Since: Jul 12

Villa Rica, GA

#5819 Apr 3, 2013
Glorya wrote:
I could post 100s of reasons why Quality healthcare will only be available to those who are wealthy and able to afford a very expensive major medical health insurance plan for you & your family...
If you are poor and a "taker"...you will be amongst the lost & forgotten. Obamacare sucks.
You who believe otherwise, have been duped. BIG TIME.
Let them find out the hard way.

Since: Jul 12

Villa Rica, GA

#5820 Apr 3, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Please
Leave the Right Wing Wackos alone.
They are terrified little parasites who quake in terror that someone will ask them to contribute to the pot from which they slurp.
They are either the folks:
who retired on Social Security and Medicare in 1980, having paid $2,700 into the system and will suck $936,477 from the system,
or
who are 58 years old deadbeats who refuse to pay for their own medical insurance and want to suck our money from our wallets to support them and their families.
No rational, thinking, self-respecting man objects to paying for medical insurance for him and his family, if he can afford it.
No rational, thinking, decent man objects to subsidizing medical insurance for their fellow Americans who can't afford it because we pay for their medical care anyway if they don't have insurance.
So that leaves the Right Wing Deadbeat Wackos, who pretend their refusal to exercise personal responsibility is a requirement - a requirement to be idiotically and obviously selfish and hypocritical.
There you go again.

Since: Jul 12

Villa Rica, GA

#5821 Apr 3, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, you mean health insurance companies exist to maximize profits even if that means they gouge Americans for the highest premiums and pay the minimum benefits.
Me thinks you have been studying capitalism since that is exactly what they are supposed to do - maximize profits by minimizing costs and charging the highest costs possible.
I am shocked, shocked, that an industry based on unfettered capitalism would practice unfettered capitalism.
Why next you'll suggest that the NFL exists, not to provide football entertainment, but to create profit for the football teams.
My shattered heart.
Seriously, can you think of any logical reason we allow medical care insurance companies to profit from the sick and dying.
All other industrialized countries long ago realized how idiotic, counter-productive, and expensive that is, and established "single payer" systems - which, surprise, resulted in much lower health care costs than we have in America.
But, not us, no, we Americans are so proud to be stupid.
Surely you jest! All companies are in business to make money. I tell you what quit your constant complaining about insurance companies and open one up yourself and give medical care for actual cost. Just how long do you think you would be able to cover all these poor sick people? Or better yet give people the insurance coverage for free. After all it is for the common good.

Since: Jul 12

Villa Rica, GA

#5822 Apr 3, 2013
columbus native wrote:
You know all you folks who knew how evil not dumb bush and cheney were, you still have a few crazies on this forum who long for a bush return. It's like those in Waco who got killed and the survivors 10 years later are still mumbling to themselves " David's coming back". David Koresh was to them like bush still is to fanatic republicans. We don't have to worry about these Cult followers atleast for 4 more years. Now they try to keep it together on this forum but the truth is they are burning inside and teir sorry azzes are always wet. Now all you sane intelligent people please remember every 4 years and keep these nuts out of office. Let burn inside and develop all kinds of ailments,they sure do deserve it. Thanks again to all who helped keep GD republicans out of the Whitehouse the last two elections!
Your not posting from jail are you? I thought the Secret Service would have already picked you up.
Doo

Chatsworth, GA

#5823 Apr 4, 2013
Glorya wrote:
<quoted text> We know all people suffer alike. Cancer, disease, & suffering knows no limits. Rich, poor, beautiful, not so beautiful folks suffer the same pain. I am well aware of that. I never said they did not. If you'll read back, it was YOU who started saying mean things first. Never forget who starts an argument. Most folks won't sit back & just take it. Like myself.... I see you've tucked your tail a bit...and I have nothing to gain and certainly nothing to learn by kissing your redneck ass. We'll just leave it at that.
I didn't want lip stick on my but anyways. My wife would be mad. Ha Ha Ha. The point I was trying to make is that the Republican Party acts like they don't even care about working class people or the unfortunate. They want to kill affordable health care, SSI, Medicare and Medicade for Seniors and give tax breaks to the rich. I know people take advantage of the Social programs. I even know a few millionaires that still can't wait to get their SSI check every month. May be fair but looks bad, selfish and greedy. I know health care facilities take adbantage of Medicare and Medicade in the worst kind of way by unnecessasry hospital stays, treatments and tests. It's not just the poor doing bad things. I can not and will not support a party that does things like this. I am for ALL Americans, even the rich, but I think they should play on the same playing feild as the rest of us. You and I both know that they don't. Capital gains and tax loop holes and write offs the hardly pay any.
Doo

Chatsworth, GA

#5824 Apr 4, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny thing I heard Obama on a interview say that he didn't mind people calling it ObamaCare. If he doesn't care why should you?
President Obama is a nice guy and rolls with the flow. The "Affordable Health Care Law" is actually the right name. By poking fun of Obama, slandering him all the time and calling it Obamacare, like Obama was the only one behind the new law is just mislabeling it to something that sounds bad. It's simply not true. Googel "Obamacare" and then Google "Affordable Health Act" and you will see the right wings version and the correct version of what it really says about Patients Rights vs Insurance Companies. You wil find the law is on our side so don't be fooled.
Glorya

Covington, GA

#5825 Apr 4, 2013
Doo wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't want lip stick on my but anyways. My wife would be mad. Ha Ha Ha. The point I was trying to make is that the Republican Party acts like they don't even care about working class people or the unfortunate. They want to kill affordable health care, SSI, Medicare and Medicade for Seniors and give tax breaks to the rich. I know people take advantage of the Social programs. I even know a few millionaires that still can't wait to get their SSI check every month. May be fair but looks bad, selfish and greedy. I know health care facilities take adbantage of Medicare and Medicade in the worst kind of way by unnecessasry hospital stays, treatments and tests. It's not just the poor doing bad things. I can not and will not support a party that does things like this. I am for ALL Americans, even the rich, but I think they should play on the same playing feild as the rest of us. You and I both know that they don't. Capital gains and tax loop holes and write offs the hardly pay any.
I have said for months and months, I blame Capitol Hill. The greed, corruption, immorality of our elected officials is just staggering. The republicans do not care and democrats only pretend to care. I do think it's hard to get ahead in this world, unless born into a wealthy family, or born of educated, working parents who wish the same or more for their children. So, I admire you for being self employed and making a way for your family. In today's world that's no small feat. Never doubt my compassion for the poor and those less fortunate, they deserve a chance, especially the children. I'm sorry if my comments offended you. Stay on this forum long enough, we are apt to be offended by many who disagree with our views. Our bickering and debates may not save the world, but at least we recognize the sad state of our country, economy and want what's best for everyone...
ChicknButt

Douglasville, GA

#5826 Apr 4, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
Just GIVE US A PERCENTAGE. Since you know, take two seconds, type it in and post it.
Like I said, I've responded to this before, directly to one of your posts.

39.6% on income, 39.6% on capital gains.

Those who take the most from our society can afford to pay the most to keep it functioning.

Conversely, I think EVERYBODY (with a few obvious exceptions), needs to pay at least 10%.
Doo

Chatsworth, GA

#5827 Apr 4, 2013
Glorya wrote:
<quoted text> I have said for months and months, I blame Capitol Hill. The greed, corruption, immorality of our elected officials is just staggering. The republicans do not care and democrats only pretend to care. I do think it's hard to get ahead in this world, unless born into a wealthy family, or born of educated, working parents who wish the same or more for their children. So, I admire you for being self employed and making a way for your family. In today's world that's no small feat. Never doubt my compassion for the poor and those less fortunate, they deserve a chance, especially the children. I'm sorry if my comments offended you. Stay on this forum long enough, we are apt to be offended by many who disagree with our views. Our bickering and debates may not save the world, but at least we recognize the sad state of our country, economy and want what's best for everyone...
So true...thanks!
Taker

Commerce, GA

#5828 Apr 4, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, I've responded to this before, directly to one of your posts.
39.6% on income, 39.6% on capital gains.
Those who take the most from our society can afford to pay the most to keep it functioning.
Conversely, I think EVERYBODY (with a few obvious exceptions), needs to pay at least 10%.
And what minimum salary range do your numbers apply too?
$25k?
$50k?
$100K?
$200K?
$300k?
$400k?
$500k?


Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#5829 Apr 4, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>Like I said, I've responded to this before, directly to one of your posts.

39.6% on income, 39.6% on capital gains.

Those who take the most from our society can afford to pay the most to keep it functioning.

Conversely, I think EVERYBODY (with a few obvious exceptions), needs to pay at least 10%.
Great post.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#5830 Apr 4, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>Surely you jest! All companies are in business to make money. I tell you what quit your constant complaining about insurance companies and open one up yourself and give medical care for actual cost. Just how long do you think you would be able to cover all these poor sick people? Or better yet give people the insurance coverage for free. After all it is for the common good.
Of course all companies are in business to make money.

That's the entire point.

Let's review for those who seem incapable of grasping what that means in the context of health care.

A medical care insurance company charges the highest premiums it can - because it exists to make money;

It then does everything possible to pay the least amount in benefits it possibly can - because it's in business to make money.

That means people get the least amount of benefits for the highest cost possible.

Where else in the industrialized and educated world do people pay the highest costs possible to obtain the least benefits ?

Nowhere - because the rest of the industrialized world are not idiots - we are - and we are because medical insurance companies have b.s.ed the Right Wing to believe that's regulated "Capitalism" is always, always, always, the greatest thing in the world - even if its killing them.

The medical insurers love it - the CEO of United Healthcare received over a Billion Dollars for his part in the game. A Billion Dollars for one corporate shill.

Imagine how many kids could have received medical care with that Billion Dollars.

Every country in the world who adopted national "single payer" medical care loves it, keeps it, and would throw any politician out of office who threatened to take it away.

Our major trade competitors have it, which is why foreign manufacturers beat our prices - they don't provide medical card packages - the national governments do. This save Kamatsu some $10k per unit.

Want to bring manufacturing back to the USA ? Implement "single payer" medical care at a national level.

Doo

Chatsworth, GA

#5831 Apr 4, 2013
As long as the rich man owns the Majority of Congress the rich has protection from fair taxes. It won't take too many people to upset this Majority and things will change dramatically for the rich man. That's the reason for all the lies and distortions the right wing pump out daily.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#5832 Apr 4, 2013
truth wrote:
<quoted text>He obviously thinks a wealthy person, that likely strived and suffered along the way( while he just coasted along sitting on his porch), should pay his share as well as those that will not attempt to help themselves. I guess under their guise, those that worked hard for
lifes luxuries should be paying for those with no ambition whatsoever. I guess they will with Obama wanting to "distribute the wealth". I bet Obama will never distribute his wealth.
Yea; it is so unfair to ask Right Wingers to pay their share.

The beneficiaries of the Walton Family Trusts, really slaved away behind those cash registers to be able to pay only 15% or less tax rate on that 89.5 BILLION dollar family fortune.

This is interesting:

The Walton family, heirs to the founders of the Wal-Mart Stores Inc. superchain, are worth nearly as much as the bottom half of American households combined.

The Waltons' value --$89.5 billion in 2010 – is equal to the worth of the 41.5% of families at the lower end of the income ladder, according to an analysis by Josh Bivens of the Economic Policy Institute. That comes out to 48.8 million households.

Let's l shed crocodile tears that the family that inherited the Billions through Trusts from Daddy,
and is now richer than the 48 million other American families combined,

Might have to pay taxes at the same rate we working people do.

The pain !

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5833 Apr 4, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, I've responded to this before, directly to one of your posts.
39.6% on income, 39.6% on capital gains.
Those who take the most from our society can afford to pay the most to keep it functioning.
Conversely, I think EVERYBODY (with a few obvious exceptions), needs to pay at least 10%.
Thanks. Simply don't recall your former post. Have my doubts.

Okay. 39.6 on how much income,though? Same for capital gains. How much $ in capital gains? I should have been more specific and also asked for income, etc. Since you have already posted that BEFORE, that should only take a minute of your time.

"Those who TAKE the most from our society"????? Are your serious? TAKE? Daaaaaag.

At least you DO support EVERYONE paying something. I agree.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5834 Apr 4, 2013
Taker wrote:
<quoted text>
And what minimum salary range do your numbers apply too?
$25k?
$50k?
$100K?
$200K?
$300k?
$400k?
$500k?
I agree. I just asked this.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5835 Apr 4, 2013
Doo wrote:
As long as the rich man owns the Majority of Congress the rich has protection from fair taxes. It won't take too many people to upset this Majority and things will change dramatically for the rich man. That's the reason for all the lies and distortions the right wing pump out daily.
I just have to ask. Do you think there are NO rich democrats???? You keep talking about rich republicans and how they are to blame for EVERYTHING. Of course, that is what you are hearing day in and day out from the left wing propaganda, but what do you think about all the rich democrats? If you think there ARE some rich democrats, do you they are looking out for you?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5836 Apr 4, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, I've responded to this before, directly to one of your posts.
39.6% on income, 39.6% on capital gains.
Those who take the most from our society can afford to pay the most to keep it functioning.
Conversely, I think EVERYBODY (with a few obvious exceptions), needs to pay at least 10%.
Also, would you please post any links you are using to determine this? Thanks.(Don't EVEN try to convince us this is YOUR opinion. lol THAT dog won't hunt.)
suffocate

Commerce, GA

#5837 Apr 4, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, WHERE are YOUR FACTS? All you do is call names and make stuff up.
You are such a waste of time. Did you fail reading comprehension in grade school, or maybe they didn't have that when you were young. Name one thing I "made up", please! You have your head so far up your self centered a$$ you will soon Suffocate.
In the news today,
"On the question of overall party images, and which party cares more about the average American, Democrats enjoy an advantage over Republicans among women.
Twenty-five percent of women said they had a favorable view of the GOP in the Quinnipiac University poll, versus 42 women who said they had a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party. Fifty-three percent of women had a negative opinion of the Republican Party, versus 38 percent of women who said they had a negative impression of the Democratic Party.
Women also favored Democrats on the matter of which party better cared for needs and problems of people like them. Women respondents agreed, 59 percent to 38 percent, that Democrats cared for their needs and concerns; 35 percent of women said that Republicans cared for their needs and concerns, versus 60 percent of women who disagreed.
More broadly, Democrats also enjoy an advantage over Republicans on the question of which party better handles the issue of same-sex marriage. Forty-nine percent of all Americans said that Democrats do a better job, versus 28 percent who prefer Republicans. Independents favor Democrats, 48 percent to 26 percent, on that question, and even one in five Republicans — 21 percent — prefer Democrats’ handling of the issue of same-sex marriage."

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#5838 Apr 4, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea; it is so unfair to ask Right Wingers to pay their share.
The beneficiaries of the Walton Family Trusts, really slaved away behind those cash registers to be able to pay only 15% or less tax rate on that 89.5 BILLION dollar family fortune.
This is interesting:
The Walton family, heirs to the founders of the Wal-Mart Stores Inc. superchain, are worth nearly as much as the bottom half of American households combined.
The Waltons' value --$89.5 billion in 2010 – is equal to the worth of the 41.5% of families at the lower end of the income ladder, according to an analysis by Josh Bivens of the Economic Policy Institute. That comes out to 48.8 million households.
Let's l shed crocodile tears that the family that inherited the Billions through Trusts from Daddy,
and is now richer than the 48 million other American families combined,
Might have to pay taxes at the same rate we working people do.
The pain !
LMAO...The wealth envy-itis shows it's ugly head AGAIN...

"Yea; it is so unfair to ask Right Wingers to pay their share."

Right wingers pay the same tax rates as the clueless and uneducated, don't they? Use the same forms and tax tables, don't they? Or, are you saying right wingers use different forms and tables?

Are right wingers the ONLY ones that make a lot of money? Are you whining about what Buffet or certain movies stars pay in taxes?

"able to pay only 15% or less tax rate on that 89.5 BILLION dollar family fortune."

Income taxes are on income (duh), not wealth. Their fortune has already been taxed. Duh.

"15% or less tax rate"

Oh, you mean the capital gains rate that is available to ALL tax payers? BTW, how do you know what an individual's tax rate is, it's not public information, although corporate tax rates can be easily found.

"Might have to pay taxes at the same rate we working people do."

They do. They use the same forms and tax table the rest of us do.

Your anti-wealth fury is targeted at people that are doing things legally and within the rules. You don't like the rules, probably because you don't understand them and the rationale for them...

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