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formerresident

Decatur, GA

#7521 Apr 23, 2013
Jefferson stood on firm ground. We don't today. There are so many of us, that we are washing our foundation away, tossing paper through the air, trying to address our foundation, which isn't going to work well that way.

Jefferson lived where innovation was core. We live today in a world of fit into the box, or go away.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#7522 Apr 23, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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While it may be easy to understand when we equate government spending to household spending, the reality is that they are not alike at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deficit_spending
Government deficit spending is a central point of controversy in economics, with prominent economists holding differing views.[1] The "mainstream economics" position is that deficit spending is desirable and necessary as part of countercyclical fiscal policy, but that there should not be a structural deficit: run deficits during recessions to compensate for the shortfall in aggregate demand, but run surpluses in boom times so that there is no net deficit over an economic cycle, i.e., only run cyclical deficits. This is derived from Keynesian economics, and gained acceptance (especially in the Anglo-Saxon world) during the period between the Great Depression in the 1930s and post-WWII in the 1950s.
That position is attacked from both sides – advocates of sound finance argue that deficit spending is always bad policy, while some Post-Keynesian economists, particularly Chartalists, argue that deficit spending is necessary, and not only for fiscal stimulus.
Keynesian Effect
Following John Maynard Keynes, many economists recommend deficit spending to moderate or end a recession, especially a severe one. When the economy has high unemployment, an increase in government purchases creates a market for business output, creating income and encouraging increases in consumer spending, which creates further increases in the demand for business output.(This is the multiplier effect). This raises the real gross domestic product (GDP) and the employment of labour, and if all else is constant, lowers the unemployment rate.(The connection between demand for GDP and unemployment is called Okun's Law.)
The increased size of the market, due to government deficits, can further stimulate the economy by raising business profitability and spurring optimism, which encourages private fixed investment in factories, machines, and the like to rise. This accelerator effect stimulates demand further and encourages rising employment. Increase in government payroll has been shown to depress the economy in the long run.[citation needed]
Similarly, running a government surplus or reducing its deficit reduces consumer and business spending and raises unemployment. This can lower the inflation rate. Any use of the government deficit to steer the macro-economy is called fiscal policy.
A deficit does not simply stimulate demand. If private investment is stimulated, that increases the ability of the economy to supply output in the long run. Also, if the government's deficit is spent on such things as infrastructure, basic research, public health, and education, that can also increase potential output in the long run. Finally, the high demand that a government deficit provides may actually allow greater growth of potential supply, following Verdoorn's Law.
There is, however, a danger that deficit spending may create inflation - or encourage existing inflation to persist.(In the United States, this is seen most clearly when Vietnam-war era deficits encouraged inflation.) This is especially true at low unemployment rates (say, below 4% unemployment in the U.S.)....
It would be much better if you thought for yourself and spoke for yourself instead of copying and pasting everything.I could have done that but I gave you my honest assessment of what I thought. Any moron knows that there are differences between the government and economics at home.The governments is huge and uses trick economics.The main point is that you can think up all the economic terms and add all the theoretical aspects that you want and it doesn't change the fact that we are broke. Another fact is that the more money we print the less it is worth and the more inflation will grow. it all comes back to basic budget principles for a plan with no big shot intellectual ideas.
chicknbutt

Douglasville, GA

#7523 Apr 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Here's your obligations according to Jesus - His words - not mine.
You really don't have any idea what Jesus words were. Not one single one.

You MIGHT have an idea of what Mathew, Mark, Luke and Johns words were, after they had been transcribed by hand for generations by people who may or may not have had different agendas, and then translated into English from Hebrew by the Hampton Court Conference, who had their own agenda of responding to the Puritans.--- and that's just an oversimplified version of events.

For example, nobody even knows if Matthew original wrote his gospel in Hebrew or Greek. It's a long convoluted trail with many different people interjecting their own viewpoints into the lost original manuscript.

But Jesus words? We don't know precisely what they were. We have nothing that was written directly by him.
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#7524 Apr 23, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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It would be much better if you thought for yourself and spoke for yourself instead of copying and pasting everything.I could have done that but I gave you my honest assessment of what I thought. Any moron knows that there are differences between the government and economics at home.The governments is huge and uses trick economics.The main point is that you can think up all the economic terms and add all the theoretical aspects that you want and it doesn't change the fact that we are broke. Another fact is that the more money we print the less it is worth and the more inflation will grow. it all comes back to basic budget principles for a plan with no big shot intellectual ideas.
You got it, it is paralysis of analysis. I learned it well!:) The only thing that is going to get us out of this financial debt is income, and the only way to get income is to get back to innovation, and the only way to get to innovation is to learn how to make something out of nothing, or leverage something into something greater. Our biggest stumbling block is not people, it is paper! Layers and layers and layers of paper. And press 1,2,3, the antithesis of innovation.
Our founding fathers were founding...
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#7525 Apr 23, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>Did you ever think about reading the New Testament and actually understanding what it says instead of just picking phrases out and editing them to suit your warped thinking? There are whole stories being told from the beginning to the end, which are meant to be taken in as something meaningful and as common sense lessons to be learned. Not to pick out parts of it here and there.
Actually was required to read the New Testament and the Koran for in college for "Comparative Religion", so yes, I have read both and been tested on them.

Got an A-, thanks.

It's always fun to see how hard Right Wingers go to pretend Jesus wasn't a card carrying, wide-eyed, "Libtard".

Here's the question:

When standing next to those Pearly Gates, and asked to explain why they fought so hard against government programs for food, medical care, and shelter for little children ?

Maybe they could explain only a bleeding heart "Libtard" would support that.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#7526 Apr 23, 2013
columbus native wrote:
<quoted text>What is this "why is everybody picking on me" Don't play the role of a martyr just answer my questions without resorting to some shallow statement TROLL. See you can't explain romney and give some intelligent defining answers to why he should be president. Come on now we are all waiting! You republicans are just pissed we all had to rebuke him from the Whitehouse. By the way the Stock Market has hit record highs, Obama is drawing down troops in Afganistan, cutting a massive bloated defence down to a right size and I could go on and on. All this will bring the deficits down.
Don't bother.

Bush and his Right Wing Tools set fire to the house and that Obama can never put the fire out, repair the damage, and build improvements fast enough to suit them.

Ironically,
we Moderates are annoyed with Obama for being a Right Wing corporate tool; and
the Right Wing Wackos are mad because they've been taught Obama is a Left Winger - a belief which they cling to despite all evidence to the contrary.

That Cognitive Dissonance is just too painful for them.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#7527 Apr 23, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>While it may be easy to understand when we equate government spending to household spending, the reality is that they are not alike at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deficit_spending
Government deficit spending is a central point of controversy in economics, with prominent economists holding differing views.[1] The "infrastructure, basic research, public health, and education, that can also increase potential output in the long run. Finally, the high demand that a government deficit provides may actually allow greater growth of potential supply, following Verdoorn's Law.

There is, however, a danger that deficit spending may create inflation - or encourage existing inflation to persist.(In the United States, this is seen most clearly when Vietnam-war era deficits encouraged inflation.) This is especially true at low unemployment rates (say, below 4% unemployment in the U.S.)....
Great post.

Over the years, no matter how many times Keynes is proven to be correct, some people have to pretend otherwise.

Here's why.

Keynesian Economics requires government maintain sufficient taxes to pay down the national debt when we run a surplus.

That means declining to provide a tax cut when a surplus exists- and instead use the extra government revenues to pay down the debt.

Greedy and selfish Americans demand tax cuts during the good times.

Ronnie Ray-Gun was elected because he told them that selfishness and greed were "good" and validated their egocentrism.

Instead of continuing to pay higher taxes during the boom times to pay down the debt, so the debt can be expanded during recessions, selfish Americans demand tax breaks and prevent the pay down of the debt.

So the debt isn't paid down during boom times as required to make Keynesian Economics work as well as it could.

Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#7528 Apr 23, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>You are a TROLL. You showed your complete ignorance by stating that you were leaving this forum because we were all too dumb for you. Well, HERE YOU ARE! lol You are such a tool. You don't deserve any serious consideration.
What does Romney have to do with ANYTHING? Any statments you make in regards to the type of president he would have been is simply speculation. You have no IDEA the kind of president he would have been. But, one thing is for SURE. YOU voted TWICE for an individual who won't even condemn the members of al Quida. He was asked his opinion of al Quida and he totally skirted the question. Never DID answer it. You think you are so intelligent when in reality you are supported and participating in systematically dismantling this country. Guess what? Democratic Senator Bachus has suddenly decided that he isn't running for reelection. Wonder why? Could it be that a couple of weeks ago he warned that instating Obamacare was going to be a TRAINWRECK? Heck! He helped craft the legislation for Obamacare. ALSO, he broke ranks with fellow democrats and didn't support more background checks for those purchasing guns. The Obama Mean Machine kicked in and now Bachus is OUT after this term. You ignorant liberals are too stupid to see what you are going. Move on, TROLL.
Still calling childish names I see.

I wanna play too.

…if you spoke what's on your mind, you’d be speechless.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#7529 Apr 23, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize that both large and intrusive are completely subjective terms.

Is the government large and intrusive that regulates food processing procedures, or industrial pollution, or work place safety. Perhaps labor relations need to swing back to management whose prime concern is making a profit.
Why, if course we can count on manufacturers looking out for consumer product safety, environmental protection, and workplace safety,

Just remember how the banking industry did such a great job regulating itself.

Jeez.... It's not like the bankers, lied, cheated, stole, and nearly destroyed the economies of the entire industrialized world just so they could explode their corporate profits and personal wealth beyond an average persons wildest dreams.

Oh, wait .......
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#7530 Apr 23, 2013
big deal wrote:
<quoted text>Its a little funny to me, as soon as budget cuts hit the people who can afford to fly,today thats upper middle class and above its a big issue. When its pregnant women, poor Americans and children who should be getting a first class education who have funding cut, not such a big deal.
Great post.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#7531 Apr 23, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>lol He has gotten plenty of passes. For whatever reasons, you just blow them off. I DO believe he was born in Hawaii. He has simply been too clandestine in regard to his past. I think that's been by design.
If you defend what he has done as president, you are not just a liberal, but an EXTREME liberal. If I'm a nut, you are a fool. I had rather be a nut.
What do you mean "if" you're a nut.

Do bears poop in the woods ?

Is the Pope Catholic ?

Is Bush a War Criminal ?

Res Ipsa Loquitur.
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#7532 Apr 23, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>And there was no reason for those cuts to have hit the way they did. A Republican plan to give Obama a far greater degree of discretion was opposed from the start by the Obama White House. There were some Republicans who didn't like it because it gave TOO MUCH power to Obama to choose where the cuts were made. But Obama didn't want it because he wants it to hurt so that he can blame the Republicans for it. That is far more important than any inconveniences Joe Public may face.
Make those cuts hurt as much as possible.

Shut down hospitals, nursing homes, prescription drug benefits, dialysis centers, veterans benefits, etc.

After a few hundred thousand Right Wingers are forced to confront how dependent they are on those socialist programs, maybe they'll rejoin the rest of us on Planet Earth.

A little legitimate suffering would do them good.
Bored

Commerce, GA

#7533 Apr 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>

Here's the question:
When standing next to those Pearly Gates, and asked to explain why they fought so hard against government programs for food, medical care, and shelter for little children ?
Here's a question for the libtards at the pearly gates:
Explain why libtards kill babies in the birth canal and out of the birth canal?
Explain why libtards promote the gay lifestyle and promote gay marriage?
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#7534 Apr 23, 2013
chicknbutt wrote:
<quoted text>You really don't have any idea what Jesus words were. Not one single one.

You MIGHT have an idea of what Mathew, Mark, Luke and Johns words were, after they had been transcribed by hand for generations by people who may or may not have had different agendas, and then translated into English from Hebrew by the Hampton Court Conference, who had their own agenda of responding to the Puritans.--- and that's just an oversimplified version of events.

For example, nobody even knows if Matthew original wrote his gospel in Hebrew or Greek. It's a long convoluted trail with many different people interjecting their own viewpoints into the lost original manuscript.

But Jesus words? We don't know precisely what they were. We have nothing that was written directly by him.
Good point.

But not material.

As long as Right Wingers claim to be "Christians",
and that the Bible is the actual word of God;

It's easy and effective to use those beliefs to demonstrate, from a different perspective, just how self-defeating, hypocritical and nonsensical their selfish and egocentric positions are.
Bored

Commerce, GA

#7535 Apr 23, 2013
Dumb Keynes = dumb libtard.

"President Barack Obama demands more stimulus spending to avoid the "fiscal cliff." Obama increased the national debt $6 trillion to $16 trillion. Yet the Democrats''cure for what ails ya' is even more spending. Obama demands around $75 billion in new spending to stimulate the economy in 2013.

"Keynesian Economics" is the insane belief that the economy can be stimulated by government spending. It provides the excuse to depart from common sense that allows politicians to ignore the alarm bells. It is ludicrous mainly because our government doesn't have any money to spend.

If the government had a surplus saved up, spending actual money might give our economy a short-term sugar high (with dubious long-term results). But our Federal and state governments must first suck money out of the economy by borrowing it.

History has repeatedly proven that this is nonsense. Yet Democrats will not let go of the Keynesian Myth. The government is the center of society, America's modern Democrats want to believe. So they cannot shake the dogma that our entire economy depends upon government spending.

The New Deal was the largest real-world test of the Keynesian Myth in recent history. Franklin Roosevelt's Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau confessed that the "New Deal" was a failure in sworn testimony before Congress on May 9, 1939.

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work."

And FDR's Treasury Secretary also told Congress:

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started.... And an enormous debt to boot!"

The last statement exactly applies to Obama and his dumb libtard supporters.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#7536 Apr 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Still calling childish names I see.
I wanna play too.
…if you spoke what's on your mind, you’d be speechless.
Your smugness is not impressive. So, you took a class in comparative religion(made an A-WHO CARES?) and that is supposed to make you some sort of expert, huh? You have bored us to tears with your yammering on and on and NOW you are an expert in religion. Your arrogance is completely underwhelming. You can take all the arguments you have made to "prove" that Jesus was a liberal and completely turn them around to support a "conservative" argument. Duh....
Let's take out the Biblical terminology just for the sake of simplicity and think about this:
1. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
2. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
3. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich man.
4. You cannot promote unity by inciting class hatred.
5. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

You speak of judgement(YOU are VERY judgemental, Mr. Rligious EXPERT) at the Pearly Gates. I would think that someone as "knowledgable" as you would know that you can't EARN your way into Heaven. You being such an expert and all, I would expect you to know that.
You are such a blowhard. I don't even know why I bothered. You are OBVIOUSY a narcissist and narcissists just will NEVER admit to being wrong.
Bored

Commerce, GA

#7537 Apr 23, 2013
Dumb Libtards = incoherent posts, babblings like infantile terrible 2 year olds, frantic attacks, misnomers, lots of hyperboles, failure to comprehend subjects, and just plain all around dumb.
Bored

Commerce, GA

#7538 Apr 23, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It would be much better if you thought for yourself and spoke for yourself instead of copying and pasting everything.I could have done that but I gave you my honest assessment of what I thought. Any moron knows that there are differences between the government and economics at home.The governments is huge and uses trick economics.The main point is that you can think up all the economic terms and add all the theoretical aspects that you want and it doesn't change the fact that we are broke. Another fact is that the more money we print the less it is worth and the more inflation will grow. it all comes back to basic budget principles for a plan with no big shot intellectual ideas.
Libtards have an incapacity to think for themselves. All their thinking is done for them. They follow the socialist line all the way.
If they could think for themselves, they would have voted republican or tea party.
Nope, libtards have a ball and chain on their thoughts called "Obama is my man, live and die by him."

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#7539 Apr 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>

Just remember how the banking industry did such a great job regulating itself.
Jeez.... It's not like the bankers, lied, cheated, stole, and nearly destroyed the economies of the entire industrialized world just so they could explode their corporate profits and personal wealth beyond an average persons wildest dreams.
It's not like banks were forced to make loans to people that couldn't keep up the payments from pressure starting in the Carter administration and steamrolling under the Clinton Justice Dept. It isn't like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bought up many of those loans, bundled them and then sold them to investors. And it isn't as though since FM and FM were government secured, they could get lower interest rates and have lower capital requirements. And it isn't as though the Bush administration questioned the amount of the secondary mortgage market that FM and FM held and suggested stronger regulation, warning of "systematic risk for our financial system". And it isn't as though Barney Frank kept insisting FM and FM were "not facing any kind of financial crisis" and complained that the Bush administration was more concerned about financial safety than housing.
Oh, wait......

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#7540 Apr 23, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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So the debt isn't paid down during boom times as required to make Keynesian Economics work as well as it could.
And that is it in a nutshell, there is ALWAYS some excuse for why Keynesian economics don't work and have never worked. The typical line: "We just didn't spend enough."

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