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Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#15613 Jun 17, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
How many times do you have to have the same facts given to you? Some of those groups took 2 1/2 years to get approved, some STILL haven't been approved after 3 years. Some of those groups lost donations and others lost grants because their status had not been approved - that is money lost through the delays created by the government. That means money that could have been spent presenting the Tea Part point of view and getting information out to voters. AND some of those same people suddenly were facing personal and business audits for the first time in their lives - interesting coincidence, huh. Some of the questions asked (that are not proper) were for lists of donors - then surprise, surprise - political opponents suddenly had that information - like the liberal Propublica. That's illegal - but has anyone been held responsible - nope.
"ProPublica claims IRS agents gave them “nine pending confidential applications of conservative groups” that “were not supposed to be made public.” The site also noted that “no unapproved applications from liberal groups were sent to ProPublica.”
According to the IRS’s own manual, anyone found to have engaged in the “unauthorized disclosure of a return or return information” may be subject to felony charges punishable by a fine of up to $5,000 and five years in prison..."
Prior to the election, pundits were questioning what happened to the Tea Party - well, I guess we know part of that answer now. But I'm sure you think that is just fine.
"Some of those groups", some how this translates into a silencing of the movement. Oh where oh where is the Tea Party, some of the groups ran into a hassle from the IRS.

Never claimed all of the the IRS actions were proper, just taking issue with your hyperbole.

Obama's enemies were silenced, just more overblown BS whined out by the constantly persecuted.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#15614 Jun 17, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Oh, the forgiveness is definitely there, but so is the call to "go forth and sin no more."
And what does forgiveness of sin have to do with helping those who are truly needy as opposed to those who WILL NOT help themselves?
Well, "those who WILL NOT help themselves" could be seen as those who live a life of sin, but then even their sins can be forgiven at the end of their life as we saw on Calgary.

Or, "those who WILL NOT help themselves" could be seen as the once forgiven but who continue to sin, yet continue to seek forgiveness, this could be seen as a dependency issue.

Or, since so many insist that we are guilty of sin simply by being born, we are therefore dependent on Christ for forgiveness, which makes it a dependency issue again. And for a long time we were dependent on the Church for the rules and regulations of those who were worthy of such forgiveness, and still there are churches who wish to retain this power over their congregations.

Or some like to point out that we should be helping those less fortunate directly, or thru a local church, or thru a local charity, or thru national charities, all of which are somehow ever more efficient than working collectively thru government because it is ONLY thru government that we create dependency.

What it comes down to is that Synergy made another stooopid statement, I was extending her "logic" and now you've come along seeking to score points with the failed argument of dependency. It's just a damn shame that we are dependent on others for so much, and it's just plain shameful that some are more dependent than others.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#15615 Jun 17, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
"Some of those groups", some how this translates into a silencing of the movement. Oh where oh where is the Tea Party, some of the groups ran into a hassle from the IRS.
Never claimed all of the the IRS actions were proper, just taking issue with your hyperbole.
Obama's enemies were silenced, just more overblown BS whined out by the constantly persecuted.
That's odd. I read the same post that you read and found it quite factual. Where is the hyperbole?
What I get out of most of your post is just more excuses trying to make the IRS scandal cleaner than it really is. Your saying that you find some of the IRS actions not proper --BUT---. So you think that you can be just a little pregnant?

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#15616 Jun 17, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
"Some of those groups", some how this translates into a silencing of the movement. Oh where oh where is the Tea Party, some of the groups ran into a hassle from the IRS.
Never claimed all of the the IRS actions were proper, just taking issue with your hyperbole.
Obama's enemies were silenced, just more overblown BS whined out by the constantly persecuted.
Show me the hyperbole and I'll address it.

And how would you characterize a "Be on the Look Out" for list that includes (per the IG audit):
Tea Party
Patriots
Constitution
We the People
9/12
"government spending/debt/taxes"
"educating the public"
"criticize the government"

ESPECIALLY that last one "criticize the government" - ever heard of the 1st Amendment?

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#15617 Jun 17, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, "those who WILL NOT help themselves" could be seen as those who live a life of sin, but then even their sins can be forgiven at the end of their life as we saw on Calgary.
Or, "those who WILL NOT help themselves" could be seen as the once forgiven but who continue to sin, yet continue to seek forgiveness, this could be seen as a dependency issue.
Or, since so many insist that we are guilty of sin simply by being born, we are therefore dependent on Christ for forgiveness, which makes it a dependency issue again. And for a long time we were dependent on the Church for the rules and regulations of those who were worthy of such forgiveness, and still there are churches who wish to retain this power over their congregations.
Or some like to point out that we should be helping those less fortunate directly, or thru a local church, or thru a local charity, or thru national charities, all of which are somehow ever more efficient than working collectively thru government because it is ONLY thru government that we create dependency.
What it comes down to is that Synergy made another stooopid statement, I was extending her "logic" and now you've come along seeking to score points with the failed argument of dependency. It's just a damn shame that we are dependent on others for so much, and it's just plain shameful that some are more dependent than others.
The contortions you are having to go through to try and support your argument are painful. The one point I will address is your sarcasm towards the concept of local charity versus an impersonal governmental charity. Probably the most important word there being impersonal. When people work through a local assistance program there is that personal relationship as well as accountability - the person in need is just that, a person, not a number, not a case file.
Informed Opinion

Liberia, Costa Rica

#15618 Jun 17, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>A one party system disguised as a two party system.
Great post.

Whether the American League or the National League wins the World Series only matters to the fans.

The owners only want to make sure that Major League Baseball is the only game in town.

Just like the RNC and the DNC.
Informed Opinion

Liberia, Costa Rica

#15619 Jun 17, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, Lord. Now, on top of everything else, you liked Jimmy Carter??????????
Seriously. I am going to get you some really good help.
Be sure to thank him for the BOAT LIFT. Good Grief. First Miami and now from central FL on down. Yeah! He was GREAT. UGH.

You just make it up as you go.
If anyone had a way of stopping the boat lift that did not involve murdering thousands in the water, or opening an earlier Gitmo at a cost is $1.3 Million a year for thousands of people,(wouldn't that be fun to pay taxes to support - but Right Wingers love to pay taxes), they would have spoken up.

Oh wait ... Right Wingers don't mind wars - we could have invaded Cuba and had the chance to use those ABMs.
Informed Opinion

Liberia, Costa Rica

#15620 Jun 17, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>And you know what? We don't HAVE to BE dependent on foreign oil. You need to talk with your hero about that.
Wait ...

You want to subsidize energy conservation instead of oil companies ?

You want to give tax breaks to those who buy energy efficient Hybrid cars instead of subsidizing 6,000 lb SUVs ?

You want to subsidize those who build small, energy efficient homes instead of subsidizing those McMansions ?

You want to charge oil companies a surplus tax to pay for the 5th Fleet a/k/a the Exxon Mobil "Tanker Support Group" that has costs is Trillions of dollars ?

Do that - and we'll get to be energy independent - don't - and we won't.
Informed Opinion

Liberia, Costa Rica

#15621 Jun 17, 2013
General Robert E Lee wrote:
<quoted text>If Clinton had any guts, oh the hypocrisy of a liberal.
You have to be so far out on the Right Wing that everyone in the world is to your left if you believe Clinton is a Liberal.

Clintons ?

Liberal ?

Yea - that's why Hillary's on the board of WalMart - that's such a liberal socialist commie company.
Informed Opinion

Liberia, Costa Rica

#15622 Jun 17, 2013
every thought wrote:
<quoted text>Wake up conservative, life sitting on the sofa in your front yard is killing your brain. Do you know that oil is not a renewable resource, or are you just concerned about you and not the future people, plants and animals. Emerging nations are taking a lot of oil, the U.S. is still uses the most, but the price is not set here anymore. You might not want to read this but the truth will set you free if you will just look for it. It ain't on FNC or the Rush show.
The U.S. met 83 percent of its energy needs in the first six months of the year, on track to be the highest annual level since 1991!!! The only reason that is happening is because with world oil demand its now profitable to get oil out of the ground in the U.S. The conservative oil man Bush didn't come close. He was to busy trying to "take" oil resource's from Iraq and we all know how that worked out. Do you have any idea just how many lives and how much MONEY it cost for us to not win the oil or the war??.
Fact is U.S. oil output is poised to surpass Saudi Arabia’s in the next decade, making the world’s biggest fuel consumer, the U.S. almost self-reliant and putting it on track to become a net exporter. And we will do it without ruining another nonrenewable resource our environment. You know that thing that gives us fresh air, clean water, plants & animals. The things that keep humans living, food and water.
Use your brain, don't let people with an agenda influence your every thought.
Great post.
Informed Opinion

Liberia, Costa Rica

#15623 Jun 17, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>Speaking of not knowing "jack".... The only reason oil production has increased as it has is thanks to private industry. Production on federal lands has actually fallen - can you say "Keystone Pipeline". The increase is from private lands and state owned lands. But that doesn't stop Obama for trying to take credit for something he not only had nothing to do with, but has actively hindered.
Anyone who takes pride in the increase in annual oil production has lost their mind.

Why in God's name would any rational human being celebrate increasing the rate at which a non-renewable resource is being consumed.

Lord, save us from those who celebrate every defeat we create, because they actually think they enjoyed a victory.
Informed Opinion

Liberia, Costa Rica

#15624 Jun 17, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>First of all I have read your rants and do not understand what all your fussing is about. First you assume that the U.S. was at war to get Iraq's oil. Bush made no real attempt to get their oil and he could have. We don't need their oil to start with. There are several reasons we went into Iraq and oil wasn't one of them. I suggest that you read my post to OTME #15588 and a post to Location Hidden #15589.
Also there is a debate going on that oil is renewable. It is a carbon substance created by the earth. It very well may be a lubricant that is somehow used by the earth. There are oil wells that were fully depleted in the 1940's that are again half full. You really don't think that oil is created by dead dinosaurs do you? If you do then tell me how many dinosaurs does it take to make one barrel of oil? How did the dinosaurs get buried 5 miles under the earths surface? Those animals and plants must have died and piled themselves up 3 miles high to make a lake of oil. Usually dead animals are eaten and then decay and turn to dust. My belief is that oil will be in the earth as long as the earth exist.
Also did you know that Germany produced a huge amount of synthetic fuels and oils during World War II at reasonable cost to take the place of real oil that they couldn't supply enough of to keep fighting the war?
Please, please, please, I beg of you - don't tell us that you teach science at the Right Wing Church School.

In the name of rational, objective, reasoning - please say it ain't so.

Informed Opinion

Liberia, Costa Rica

#15625 Jun 17, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>The liberals don't let facts get in their way. They make it up as they go. The FACT that they STILL support the clueless wonder whom THEY call a president should convince you how out of touch they are.
Lets compare:

Number if illegal self-defeating wars started:

Bush - 3 Obama - 0

Number of Americans killed by terrorists :

Bush - 3.000 Obama - 12

Deficit entering office and leaving:

Bush - inherited a surplus - left with $1.4 Trillion Dollar Deficit.

Obama - inherited $1.4 Trillion Dollar deficit from Bush - has cut Bush's deficit in half.

Number of American troops killed in wars started by them :

Bush - 5,000

Obama - 0

You Right Wingers really want to compare facts ?

If you do - that's prove of Right Wing Wacko mental instability.
guest

United States

#15626 Jun 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, please, please, I beg of you - don't tell us that you teach science at the Right Wing Church School.
In the name of rational, objective, reasoning - please say it ain't so.
I read that post and couldn't believe what I was reading. The blatant and implied ignorance therein is simply astonishing. Unbefreakingleavable!!!

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#15627 Jun 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, please, please, I beg of you - don't tell us that you teach science at the Right Wing Church School.
In the name of rational, objective, reasoning - please say it ain't so.
Scoff if you wish. Do some actual research into this and you will find that the oil companies have been lying abut oil since they started pumping it. How do you get top dollar for everything? You tell people that you had better hurry up before the last one goes. Same with diamonds. There are huge safes filled with diamonds but only a very few are released each year which makes them scarce. This keeps the price of diamonds high. If all the diamonds that they have in those safes were put on the market at one time they wouldn't be worth much more than gravel.
The oil companies get top dollar because they have everyone convinced that that the oil is going to run out. It is a fable to keep the energy companies wealthy. Just look at all the huge oil deposit discoveries that have been made in the last two years. We are not going to run out of oil. The earth keeps creating it 24 hours a day.
I know you will have to think differently about this as you have been taught certain things since you were in kindergarten. How could people teach us something so wrong for our whole lives? Anybody that says different is a nut. We all know that oil comes from dead plants and dead animals, right?
You question everything else then why not question oil.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#15628 Jun 17, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
I read that post and couldn't believe what I was reading. The blatant and implied ignorance therein is simply astonishing. Unbefreakingleavable!!!
Yes, and the world is flat.
OMTE

Kathleen, GA

#15629 Jun 17, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Scoff if you wish. Do some actual research into this and you will find that the oil companies have been lying abut oil since they started pumping it. How do you get top dollar for everything? You tell people that you had better hurry up before the last one goes. Same with diamonds. There are huge safes filled with diamonds but only a very few are released each year which makes them scarce. This keeps the price of diamonds high. If all the diamonds that they have in those safes were put on the market at one time they wouldn't be worth much more than gravel.
The oil companies get top dollar because they have everyone convinced that that the oil is going to run out. It is a fable to keep the energy companies wealthy. Just look at all the huge oil deposit discoveries that have been made in the last two years. We are not going to run out of oil. The earth keeps creating it 24 hours a day.
I know you will have to think differently about this as you have been taught certain things since you were in kindergarten. How could people teach us something so wrong for our whole lives? Anybody that says different is a nut. We all know that oil comes from dead plants and dead animals, right?
You question everything else then why not question oil.
Wow!!!!!! Really?
are you

Jefferson, GA

#15630 Jun 17, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets compare:
Number if illegal self-defeating wars started:
Bush - 3 Obama - 0
Number of Americans killed by terrorists :
Bush - 3.000 Obama - 12
Deficit entering office and leaving:
Bush - inherited a surplus - left with $1.4 Trillion Dollar Deficit.
Obama - inherited $1.4 Trillion Dollar deficit from Bush - has cut Bush's deficit in half.
Number of American troops killed in wars started by them :
Bush - 5,000
Obama - 0
You Right Wingers really want to compare facts ?
If you do - that's prove of Right Wing Wacko mental instability.
Are you that gullible or just a liar?

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#15631 Jun 17, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>I believe Romney was the one that wasn't to keen to facts. That may be why he lost and why the republican/tea party/conservative party will continue to lose. They suck. They're losers. LOL.
I didn't care for Romney, but I had 100% rather have him. All you have is speculation in regard to what kind of president he would have been. With Obama, WE KNEW. There is just no excusing it.
The liberals are out to destroy our country and so far, it's working. If you want to be affiliated with that, well, that's on you. LIberals are lazy communistss and they most definitely SUCK.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#15632 Jun 17, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Speaking of not knowing "jack".... The only reason oil production has increased as it has is thanks to private industry. Production on federal lands has actually fallen - can you say "Keystone Pipeline". The increase is from private lands and state owned lands. But that doesn't stop Obama for trying to take credit for something he not only had nothing to do with, but has actively hindered.
Maybe he'll be GIVEN the Nobel Prize for Oil. rotfl

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