Scott

Jefferson, GA

#7446 Apr 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegi...
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898).
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Well, Bigdave1, knowing that you are a staunch anti-communist I'm surprised that you would champion anything coming from the mind of a socialist, as many on this board have stated liberal, progressive, socialist, communist, it's all the same thing.
Beyond that little inconsistency, I've got to wonder how much educational value the Pledge of Alligence really has when compared to a class in Civics or American History. Course it has great value for those that put stock in the reciting of words, the wearing of lapel badges, and other public displays of patriotism and piety. As has been stated on these very pages, you can't be an American unless you're willing to take the Pledge, and pity all those unsaved souls who came before it's offical acceptance in 1942.
Well, ok then. Let's just get rid of the Pledge. While we are at it, we can get rid of the American flag and the national anthem. We sure don't want to offend anyone. Maybe your "President" could write an Executive Order that would make it unlawful for anyone to show any kind or pride in his or her country.
prefer

Hiawassee, GA

#7447 Apr 22, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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SO? Why teach children the ABC's as they might learn to read. Why tell children not to play with fire? Why teach children right from wrong? Perhaps to help them not to become criminals when they get older? To actually fit into a society of free people? What is your point?
ABC's so they can function and be productive in today’s society

Playing with fire to protect themselves and others in a caring society.

Right and wrong to protect themselves and others, and keep them out of jail in a civil society.

I think the point is schools should teach children needed skills so they can function in society and form their OWN opinions about such things as saying the Pledge of Allegiance and religious beliefs. A little different than the brain washing used by Hitler, many others in complete control of a people and most religions just to promote their agendas.
Bored

Nashville, TN

#7448 Apr 22, 2013
prefer wrote:
<quoted text>

I think the point is schools should teach children needed skills so they can function in society and form their OWN opinions about such things as saying the Pledge of Allegiance and religious beliefs. A little different than the brain washing used by Hitler, many others in complete control of a people and most religions just to promote their agendas.
The Agenda word is over used.
The only "agenda" most people have is to be able to provide for themselves and their families. All other "agendas" are courtesy of demigods, whether right or left.
Religion is not an "agenda", it is a life of of varying devotions.

Only left wing wackos think religion is an agenda.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#7449 Apr 22, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>
The Agenda word is over used.
The only "agenda" most people have is to be able to provide for themselves and their families. All other "agendas" are courtesy of demigods, whether right or left.
Religion is not an "agenda", it is a life of of varying devotions.
Only left wing wackos think religion is an agenda.
Want to try again?

Definition of AGENDA
1
: a list or outline of things to be considered or done
2
: an underlying often ideological plan or program

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commission
The Great Commission of Christianity is the instruction of the resurrected Jesus Christ to his disciples that they spread his teachings to all the nations of the world. It has become a tenet in Christian theology emphasizing ministry, missionary work, evangelism, and baptism.
first hand

Hiawassee, GA

#7450 Apr 22, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>
The Agenda word is over used.
The only "agenda" most people have is to be able to provide for themselves and their families. All other "agendas" are courtesy of demigods, whether right or left.
Religion is not an "agenda", it is a life of of varying devotions.
Only left wing wackos think religion is an agenda.
If you think the people sitting at the heads of various religious organizations from the top to the local levels don't have an agenda you don't understand the meaning of the word. The local chamber at each meeting has an agenda, as do most meetings that involve more than two people. Back to school for you, the meaning of the word and it only has ONE. "AGENDA, A list or program of things to be done or considered." Next time you are bored try reading, something, anything. Or maybe go to a local meeting and meet other living breathing humans and observe an agenda first hand.

Since: Jul 12

Villa Rica, GA

#7451 Apr 22, 2013
prefer wrote:
<quoted text>
ABC's so they can function and be productive in today’s society
Playing with fire to protect themselves and others in a caring society.
Right and wrong to protect themselves and others, and keep them out of jail in a civil society.
I think the point is schools should teach children needed skills so they can function in society and form their OWN opinions about such things as saying the Pledge of Allegiance and religious beliefs. A little different than the brain washing used by Hitler, many others in complete control of a people and most religions just to promote their agendas.
WOW! You compare The Pledge of Allegiance to Adolf Hitler.
I guess the Boy Scouts oath is also dangerous and will also cause people to become criminals.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#7452 Apr 22, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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WOW! You compare The Pledge of Allegiance to Adolf Hitler.
I guess the Boy Scouts oath is also dangerous and will also cause people to become criminals.
Welcome to the wonderful world of moral relativism. It's a specialty of the Left.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#7453 Apr 22, 2013
dont understand wrote:
<quoted text>I don't understand your gripe, we have freedom of religion. We have military chaplains paid for by the government. You can pray in school, at work anywhere you want. Your problem is you want it all to be about your God. The First Amendment to the country's Constitution states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." It guarantees the free exercise of religion while also preventing the government from establishing a state religion. The Supreme Court has also interpreted this as preventing the government from having any authority in religion.
Its freedom of religion, any religion not just yours. The religions practiced in the United States include Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Baha'i Faith, Buddhism, Hinduism, Janism, Sikhism and the no religion beliefs of Agnostics, Atheists and Humanism. They all play by the same rules, canÂ’t do it in government places, we donÂ’t have a one religion government, thanks to the foresight of our forefathers. The founders of this country came to escape religious percussion. They were running from the one church one specific religious concepts of England. The According to a 2002 survey by the Pew forum, nearly 6 in 10 Americans said that religion plays an important role in their lives. ItÂ’s not just about the Christian religion, itÂ’s all religions. When you are willing to allow all religious to celebrate their religious holidays and beliefs in public places you might have an argument. It would be a nightmare for employers and schools, but who cares.
In 1963, 90% of Americans claimed to be Christians; 2% professed no religious identity. In 2012, the percentage of Christians was closer to 70%; 13% claim no religious identity. Keep pushing intolerance of others and the numbers will continue to fall.
I knew a judge who once said that the way he dealt with Christian requests to use government buildings or property for Christian based events, he'd ask himself what he'd do if the request had come from Muslims.

If if was OK for those who worship Allah then it was fine for Christians.

Of course he made these comments after he retired - after all judges are elected.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#7454 Apr 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, but you can't separate one from the other, Freedon of Reilgion and Freedom from Religion are two sides of the same coin.

When the Supreme Court stopped the reading of daily devotionals over the PA System in my elementary school it did not prohibit public worship, Christians still had numerous churches to attend, but it did disentangle the state from promoting religion.

Perhaps you could explain how public worship is currently prohibited, because I see many doezens of churches within our small community, I see street corner preachers hawking their wares, I see people praying in public, I see the open display of religion on private property during religious holidays, I see religious opinions expressed in the local paper and on public message boards like this.

It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson

Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptists
Jefferson was a smart guy.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#7455 Apr 22, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>The Agenda word is over used.
The only "agenda" most people have is to be able to provide for themselves and their families. All other "agendas" are courtesy of demigods, whether right or left.
Religion is not an "agenda", it is a life of of varying devotions.

Only left wing wackos think religion is an agenda.
Wow - you were actually kinda making sense - then you had to blow it with that last sentence.

Unfortunately for Right Winger - true Christians have to be liberals because Jesus was the ultimate left-wing socialist. It's impossible to be a follower of a left-wing, liberal, socialist commie unless you practice liberalism.

Sorry - that's just the facts.

domino

Winnsboro, SC

#7456 Apr 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow - you were actually kinda making sense - then you had to blow it with that last sentence.
Unfortunately for Right Winger - true Christians have to be liberals because Jesus was the ultimate left-wing socialist. It's impossible to be a follower of a left-wing, liberal, socialist commie unless you practice liberalism.
Sorry - that's just the facts.
You have totally lost your mind. Jesus is against abortions and he certainly is against homosexuals. read your Bible!

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#7457 Apr 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Jefferson was a smart guy.
Yes, and he would be appalled at the direction the party he helped organize has taken. He would be horrified by the growth of the federal government that the Democratic party has encouraged and continues to promote. He was a staunch believer in limited government and believed that government activities should be limited to those activities that are NECESSARY (not "desired") and that the government ALONE could do. He would look at all the aid programs as a threat to the self reliance that all people should strive for. I'm not saying he would be a Republican either, in all likelihood - he would be a Libertarian, but most assuredly NOT a Democrat.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#7458 Apr 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow - you were actually kinda making sense - then you had to blow it with that last sentence.
Unfortunately for Right Winger - true Christians have to be liberals because Jesus was the ultimate left-wing socialist. It's impossible to be a follower of a left-wing, liberal, socialist commie unless you practice liberalism.
Sorry - that's just the facts.
You have written many foolish things on here, but you take the cake when you keep trying to claim that Jesus would be a liberal. To trivialize Jesus in terms of what political bent He would take is insulting. But to look at the positions that a "liberal" would take and to then claim that Jesus would be in agreement is to do nothing but illustrate your ignorance of the Gospel. Make all the arguments you want to support the liberal agenda you are so enamored with, but out of respect for the Christian faith, kindly leave Jesus out of your arguments.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#7459 Apr 22, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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You have written many foolish things on here,...
Ain't that the truth...

Since: Jul 12

Villa Rica, GA

#7460 Apr 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow - you were actually kinda making sense - then you had to blow it with that last sentence.
Unfortunately for Right Winger - true Christians have to be liberals because Jesus was the ultimate left-wing socialist. It's impossible to be a follower of a left-wing, liberal, socialist commie unless you practice liberalism.
Sorry - that's just the facts.
You again prove to the whole world that you do not know the "facts". I suggest that you spend less time at the keyboard typing things that you know nothing about and start reading the New Testament.
OMTE

Nashville, GA

#7461 Apr 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow - you were actually kinda making sense - then you had to blow it with that last sentence.
Unfortunately for Right Winger - true Christians have to be liberals because Jesus was the ultimate left-wing socialist. It's impossible to be a follower of a left-wing, liberal, socialist commie unless you practice liberalism.
Sorry - that's just the facts.
It is foolish to try and label Jesus as anything other than our savior. He is above politics. He is what you're missing.
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#7462 Apr 22, 2013
bigdave, ignorance is bliss.
OMTE

Nashville, GA

#7463 Apr 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I knew a judge who once said that the way he dealt with Christian requests to use government buildings or property for Christian based events, he'd ask himself what he'd do if the request had come from Muslims.
If if was OK for those who worship Allah then it was fine for Christians.
Of course he made these comments after he retired - after all judges are elected.
If he received a request like that from the muslims it would probaly be with the intent to blow the government building up. This is God's country not allahs or muhammad. Didn't one of them appear out of a well?
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#7464 Apr 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Want to try again?
Definition of AGENDA
1
: a list or outline of things to be considered or done
2
: an underlying often ideological plan or program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commission
The Great Commission of Christianity is the instruction of the resurrected Jesus Christ to his disciples that they spread his teachings to all the nations of the world. It has become a tenet in Christian theology emphasizing ministry, missionary work, evangelism, and baptism.
Teacher-Teacher, kiss my fat a**.
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#7465 Apr 22, 2013
first hand wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think the people sitting at the heads of various religious organizations from the top to the local levels don't have an agenda you don't understand the meaning of the word. The local chamber at each meeting has an agenda, as do most meetings that involve more than two people. Back to school for you, the meaning of the word and it only has ONE. "AGENDA, A list or program of things to be done or considered." Next time you are bored try reading, something, anything. Or maybe go to a local meeting and meet other living breathing humans and observe an agenda first hand.
So now we have 2 dumb teachers who wrongly consider religion an agenda.

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