#20050 Jul 27, 2013
This guy is awesome. For real.
#20051 Jul 27, 2013
What is wrong with white people. LoL.
Since: Nov 12
#20052 Jul 27, 2013
Okay, serious question, no hidden agenda - what policies do you think need to be followed to get us out of this mess - regardless of what party you hold responsible for the current situation. Do you have a top three of policies you would institute if you had the power to do so? I am sincerely asking because I find your condemnation of both what you refer to as RWW and LWW policies interesting.
#20053 Jul 27, 2013
Fair enough - here's your answer.
1. I am simply using the same logic that blames Obama for Benghazi. If Obama is responsible, Bush is too. If we now want to agree that Obama and Bush were "victims" of circumstances - I'll agree to that.
2. The Saudi Dictatorship,(a part which is the bin Laden clan), are the primary financiers and supporters globally for the radical and violent Sunni Wahhabi Muslims, and Al Queda.
The Saudis continue to financially and logistically support the Wahhabis,, Al Queda and the Taliban, in a Faustian bargain to get the Radicals to leave the Saudi Dictatorship alone.
While claiming the need to kidnap, detain, and torture, sometimes torture people to death, those close to terrorists, to claim noncustodial interviews of actual family members and associates of the person who recruited, sponsored, trained, and supervised 09/11, is nonsensical.
Let's face it - money and power talk.
3. Your argument about the planes of course surrenders the point that the White House authorized the Saudis (the country that actually sponsored the terrorists), and the bin Ladens specifically, to fly their jets home, at the same time all private planes in U.S. airspace were grounded unless monitored by military air traffic control and Air Force Fighters at the time.
4. A history teacher at The Citadel once told a group of us:
- History is about failure and success;
- Smart People learn from their mistakes;
- Really Smart People learn for other people's mistakes;
- Really, Really Smart People learn from their's and other people's mistakes and successes; and
- Idiots don't care about history.
Every time I see a post where someone wants to repeat the lunacy that was our last 2 Right Wing Wacko administrations - I try to point out that Really Really Smart People learn from history and ....
5. First, effect of the debt on deficits is interesting, but not related to my post.
By the way - you miss the best argument of all, for Right Wingers, that being that much of the cut in the Bush deficit Obama has achieved results from the low interest rates save Obama a ton of money, that otherwise would be addled to the deficit, because it costs less to finance the debt
As to the debt itself-
Obviously deficits and debt can be measured using raw numbers, "equivalent" numbers (value in 2013 Dollars); you can use "adjusted" numbers (returning "including off-budget debt), or you can use percentage of GNP with raw, equivalent, or adjusted numbers.
Having said all that, the point is simple- Right Wingers - despite all their hot air- in modern history - have never balanced the budget, and using raw numbers, Reagan tripled the deficit, and Bush took us from a balanced budget to a $ 1.4 Trillion Dollar annual deficit, and doubled the debt.
All this is simply to try to get some reality back into the discussion. Right Wingers, having failed to do so, cannot claim to be financially better at managing the budget than Left Wingers, so they should just stop making the lunatic and false claim.
Every rational objective measure of economic circumstances demonstrates Obama has been a million times better for the economy than Bush. If Obama doubles the debt, he'll equal Bush on that and he'll still have been proven better by all other measures, especially since he inherited the Great Recession and three wars.
Obama should be impeached, arrested, tried for war crimes, and imprisoned, and Bush should share his cell, but not because he is worse than Bush - but because he is too much like Bush.
is financed primarily with Saudi money. Saudi money sponsors Sunni Wahhabi Muslims - the most radical and violent sect. The bin Ladens violent Much if that money from the bin Ladens. That is hardly surprising since the
#20054 Jul 27, 2013
Want again to read the CBO deficit numbers again ?
Want again to read the CBO debt numbers again ?
Want again to read the Saudi Ambassador and the participants statements about the Saudi flying out while Americans remained grounded ?
Want again to see proof that the Saudis were responsible for 09/11 and that Bush invaded Iraq, not Saudi Arabia ?
Want again to read the Dow Jones average in 2008 and 2013 ?
Want again to see the corporate profit numbers for 2008 and 2013 ?
Want again to read the number of drone strikes and Muslims killed by Bush vs. those killed by Obama ?
Is there no end to the embarrassment you wish to ensure ?
#20056 Jul 27, 2013
Just forget it then.
Since: Nov 12
#20058 Jul 27, 2013
1. I really do not see how you can possibly compare 9/11 to Benghazi - Had the "wall" preventing the CIA and FBI from sharing information not been instituted during the Clinton administration, perhaps those organizations might have put enough pieces together to have stopped the attack, but Bush cannot be held responsible for that. In contrast, Stephens was sent to the consulate in Benghazi that was known to be vulnerable to attack, requests for additional security were denied by the Obama administration, once the attack occurred military assets that were ready to go were told to stand down. And finally, the administration put out a false narrative about a video that the administration knew was false from the beginning but continued with the fiction for weeks. Where is the similarity?
2. I presume you are basing this charge on a Secretary of State memo released through the Wikileaks situation. That may or may not be true, but I fail to see the relevance unless one accepts your nonsense about Bush "allowing" 9/11.
3.FALSE - for the third time, air traffic was resumed on the 13th, the Saudis left on the 13th. There is nothing there. By the way, they weren't jets that were used, a little point, but still wrong.
4. If only the Left would learn from history - the War on Poverty shows that throwing more money at the problem using misguided programs doesn't work, and yet the Left's answer is always "we just haven't spent enough" and they continue that lunacy with education as another example.
5. You're playing word games with the debt/deficit issue. Bottom line is Bush increased the debt by $4.9 trillion in 8 years, Obama has increased it another $6 trillion in 4. That is fiscally irresponsible in any way you wish to look at it. In addition, last year was the first year that the debt exceeded 100% of GDP.
Finally, again you claim Obama's problem is he is too much like Bush. There is no point in even trying to break through that wall.
#20059 Jul 27, 2013
I bet this woman would be ashamed of Obama.
Since: Nov 12
#20060 Jul 27, 2013
I almost posted that earlier. I presume you saw it the same place I did, on the side from the link you posted of that adorable little girl reciting the Pledge and My Country Tis of Thee. It highlights an embarrassing and deplorable facet of our history, but at the same time confirms how far we have come.
#20061 Jul 28, 2013
Too funny, coming from an out-of-context cherry picker of articles, "facts", and above the fray concern.
Speaking of mutual admiration societies,
...there's Synergy who posts fact free laced with personal attacks and cites main stream sites only when it supports a position, otherwise those sites can't be trusted.
...then there's OMTE who's been on an Obama is a Muslim Terrorist rant for more than a week and now is venturing into End-Times Prophecy, but Thank God those posts are not repetative adnausem.
...then there's Big Dave who see a communist conspiracy lurking behind every tree and wonders why it's US policy to support Muslim countires when EVREYONE knows that most of the terrorists (today) are Muslim.
...and how could we forget the Master of Name Changes, Who What When Where Why and it's all just oh so Boring who's been proven wrong so many times that its credibility is in the realm of negative numbers.
Please tell us more about the use of hyperbole, projection, and strawman arguments, y'all have the techniques down pat.
Oh, wait, let's just declare success and move on to the next topic, that's how y'all proceeded time and time and time again.
#20062 Jul 28, 2013
What is amazing is how you don't want to grasp your "rebuttal" concedes every important a point.
You claim Bush cannot be responsible for an attack on American soil involving 19 terrorists, 4 hijacked planes, the killing of 3,000 Americans, and destruction of the WTC and danger to the Pentagon,
but Obama is responsible for an attack in some far away hellhole, on a CIA secret prison, where 2 two paid CIA mercenaries and state department/CIA agents were killed.
Does that logic make sense to even you ?
Your must realize your clinging to disputing whether or not planes were allowed to fly when the the bin Ladens were spirited about, and then from, U.S. jurisdiction, also concedes the point.
Apparently you agree:
- Al Queda, led by Osama bin Laden, hijacked 4 airliners, destroyed the WTC, crashed the jets, killed 3,000 Americans, and damaged the Pentagon;
- bin Laden's family members, and others members of the Saudi Dictatorship family which sponsored and supported Al Queda were in the U.S.
- The bin Ladens and the Dictatorships family have been friends and partners in the oil business with Bush and Cheney for years;
- Bush arranged for FBI protection for bin Laden and the other Dictatorship family members;
- Bush arranged for the bin Ladens and other family members to be whisked from U.S. jurisdiction to safety on Saudi Arabia.
You concede all these points.
Then you want to argue the eyewitness participants who did the protecting and the spiriting away are wrong.
In happy with that.
You also concede that:
- Bush inherited a budget surplus;
- Bush and his Right Wing Policies created huge deficits;
- Bush left us with a $1.4 Trillion Dollar Deficit;
- Bush and his Right Wing policies added $4.9 Trillion Dollars to the national debt,( not counting the $6Trillion "off budget" costs of his wars);
- Bush also left us with the Great Recession, the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression;
- that Obama has cut the Bush $1.4 Trillion Dollar deficit in half;
- that under Obama the Great Recession was ended and a recovery begun.
If you want to argue that, although true, it's not fair to say that Bush doubled the national debt - I'm happy with that.
Your own facts prove that Right Wing policies are disasters.
We are all still waiting for the list of major policy differences between Right Wing Wacko Bush and Right Wing Obama.
There's reasons to dislike Obama's policies - but it sure isn't because they're "liberal".
That's like the list of cuts to Socialist Security and Medicare that should be immediately implemented for those getting benefits now -
it'll never come.
#20063 Jul 28, 2013
You must have a mouse in your pocket to be speaking in the plural.
#20064 Jul 28, 2013
Tell another lie if it makes you feel good about yourself, but you just can't hide the bigotry in your heart. Conservatives are the ONLY people get all their information from one place, to you its FNC, so you just assume others are so narrow minded, we are not. Hardly ever watch CNN and almost never watch MSNBC.
Gays are also on your radar, tell this cute little lady what a piece of trash she is and she will whop your arrogant butt.
#20065 Jul 28, 2013
Why does the US have a policy of supporting Muslim countries when EVERYONE knows that most terrorists (today) are Muslim?
I know, I know,
we'll vote Republican then claim we're not really Republicans, but we vote Republican because Republican have embraced the John Birchers, the Holy Rollers, and every nut case group that stands against anything left of right field.
What's that, you fail to see the connection between these two statements, welcome to Right Wing Wacko World.
#20066 Jul 28, 2013
policy differences between Obama the Hated and Bush the Beloved?
The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 its full name was Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348) was a bill discussed in the 110th United States Congress that would have provided legal status and a path to citizenship for the approximately 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants currently residing in the United States. The bill was portrayed as a compromise between providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and increased border enforcement...
The bill was a compromise based largely on three previous failed immigration reform bills:
The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act (S. 1033), a bill proposed in May 2005 by Senators Ted Kennedy and John McCain, sometimes referred to as the "McCain-Kennedy or McKennedy Bill."
The Comprehensive Enforcement and Immigration Reform Act of 2005 (S. 1438), a bill proposed in July 2005 by Senators John Cornyn and Jon Kyl, sometimes referred to as the "Cornyn-Kyl Bill."
The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 (S. 2611), sponsored by Senator Arlen Specter, which was passed in the Senate in May 2006 but never passed in the House.
The bill's sole sponsor in the Senate was Majority Leader Harry Reid, though it was crafted in large part as a result of efforts by Senators Kennedy, McCain and Kyl, along with Senator Lindsey Graham, and input from President George W. Bush, who strongly supported the bill. For that reason it was referred to in the press by various combinations of these five men's names, most commonly "Kennedy-Kyl". A larger group of senators was involved in creating the bill, sometimes referred to as the 'Gang of 12'. This group included, in addition to the aforementioned senators, Senators Dianne Feinstein, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar and Arlen Specter. Senators Jim DeMint, Jeff Sessions, and David Vitter led the opposition to the bill.
At the same time, the Security Through Regularized Immigration and a Vibrant Economy Act of 2007 was being considered in the United States House of Representatives, although to considerably less public attention.
On June 7, three Senate votes on cloture (a move to end discussion) for the bill failed with the first losing 33-63, the second losing 34-61 and the third losing 45-50. This had been thought by some observers to signal the end of the bill's chances, since on that day, after the first failing vote, Harry Reid had told reporters that, if another vote on cloture failed, "the bill's over with. The bill's gone."
However, at the urging of President Bush, the bill was brought back for discussion in the Senate as bill S. 1639 on June 25. On June 26, a motion to proceed passed the Senate, by a margin of 64-35 (under Senate rules it needed 60 votes). A number of amendments to the bill were considered and rejected. On June 28, the bill failed to get the 60 votes necessary to end debate. The final cloture vote lost 46-53. This effectively ended its chances, and President Bush said he was disappointed at Congress's failure to act on the issue.
#20067 Jul 28, 2013
We'll vote for rich, white, politically connected, corporately owned Republicans- then ignore when they screw the Middle Class.
We'll vote for Right Wing Republican policies that have proven, far beyond dispute, to create huge deficits and increased debt - then ignore when they do.
We'll ignore the fact that less Right Wing policies result in Middle Class growth, budget surpluses,(or at least lower deficits);
As Karl Rove said - Our voters are emotional voters - as long as we can cause fear about God, Guns, and Gays, the Southern White voter will be there for us.
#20068 Jul 28, 2013
Damn you and your cursed facts.
Why, next thing you know, you'll be pointing out that the dreaded, liberal, socialistic, commie ObamaCare is simply a less drastic version of the Republican Health Insurance initiatives, in fact implemented first by Republican presidential candidate Willard M. Romney.
Why, next thing you know, you'll be sarcastically making fun of Republican Senate Leader McConnell, who actually filibustered against his own litigation.
Watching Right Wingers protest against their own policies is truly amusing.
#20069 Jul 28, 2013
She's a piece a trash and she can go to hell. If she runs up and puts her bull dike hands on me, with the intent to "whop" me, then I'll drag that ugly B. Ya know? ;)
#20070 Jul 28, 2013
Well you got your head so far in the damn sand, that it doesn't matter what happens, you'll follow Obama to hell. Obama is not Jesus, dummy. He ain't no "Muhdi" either. He's just a dumb a$$ mixed dude, that can't balance a checkbook. On top of being a radical gay muslim terrorist. Damn you both to hell.
#20071 Jul 28, 2013
Thank God your posts are not repetitive adnausem hyperbole.
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