? I see all the time the Attorney General winning lawsuits of behalf of citizens for the trivial manner of FOIA. The Attorney General takes this act very seriously Lisa Madigan was just on television 10 days ago touting a victory so I really do not understand where you are coming from. This is about Toscas running for mayor. I want to know what he is going to do as mayor. It appears you are diverting the discussion by bring in the vip and Presta. I know what they did. I want to know what Toscas and the other candidates for mayor are going to do,this thread has focused on Toscas. I praised Toscas for having an agenda posted and minutes taken at meeting. That is very good he did that but very minor when it come to what Toscas is going to do. So far he has made a few minor changes and that is it. He had an opportunity to really do something significant and take real action in obtaining the legal documents and has failed so far by his own admission. He claims he still does not have the documents. Myself and a few neighbors are going to show up at the next meeting and ask for clarification if in fact he has access to the documents like the other guy claims or if not why has he not. That will be on record and if they lie Toscas can on record state the truth. I truly wonder if Toscas would want a person like you defending a voter who is trying to educate himself. Name calling does not win votes.
it sounds pretty clear that YOU should vote for Lou Presta the guy that really did nothing for us. Good luck see how far that gets you.
Mary - Crestwood

Blue Island, IL

#46 Sep 10, 2012
The real issue is, what has Lou Presta , Stranczek and the rest of the Board done? they put our Village in debt for something they caused. That is reprehensible! The things that John has done in the short time he has been on the Board are more than anyone else could have done. Not following the Open Meetings Act is not a minor thing, it is major. Can you believe that they never posted an agenda or took minutes of the only meetings where anything was discussed? Now, because of John Toscas they are following the law. That is a BIG deal!

I am glad that John Toscas is there fighting for the residents and not poisoning us and spending money we do not have.
Agreed

Naperville, IL

#47 Sep 10, 2012
Mary - Crestwood wrote:
The real issue is, what has Lou Presta , Stranczek and the rest of the Board done? they put our Village in debt for something they caused. That is reprehensible! The things that John has done in the short time he has been on the Board are more than anyone else could have done. Not following the Open Meetings Act is not a minor thing, it is major. Can you believe that they never posted an agenda or took minutes of the only meetings where anything was discussed? Now, because of John Toscas they are following the law. That is a BIG deal!
I am glad that John Toscas is there fighting for the residents and not poisoning us and spending money we do not have.
The mayor and VIP HAVE done more than Toscas has. The mayor and VIP have poisoned us and tried to cover it up. They ALL knew and did nothing to stop it. They voted to pay for the indicited's legal bills that is leading our village to bankruptcy. They continued to pay the police chiefs salary during this whole ordeal and honor her for her years of dedicated service. They have wasted thousands of dollars a month on a P.R. firm.

Need I say more...
Real Questions

United States

#48 Sep 10, 2012
Mary - Crestwood wrote:
The real issue is, what has Lou Presta , Stranczek and the rest of the Board done? they put our Village in debt for something they caused. That is reprehensible! The things that John has done in the short time he has been on the Board are more than anyone else could have done. Not following the Open Meetings Act is not a minor thing, it is major. Can you believe that they never posted an agenda or took minutes of the only meetings where anything was discussed? Now, because of John Toscas they are following the law. That is a BIG deal!
I am glad that John Toscas is there fighting for the residents and not poisoning us and spending money we do not have.
The real issue here is not what Lou Presta,Strancz and the rest of the board has done. We can all AGREE we are in the POSITION we are in because of them we all know that. All you guys keep asking go ask them why are you not asking them? The real answer is with the exception of Presta none of those individuals are running for mayor Toscas is. Your logic is akin too asking President Bush why is the country in the position we are in and what would you do while not asking Obama or Romney what they are going to do to fix our country. Or a doctor while a patient lye's dying in the hospital more concerned of how could the auto make better prevented the person from suffering serious injuries iknstead of treaing the person and saving their life.

Now for the record I jus went to the village hall I asked the clerk how long have they been keeping minutes. The clerk told me they have agendas and minutes on hand from the late 1960's so Toscas had nothing to do with that. The clerk said we can FOIA the minutes for a fee they will make copies. Now it appears Toscas did have something to do with the Tuesday commitee meeting agenda andminutes for that good job. That is what you are suppose to do as far as the ambulance the clerk advised it was the mayor who switched companies not Toscas.

Now let's get to the nitty griddy Stop blaming why we are where we are. We know where we are and who is responsible. Tell us what YOU are going to do t fix us and get us back on track. We need a vision and plan not finger pointing. That does not solve our current problem Anyone can point fingers not everyone can present a clear and concise plan ato move the village ahead and get us back on track. Is that asking to much from any mayoral candidate? By the way as far as I am concerned take the last name out of the equation. I feel no matter what the last name they will be or should be held to the same standard.

u should

Blue Island, IL

#49 Sep 10, 2012
Real Questions wrote:
<quoted text>The real issue here is not what Lou Presta,Strancz and the rest of the board has done. We can all AGREE we are in the POSITION we are in because of them we all know that. All you guys keep asking go ask them why are you not asking them? The real answer is with the exception of Presta none of those individuals are running for mayor Toscas is. Your logic is akin too asking President Bush why is the country in the position we are in and what would you do while not asking Obama or Romney what they are going to do to fix our country. Or a doctor while a patient lye's dying in the hospital more concerned of how could the auto make better prevented the person from suffering serious injuries iknstead of treaing the person and saving their life.

Now for the record I jus went to the village hall I asked the clerk how long have they been keeping minutes. The clerk told me they have agendas and minutes on hand from the late 1960's so Toscas had nothing to do with that. The clerk said we can FOIA the minutes for a fee they will make copies. Now it appears Toscas did have something to do with the Tuesday commitee meeting agenda andminutes for that good job. That is what you are suppose to do as far as the ambulance the clerk advised it was the mayor who switched companies not Toscas.

Now let's get to the nitty griddy Stop blaming why we are where we are. We know where we are and who is responsible. Tell us what YOU are going to do t fix us and get us back on track. We need a vision and plan not finger pointing. That does not solve our current problem Anyone can point fingers not everyone can present a clear and concise plan ato move the village ahead and get us back on track. Is that asking to much from any mayoral candidate? By the way as far as I am concerned take the last name out of the equation. I feel no matter what the last name they will be or should be held to the same standard.
You should ask Toscas YOURSELF what his plans are and what he has done, not come on topix and blast a guy that IS working for us. AND you really need to stop asking the people that Toscas and his party are running against for your information, if you ask one side and not the other you only get half the story right?. It seems a little stupid to go to someone's opponent and ask what he did or didn't do. Your problem is your getting your info from ONE side of the electorate. Answer me this. How many times have you asked John Toscas these questions you pretend to know so much about. Go to first hand sources for you info you get better results. You should stop posting until you talk to him.
wonder

United States

#50 Sep 10, 2012
Who are the trustees backing?
What Gives

Chicago, IL

#51 Sep 11, 2012
We didnt ask questions from the last two mayorla candidates, now we ask a candidate and we are chastised for that. What gives?
Great Job Lou

Chicago, IL

#52 Sep 14, 2012
Great job Lou. What a great idea to host a job fair. It just goes to show you do have the best interest of the residents. trying to find jobs is a great idea. Why has this not been done before? No other elected offical ever has done this for us. You are a great guy.
Great Job Lou

Chicago, IL

#54 Sep 14, 2012
bad job lou wrote:
<quoted text>
Too bad he helped poison the residents. Way to toot your own horn Lou we all know it's u posting this. Ur a failure!!!!
Oh John we all know it is you responding. I am not Lou. We had a bet here on our block how long before YOU JOHN would respond and blame Lou for poisoning anyone. So far there has been no proof, evidence, facts or data to back your unsubstantiated claim of anyone poisoning anybody. As a matter of fact both the CDC and the EPA have said there is no way of proving the water caused any cancer. If you have solid proof post it otherwise it is just your own opinion, hypothesis or theory. You are going to use this as your platform so now is the time to put up or shut up. By the way we know when something is posted on Topix your phone alerts you.
Great Job Lou

Chicago, IL

#55 Sep 14, 2012
Ring ring. Whats that sound? It is John's phone alerting him someone has just posted on Crestwood Topix.
sorry

United States

#56 Sep 14, 2012
Great Job Lou wrote:
Ring ring. Whats that sound? It is John's phone alerting him someone has just posted on Crestwood Topix.
No Lou, maybe it is a joke to you about you role with the water but to the rest of the residents it's their top priority. Now My name is Jim and I post here all the time because I'm making it my personal goal to see that someone like you never has a role in this town again. And trust me there are plenty of people that will tell it just like I will.
Lifer

Midlothian, IL

#57 Sep 14, 2012
Great Job Lou wrote:
<quoted text>Oh John we all know it is you responding. I am not Lou. We had a bet here on our block how long before YOU JOHN would respond and blame Lou for poisoning anyone. So far there has been no proof, evidence, facts or data to back your unsubstantiated claim of anyone poisoning anybody. As a matter of fact both the CDC and the EPA have said there is no way of proving the water caused any cancer. If you have solid proof post it otherwise it is just your own opinion, hypothesis or theory. You are going to use this as your platform so now is the time to put up or shut up. By the way we know when something is posted on Topix your phone alerts you.
I've drank the water for forty years. Every day of my life and now at 44 I have a rare form of kidney cancer unheard of in a man my age.
Please stop defending the guilty and ignorant and embrace John. A man of character who can bring honesty and professionalism to this town.
Fat Slob

Chicago, IL

#58 Sep 14, 2012
Lifer wrote:
<quoted text>
I've drank the water for forty years. Every day of my life and now at 44 I have a rare form of kidney cancer unheard of in a man my age.
Please stop defending the guilty and ignorant and embrace John. A man of character who can bring honesty and professionalism to this town.
That fat slob could not do anything. He does not know what honesty and professionalsim is. That potato nose greek malaka will lose this election.
No VIP

Midlothian, IL

#59 Sep 16, 2012
Great Job Lou wrote:
Great job Lou. What a great idea to host a job fair. It just goes to show you do have the best interest of the residents. trying to find jobs is a great idea. Why has this not been done before? No other elected offical ever has done this for us. You are a great guy.
Great idea Lou? It was the 60 grand a year p.r. frim that told Crestwood to have a job fair to try and make us look good.Look around v.h c.c new paint flowers lipstick on a pig. Two of the three parks have been fixed up.All this was done because the p.r frim told the village to look good but Beauty is skin deep.
No Anyone

Chicago, IL

#60 Sep 17, 2012
No VIP wrote:
<quoted text> Great idea Lou? It was the 60 grand a year p.r. frim that told Crestwood to have a job fair to try and make us look good.Look around v.h c.c new paint flowers lipstick on a pig. Two of the three parks have been fixed up.All this was done because the p.r frim told the village to look good but Beauty is skin deep.
I can nt believe we do not have 1 trustee on the board who was smart enough to come up with a job fair on their own. It took a PR firm to tell them this. The sad part is two current trustee's are running for mayor. This si not the type of people we want running our town if either one is not smart enough to think of a job fair on their own. We need a complete independant candidate. Sad real sad we have to pay a PR firm to try and create jobs for our residents because our trustee's were not in touch enough with the residents to see the need for jobs in this town is important.
John for Mayor

Blue Island, IL

#61 Sep 19, 2012
I think that tough times call for tough leaders and John Toscas has clearly shown that he is willing to make tough and unpopular decisions if he feels they are right.

Take for example his leadership role in opening up Medicaid to hundreds of thousands of prisoners in Illinois jails and prisons. As a member of the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority, John made a motion to endorse a plan that opened the door for jailed prisoners to collect Medicaid payments. That wasn't the most popular thing around and more than a few people objected to any plan that would let hundreds of thousands of prisoners collect taxpayer funded medicaid. But John believed in those prisoners enough to introduce the motion to approve that plan despite the cost to taxpayers and the unpopularity of opening up the wallets of Illinois' more wealthy people to the less fortunate who are behind bars.

Or how about the lifetime achievement award that John proposed giving to the judge who ignored Cook County Prosecutor Anita Alvarez pleas and declared four convicted rapists and murders innocent, overturning a verdict reached by a jury! That was a tough decision on John's part and certainly not a popular one. The family of the young woman who was brutally gang raped and murdered sure didn't like it. But John was tough enough to ignore their blather and do what he felt in his heart was the right thing.

This is the kind of leadership this Village needs. We need a man who won't let other peoples dumb ideas and stupid concerns stand in the way of advancing the changes he feels are necessary.

John's determination to take this Village in a new direction is also clearly personified in the slate he has put together. Look at his excellent selection of Gary Carr to run for trustee on his slate. Gary is not only a sworn police officer, he also sells legal services to the same folks he arrests. While critics point out that this is clearly in violation of the Universal Code of Ethics for Police Officers, Gary has the guts to ignore such criticism and bravely continue working both ends of the justice system.

Locking prisoners up and setting them free demonstrates the forward thinking we need in our leaders and demonstrates the strong and smart entrepreneurial skills that Carr will bring to Crestwood's police department.

if you think for minute that John would pick a wimp to run on his slate, think again! Gary testified against his former police chief accusing him of racism and uttering racial epitets in a sworn affidavit. That takes guts my friends! The same kind of guts Gary showed when he continued all the way to the appellate court in his own lawsuit against the Village of Willow Springs, after they dared to demote him from his position as a detective and suspend him for 3 days because he lost a stupid gas mask.

Despite having a judge write that Gary's "motives and credibility may be at issue" and losing his own court case, Gary persevered and made the village pay tens of thousands of dollars in attorney and court fees! And so by God, Gary made his point to every taxpayer in Willow Springs!

That's the kind of determination and action we should all want and expect from our leaders. And that is why I am supporting Gary Carr and John Toscas!

There are literally dozens of additional examples of the wonderful works John and his running mates have amassed and I hope to continue to bring them to light as we all work to make John Toscas and his slate the new leaders of Crest wood!

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