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#13172 May 24, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
"And whether one believes the Earth is 6,000 years old, or 10,000 years old or 4.5 billion years old, it has no bearing on one's political perspective anyway."
And yet politicians pander to groups of people based on various demographics.
And yet the cry went up, "Teach the Controversy".
And yet we never hear you admonish those who claim exclusive knowledge of just who constitutes the True Christian.
Your concern rings hollow.
I was up very late last night and maybe I'm just tired, but I am really missing your point.

I presume this is related to my support of ID. But as I have already stated, I do not support teaching Creationism - opponents prefer to ignore ID's use of science in order to support the claim that ID and Creationism are the same, but they are not.(Can we please NOT get into another debate on this subject)

And I do not recall anyone on here claiming "exclusive knowledge of just who constitutes the True Christian" - point me to it and I'll respond - and if it was based on something I said that inferred such a thing - definitely please point it out because I would definitely want to correct whatever impression I carelessly left.
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#13173 May 24, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>Excuse me, can you please point out anything of substance in that drivel ....anywhere.
Let me take the time to respond in detail.

That would like when I first tried to read the book "Rich Dad - Poor Dad" with my daughter when she was very young.

Try as she might, she couldn't grasp the concepts incorporated therein.

Your mind is rigidly clinging to a false paradigm. You see your enemies as your friends, and your friends as enemies.

It's like it was when I started working a a patrol officer in the projects.
The residents saw me as a threat, instead of a friend.
But, as we interacted, they came to understand that my paycheck was closer to theirs, than to the power brokers in their $30 Million Dollar estates located just a few mikes away;
that we locked up the dealer in front of their apartment so that their kids could play outside safely, not out of any desire to incarcerate one more poor, uneducated, unemployed kid;
that we understood more crime occurred on Wall Street than in their neighborhood, but that all law enforcement is politically based.

They opened their minds and changed the paradigm with which they evaluated the world. They improved their lives by forming alliances with those they truly shared mutual interests.

Until you have opened your mind to a totally different paradigm as to how the economic world works, and why it works the way it does, it would be a waste of time.

Consider:

"Sow for yourselves righteousness,
reap the fruit of unfailing love,
and break up your unplowed ground;
for it is time to seek the Lord,
until he comes
and showers righteousness on you." (Hosea 10:12)

Your mind needs to be tilled, your rigid mental clinging grasp to a false paradigm broken open, your mind opened to the reality that your true loyalties, bonds, and alliances are with your fellow "Serfs", and not with the feudal kings you currently worship.

You'll sometime grasp that while the Right Wing Wackos think theirs is a battle over "values", in reality, as it has been since time immemorial, it about the distribution of wealth and power.

Those with it want to keep it and get more - then without it are impotent when alone.

Glad I could help.

Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#13174 May 24, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>You DO know that Democrats are guilty of doing that, too. Don't you? That is what is so screwed up about you libs, you keep placing all the blame on the Republicans. What about the Democrats who are doing the same thing? Last night I posted a link about that very thing. What did I get from any of you libs? NOTHING. Double standard card.
This is off topic, but why do you keep typing the weird symbols in your posts?
Of course, as I have often said, the frustration with desalting with Right Wing Wackos is that they are so far "off the charts" on the Right Wing - they actually cause the Democrats - who are also Right Wing - of being Leeeeeeeeeeberals.

By moving the center, in their minds to the far right of Barry Goldwater, they poised the well of discourse by creating an artificial reality, where Right Wing Wackos like Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Sarah Palin, etc. are actually considered "credible" , instead of looney tunes.

True "Conservatives", would cringe in horror to see what is claimed to be "Conservative" in 2013.

Teddy Roosevelt would shout in anger that we haven't broken up the investment banks, nationalized the oil companies, and returned to progressive taxation sufficient to minimize the Oligarchies from controlling all wealth and power.

Teddy would want to beat us senseless for not protecting the environment he knew was so important he nationalized millions of acres to protect.

Eisenhower would scream in rage that he warned us that the military-industrial complex would bankrupt the country and lead to needless wars killing our sons for no purpose.

Washington, Hamilton, and Jefferson would want to whip us for allowing the Supreme Court's decision in "Citizens United" to stand. Franklin would tell us we're insane and if we allow corporations to bribe public officials - our "Republic" is already over.

Those were "Conservatives".

Today's are simply tools for the rich and the corporations.

Now you'll attack me for not recognizing there are looney tunes on the left also. But in the real world, they are so few, and so powerless, they're insignificant.

Since: May 13

Ellijay, GA

#13175 May 24, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
I refuse to go into this more than superficially. I would say that having faith and spirituality in something beyond us does NOT preclude one from accepting science and reality.
Taking the Bible too literally is fraught with problems and perils.
While I have no problem with spirituality, I have major problems with organized religion (which is a man-made institution) and blind zealotry.
You're getting kinda judgmental there, aren't you? Isn't that a sin?
God is trumped by nothing. Not science nor Man.

Not the ways of man, the laws of man, the theories of man.
Not the Cause of the day/week/month of man. Not the whims of man.

God is not fodder for a hateful message board. God is not political.

Why is it the Progressive?Communists on this board and other boards, feel this blood lust to talk the subject to death?

You think you're going to shake our faith?
This is treading on dangerous ground.

Since: May 13

Ellijay, GA

#13176 May 24, 2013
Obamas Dream Son, Trayvon Martin, apparently had pics of himself smoking pot and holding a handgun on his cell.
Prosecutors want to show these pictures to a jury.

So I guess he wasn't such a good boy after all.
guest

Talladega, AL

#13177 May 24, 2013
Death Panel wrote:
<quoted text>
God is trumped by nothing. Not science nor Man.
Not the ways of man, the laws of man, the theories of man.
Not the Cause of the day/week/month of man. Not the whims of man.
God is not fodder for a hateful message board. God is not political.
Why is it the Progressive?Communists on this board and other boards, feel this blood lust to talk the subject to death?
You think you're going to shake our faith?
This is treading on dangerous ground.
"Communists"? A dictionary might be helpful for you. Oh just hyperbole.....

"dangerous"? Will you issue a 'fatwah' on those who won't cease and desist?

Since: May 13

Ellijay, GA

#13178 May 24, 2013
Why don't you try just talking TO people, guest?

In NJ, a sting on TGIF's and other drinking establishments has turned up some disturbing and downright dangerous practices.

One TGIF was caught replacing top shelf scotch with rubbing alcohol and caramel coloring and the rest with plain ole dirty water.

Yankees.
Every establishment needs to lose their liquor licenses NOW.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#13179 May 24, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets set aside your "union loathing" for what unions may or may not have become. Is it your position that there are no workers left who might have a major grievance, or a relatively minor one, concerning working conditions or pay compensation for type of work or relative compensation for increased production/profits, as a few examples? Is it your position that workers (labor) are no longer in need of a collective bargaining apparatus to negotiate those grievances?
I do not claim to know the condition of "all workers". What I do know is that while unions performed a vital and heroic job in the past, the conditions under which many American workers labored then has no relation to the condition of the American worker of today. When unions were fighting for the right to organize, they were also fighting for a livable wage, work day limitations and safe working conditions.
The unions of today have long since left such vital considerations behind and instead fight for rules and regulations and narrow job definitions that swell the ranks of the unions while leaving common sense far behind. A problem with a pipe in the water supply - one man could do the job - but ,no - you have to send three - one whose job is to open the pipe, one whose job is to fix the problem, and one whose job is to close the pipe. Is that simplistic, yes - but it happens - and the whole purpose is to maintain jobs at the price of efficiency.
My contention is that just as the Left claims businesses have no concern for the worker - "union bosses" have even less. They would rather see a business declare bankruptcy than make concessions that will keep their members working. What do the union leadership care - they have it made.

Since: May 13

Ellijay, GA

#13180 May 24, 2013
Headline keeps changing by the minute, but a Pakistani airline apparently on fire is being escorted over London by British fighters.

My first *kneejerk reaction is to have suspicion. I hope any innocent people are ok.

*Can you blame me for suspecting terrorism?

Since: May 13

Ellijay, GA

#13181 May 24, 2013
Police have confirmed 2 men have been arrested for endangering the plane BUT and this is a big BUT...

the aircraft was not a target of terrorism.

Whew.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#13182 May 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me take the time to respond in detail.
That would like when I first tried to read the book "Rich Dad - Poor Dad" with my daughter when she was very young.
Try as she might, she couldn't grasp the concepts incorporated therein.
Your mind is rigidly clinging to a false paradigm. You see your enemies as your friends, and your friends as enemies.
It's like it was when I started working a a patrol officer in the projects.
The residents saw me as a threat, instead of a friend.
But, as we interacted, they came to understand that my paycheck was closer to theirs, than to the power brokers in their $30 Million Dollar estates located just a few mikes away;
that we locked up the dealer in front of their apartment so that their kids could play outside safely, not out of any desire to incarcerate one more poor, uneducated, unemployed kid;
that we understood more crime occurred on Wall Street than in their neighborhood, but that all law enforcement is politically based.
They opened their minds and changed the paradigm with which they evaluated the world. They improved their lives by forming alliances with those they truly shared mutual interests.
Until you have opened your mind to a totally different paradigm as to how the economic world works, and why it works the way it does, it would be a waste of time.
Consider:
"Sow for yourselves righteousness,
reap the fruit of unfailing love,
and break up your unplowed ground;
for it is time to seek the Lord,
until he comes
and showers righteousness on you." (Hosea 10:12)
Your mind needs to be tilled, your rigid mental clinging grasp to a false paradigm broken open, your mind opened to the reality that your true loyalties, bonds, and alliances are with your fellow "Serfs", and not with the feudal kings you currently worship.
You'll sometime grasp that while the Right Wing Wackos think theirs is a battle over "values", in reality, as it has been since time immemorial, it about the distribution of wealth and power.
Those with it want to keep it and get more - then without it are impotent when alone.
Glad I could help.
To compare a police officer going into an "unfriendly" neighborhood and gradually breaking down the wall with a union whose leadership is more concerned with their own power and control than they are the actual consequences to their members is an insult to police officers.(And yes, I recognize your position as a [former?] officer - however, I have a child who plans to enter law enforcement within the year, so I feel perfectly within my rights to say so,)

"Your mind needs to be tilled, your rigid mental clinging grasp to a false paradigm broken open, your mind opened to the reality that your true loyalties, bonds, and alliances are with your fellow "Serfs", and not with the feudal kings you currently worship."

The mental rigidity is yours and your worship at the altar of unions is unfortunate.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#13183 May 24, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Where o' where are the cut and paste scolds.
You've done an excellent job of presenting "the controversy" as seen by Answers in Genesis, and showing us once again that the outcome in Dover was correct, Intelligent Desgin is not Science, it's nothing more than rebranded Creationism.
Now I wonder who cares enough to post pages of cut and paste without attribution, from a hidden location, and under a new name, perhaps someone has recouperated, or simply felt compelled...
I can assure you I didn't read it, so I can't tell you whether I agree or not.
guest

Talladega, AL

#13184 May 24, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not claim to know the condition of "all workers". What I do know is that while unions performed a vital and heroic job in the past, the conditions under which many American workers labored then has no relation to the condition of the American worker of today. When unions were fighting for the right to organize, they were also fighting for a livable wage, work day limitations and safe working conditions.
The unions of today have long since left such vital considerations behind and instead fight for rules and regulations and narrow job definitions that swell the ranks of the unions while leaving common sense far behind. A problem with a pipe in the water supply - one man could do the job - but ,no - you have to send three - one whose job is to open the pipe, one whose job is to fix the problem, and one whose job is to close the pipe. Is that simplistic, yes - but it happens - and the whole purpose is to maintain jobs at the price of efficiency.
My contention is that just as the Left claims businesses have no concern for the worker - "union bosses" have even less. They would rather see a business declare bankruptcy than make concessions that will keep their members working. What do the union leadership care - they have it made.
Well you managed to not answer either one of my questions. No matter

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#13185 May 24, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Product costs equal the sum of your
direct materials costs,
direct labor costs
and manufacturing overhead costs.
Management salaries and compensation fall under manufacturing overhead, but this formula only gives you cost for one plant. What of a company running multiple plants, then you've got a whole new layer of manufacturing overhead costs to factor into the cost of a product, and right on up the chain of management with each new layer contributing their own input. Eventually the price of the individual item contains all of the costs mentioned above.
So tell us again about the cost of union labor and how it's solely responsible for robbing other workers.
Why don't you tell me how a person is supposed to earn a living when they can't get into a union? In other words, you've called everyone who isn't a member of a union, a scab. If a person is a plumber and doesn't have the connections to get into a union, how would you have him suppor this family by doing what he knows how to do and NOT be called a scab?

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#13186 May 24, 2013
BS Is Called wrote:
<quoted text>
Some unions are now speaking out against obamacare.
Good! Obama is a world class manipulator and liar. They bought and paid for Obama and now they are getting a dose of what he is. Couldn't be happier.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#13187 May 24, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
I presume this is related to my support of ID. But as I have already stated, I do not support teaching Creationism - opponents prefer to ignore ID's use of science in order to support the claim that ID and Creationism are the same, but they are not.(Can we please NOT get into another debate on this subject)
Yes, I understand your need to end this discussion....

Decision in Kitzmiller v. Dover, by Judge John E. Jones, December 20, 2005
http://ncse.com/files/pub/legal/kitzmiller/hi...
An Objective Observer Would Know that ID and Teaching About “Gaps” and “Problems” in Evolutionary Theory are Creationist, Religious Strategies that Evolved from Earlier Forms of Creationism

The history of the intelligent design movement (hereinafter “IDM”) and the development of the strategy to weaken education of evolution by focusing students on alleged gaps in the theory of evolution is the historical and cultural background against which the Dover School Board acted in adopting the challenged ID Policy.

The court in McLean stated that creation science rested on a “contrived dualism” that recognized only two possible explanations for life, the scientific theory of evolution and biblical creationism, treated the two as mutually exclusive such that “one must either accept the literal interpretation of Genesis or else believe in the godless system of evolution,” and accordingly viewed any critiques of evolution as evidence that necessarily supported biblical creationism. Id. at 1266. The court concluded that creation science “is simply not science” because it depends upon “supernatural intervention,” which cannot be explained by natural causes, or be proven through empirical investigation, and is therefore neither testable nor falsifiable.

Among other reasons, the Supreme Court in Edwards concluded that the challenged statute did not serve the legislature’s professed purposes of encouraging academic freedom and making the science curriculum more comprehensive by “teaching all of the evidence” regarding origins of life because: the state law already allowed schools to teach any scientific theory, which responded to the alleged purpose of academic freedom;

The Supreme Court further held that the belief that a supernatural creator was responsible for the creation of human kind is a religious viewpoint and that the Act at issue “advances a religious doctrine by requiring either the banishment of the theory of evolution from public school classrooms or the presentation of a religious viewpoint that rejects evolution in its entirety.” Therefore, as noted, the import of Edwards is that the Supreme Court made national the prohibition against teaching creation science in the public school system.

The concept of intelligent design (hereinafter “ID”), in its current form, came into existence after the Edwards case was decided in 1987.

We initially note that John Haught, a theologian who testified as an expert witness for Plaintiffs and who has written extensively on the subject of evolution and religion, succinctly explained to the Court that the argument for ID is not a new scientific argument, but is rather an old religious argument for the existence of God. He traced this argument back to at least Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century, who framed the argument as a syllogism: Wherever complex design exists, there must have been a designer; nature is complex; therefore nature must have had an intelligent designer.

Dr. Haught testified that this argument for the existence of God was advanced early in the 19th century by Reverend Paley and defense expert witnesses Behe and Minnich admitted that their argument for ID based on the “purposeful arrangement of parts” is the same one that Paley made for design.
guest

Talladega, AL

#13188 May 24, 2013
Death Panel wrote:
Why don't you try just talking TO people, guest?
In NJ, a sting on TGIF's and other drinking establishments has turned up some disturbing and downright dangerous practices.
One TGIF was caught replacing top shelf scotch with rubbing alcohol and caramel coloring and the rest with plain ole dirty water.
Yankees.
Every establishment needs to lose their liquor licenses NOW.
Do you have reading comprehension issues? I used the first person " you " in both of my comments to you. I think that most folks would consider that talking "TO" someone. However when you toss around "communist" willy nilly like that I must conclude that "YOU" are not worth talking "TO"

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#13189 May 24, 2013
BS Is Called wrote:
Some unions leaders have grown frustrated and angry about what they say are unexpected consequences of the new law – problems that they say could jeopardize the health benefits offered to millions of their members.
It makes an untruth out of what the president said, that if you like your insurance, you could keep it,” said Joe Hansen, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union.“That is not going to be true for millions of workers now.”
Yep! I've been warning IO about the consequences. They are going to be thrown in with the scabs.(We're all scabs according to him. lol Lunatic Liberal.)
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#13190 May 24, 2013
Death Panel wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Obamas Dream Son, Trayvon Martin, apparently had pics of himself smoking pot and holding a handgun on his cell.
Prosecutors want to show these pictures to a jury.
So I guess he wasn't such a good boy after all.
Uhmmm, smoking pot is not a crime in some states and does not carry the stigma that it once did.

Uhmmm, holding a handgun, unless he is a convicted felony this is not a crime because freedom.

Uhmmm, black guy smoking pot, or black guy holding gun, a menace to society.

Since: Nov 12

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#13191 May 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
....
True "Conservatives", would cringe in horror to see what is claimed to be "Conservative" in 2013.
Teddy Roosevelt would shout in anger that we haven't broken up the investment banks, nationalized the oil companies, and returned to progressive taxation sufficient to minimize the Oligarchies from controlling all wealth and power.
Teddy would want to beat us senseless for not protecting the environment he knew was so important he nationalized millions of acres to protect.
.....
Now you'll attack me for not recognizing there are looney tunes on the left also. But in the real world, they are so few, and so powerless, they're insignificant.
Theodore Roosevelt was no conservative, he was among the first of the progressives.
Nationalize the oil companies?- Well, you and Maxine Waters have a lot in common - enough said.
Return -??? to progressive taxation - What - the top 1% paying 35% of the taxes and the top 5% paying
almost 60% of the taxes and the top 10% paying almost 70% of the taxes isn't enough for you? Silly
question - it never is enough for you on the Left, is it?
The government already owns nearly 30% of US land - how much do you think it should control?

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