Indian Bottom vs New Salem

Indian Bottom vs New Salem

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Sweet Beulah Land

Nashville, TN

#1 Feb 21, 2012
The Bible is clear that we are all to love each other and get along and preach the Gospel to the ends of the earth. With that being said, can someone tell me why the Old Regular Baptist denomination has 2 branches that refuse to be associated with one another? I know for a fact that some New Salem preachers will get up and leave if an Indian Bottom preacher shows up or starts preaching. Do you think that's what Jesus would want us to do?

No wonder young people don't want to go to church. They see all these grumpy old men walk out on each other's services for no real reason apart from greed/power etc. If I'm wrong then correct me. What's the real reason?
Been there

United States

#2 Feb 22, 2012
Sweet Beulah Land wrote:
The Bible is clear that we are all to love each other and get along and preach the Gospel to the ends of the earth. With that being said, can someone tell me why the Old Regular Baptist denomination has 2 branches that refuse to be associated with one another? I know for a fact that some New Salem preachers will get up and leave if an Indian Bottom preacher shows up or starts preaching. Do you think that's what Jesus would want us to do?
No wonder young people don't want to go to church. They see all these grumpy old men walk out on each other's services for no real reason apart from greed/power etc. If I'm wrong then correct me. What's the real reason?
The New Salem along with all their corresponding associations such as the Old Indian Bottom (separate from the regular Indian Bottom) Philadelphia, Union and so on, refuse to take part in any preaching or worship or church work of any kind with Indian Bottom or any other denomination because they feel they are on the right path and that because the other Indian Bottom and other churches don't follow the same rules (mainly the haircut and the dress code for women) they consider all other churches "out of order" and they are partakers of "evil deeds" because they practice with those of other churches. The New Salem and all those on that side will ONLY associate and preach with those that are on the same side as them and that is it. IF, and this rarely happens, but IF they were to be in a funeral with another denomination, then they have to separate their part with prayer and announce their part as DONE and they will leave the stand usually before the rest of the service will continue. Basically, this explanation is their long detailed way of saying, "We're right and everybody else is wrong" and also strikes me as "We're the only ones going to heaven and unless you come our way you will not make it."

I refuse to believe what they are preaching here is bible all those that are borned again are the children of God. The whole world does not have, nor does the whole state even have an Old Regular Baptist so this belief is far from true. There are some other little silly rules they cling to also but this is the main reason. I love to hear them sing (which by the way is another thing that separates them, they want it lined out only and no music, some are sung straight through but not many)I love the rest of the preaching I hear and a lot of them preachers I believe are actually called and they preach the truth. But your right it's the old timers that cannot let go of problems they had 50 years or more ago. It's silly if you ask me I love them all but I just can't go along with it on that part.

Hope this answers your question. I know I have seen a lot of families hurt over things like this and you are right indeed this makes people just want to stay home on Sunday.
Well

Ermine, KY

#3 Feb 22, 2012
Thanks for a very good explanation. I have always pretty much just lumped all "old regulars" in the same group. I didn't realize there was that much dissension within the various associations. I personally have always felt they place an unbalanced amount of emphasis on clothes and hair. Thanks.
Been there wrote:
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The New Salem along with all their corresponding associations such as the Old Indian Bottom (separate from the regular Indian Bottom) Philadelphia, Union and so on, refuse to take part in any preaching or worship or church work of any kind with Indian Bottom or any other denomination because they feel they are on the right path and that because the other Indian Bottom and other churches don't follow the same rules (mainly the haircut and the dress code for women) they consider all other churches "out of order" and they are partakers of "evil deeds" because they practice with those of other churches. The New Salem and all those on that side will ONLY associate and preach with those that are on the same side as them and that is it. IF, and this rarely happens, but IF they were to be in a funeral with another denomination, then they have to separate their part with prayer and announce their part as DONE and they will leave the stand usually before the rest of the service will continue. Basically, this explanation is their long detailed way of saying, "We're right and everybody else is wrong" and also strikes me as "We're the only ones going to heaven and unless you come our way you will not make it."
I refuse to believe what they are preaching here is bible all those that are borned again are the children of God. The whole world does not have, nor does the whole state even have an Old Regular Baptist so this belief is far from true. There are some other little silly rules they cling to also but this is the main reason. I love to hear them sing (which by the way is another thing that separates them, they want it lined out only and no music, some are sung straight through but not many)I love the rest of the preaching I hear and a lot of them preachers I believe are actually called and they preach the truth. But your right it's the old timers that cannot let go of problems they had 50 years or more ago. It's silly if you ask me I love them all but I just can't go along with it on that part.
Hope this answers your question. I know I have seen a lot of families hurt over things like this and you are right indeed this makes people just want to stay home on Sunday.
Sweet Beulah Land

Nashville, TN

#4 Feb 22, 2012
I wonder what the New Salem's think about Jesus, when He went in and had dinner with the sinners? If the New Salem can't associate with other believers in Christ, then how can they associate with the lost? It just doesn't make sense to me. The Bible I read says that "WHOSOEVER" believeth. Notice that didn't say "the New Salem," it said "WHOSOEVER" and that means all believers are washed in the same Blood and sanctified by the same Jesus!! I just don't understand how a born again Christian could possibly shun other Christians the way the New Salem does.
Been there

United States

#5 Feb 22, 2012
Believe it or not, the New Salem is one of the nicer of the old regulars. You want to really feel unwelcome go to one of their sister associations like the Old Indian Bottom Association. They would rather see sinners walk in their church than a member of another church, even another old regular lol. The Indian Bottom Association split years ago and the Old Indian Bottom is what is left of the Indian Bottom Association. It's confusing I know. The Indian Bottom is much more easy on other denominations and will actually preach with them in funerals now. Unfortunately, this has caused the other Old Regulars to shun them even more placing a permanent split between them.

The hair and the pants thing is also a big split. Years ago like way back, if a woman wore pants it was considered man's clothing and actually was frowned upon by everybody not just church members. Still today that rule stands that the women must wear dresses at all times. Not taking into account that there is such an item as women's pants now. The makeup they consider "war paint" but I think they might not be the only ones hanging onto that rule I hear of other faiths still with that one too.

You wouldn't believe what has been witnessed between some of the old regulars and some have even gotten into very heated arguments over the silliest things. Some of their rules are very out of date. I know that God never changes, but the world does and when you have man made rules over worldly things you have to be able to give a little. Not saying let everything in the world go on, but still as bad as this world is getting, it should be a time for all Christians to band together and fight the fight. Not separate and cause others to perish. I'm so glad you brought this subject up it needed to be brought out for others to see.
Been there

United States

#6 Feb 22, 2012
OH and one more thing I forgot to mention, if you were to come from another church of any kind OR come from the Indian Bottom Association, you can't bring your letter from your previous church because they won't accept any of the work from any of the churches anywhere else!! YOU HAVE TO BE BAPTIZED IN THE WATER before any of their churches will take you in their membership. You can move across the association but if you come from somewhere else or an old regular church that is not affiliated with them you are treated as a sinner that has come to repentance. Even if you were a PREACHER!!! It's true!! You can be an elder from another church and they still have to bring you through the water!! How bout that for man made rules!
Sweet Beulah Land

Nashville, TN

#7 Feb 22, 2012
This is exactly why I put my faith in Christ, not in man! I love the New Salem people, but it seems like they are keeping themselves from complete happiness in Christ, simply because they can't stop arguing back and forth with other brothers and sisters long enough! LOL. It's just crazy!

Matthew 5:16 says, "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

We (as Christians) are commanded to shine our lights, and not to bicker back and forth with each other. Hopefully the lost souls in Knott County will not be deterred by such "man-made" ignorance:) We need to be reaching out, winning souls, instead of being engaged in a peeing contest with fellow brethern!
Judas

Hindman, KY

#8 Feb 22, 2012
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

The Bible if full of contradictions it seems. This is but one example you have your light but are also supposed to kill people.
Jesus Saves

Nashville, TN

#9 Feb 22, 2012
Judas:

God is sovereign over all of life and can take it whenever He sees fit. God, and God alone, can give life and God alone has the right to take it whenever He so chooses. In fact, He ultimately takes every person's life at death. It is not our life to begin with but Godís. While it is wrong for us to take a life, this does not mean that it is wrong for God to do so. We intuitively recognize this when we accuse some person or authority who takes human life as "playing God." God is under no obligation to extend anyone's life for even another day. How and when we die is completely up to Him.

The issue of God commanding violence in the Old Testament is difficult. However, we must remember that God sees things from an eternal perspective, and His ways are not our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9). The Apostle Paul tells us that God is both kind and severe (Romans 11:22). While it is true that God's holy character demands that sin be punished, His grace and mercy remain extended to those who are willing to repent and be saved. The Old Testament punishment and destruction provides us with a sober reminder that while our God is gracious and merciful, He is also a God of holiness and wrath.
Baptist

Nashville, TN

#10 Feb 23, 2012
I'm Baptist, but not Old Regular Baptist and I've always wondered why the Old Regulars have divisions amongst them. Last time I checked, all Christians are supposed to love each other (and everyone for that matter), and we're to be doing work for the Lord, to win souls for Him. It's not about hair length, it's not about eating meat or vegetables, it's not about tattoo's, it's not about dresses/pants, it's not about playing sports, etc..........It's about JESUS CHRIST!!!!!! Nothing less!!! The Bible says when we are saved, "old things pass away and all things become new." If that's the case, then why can't the Old Regulars let the "old things" pass away, such as grudges, and power tripping etc?
The Actual Facts

Virgie, KY

#11 Feb 24, 2012
The reasons why the New Salem, Old Indian Bottom and all the other Old Regular Baptist Associations don't associate with the Indian Botton Association are many, and biblical. The Indian Bottom allow women to wear shorts and to cut their hair like a man. They allow men who have been married several times to preach. They allow their members to belong to secret order societies and to take blood oaths to these societies. They allow their ministers to take part in ritiualistic funerals, out side the christian faith. They need to clean up their act if they want to be in corrspondence with God let alone other associations.
Just saying

Nashville, TN

#12 Feb 24, 2012
The Actual Facts wrote:
The reasons why the New Salem, Old Indian Bottom and all the other Old Regular Baptist Associations don't associate with the Indian Botton Association are many, and biblical. The Indian Bottom allow women to wear shorts and to cut their hair like a man. They allow men who have been married several times to preach. They allow their members to belong to secret order societies and to take blood oaths to these societies. They allow their ministers to take part in ritiualistic funerals, out side the christian faith. They need to clean up their act if they want to be in corrspondence with God let alone other associations.
So basically what you're saying is EVERYONE in the New Salem is perfect??? That's hog wash.
Nietzsche

Hindman, KY

#13 Feb 24, 2012
"The issue of God commanding violence in the Old Testament is difficult. However, we must remember that God sees things from an eternal perspective, and His ways are not our ways (Isaiah 55:8-9). The Apostle Paul tells us that God is both kind and severe (Romans 11:22). While it is true that God's holy character demands that sin be punished, His grace and mercy remain extended to those who are willing to repent and be saved. The Old Testament punishment and destruction provides us with a sober reminder that while our God is gracious and merciful, He is also a God of holiness and wrath."

Matthew 10:34 "I came not to send peace but a sword" Jesus said that.

Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34

... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
- Matthew 26:52

Which God is it or is God Schizophrenic?
Just Saying

Nashville, TN

#14 Feb 24, 2012
The Actual Facts wrote:
The reasons why the New Salem, Old Indian Bottom and all the other Old Regular Baptist Associations don't associate with the Indian Botton Association are many, and biblical. The Indian Bottom allow women to wear shorts and to cut their hair like a man. They allow men who have been married several times to preach. They allow their members to belong to secret order societies and to take blood oaths to these societies. They allow their ministers to take part in ritiualistic funerals, out side the christian faith. They need to clean up their act if they want to be in corrspondence with God let alone other associations.
Stay on topic people!!

So basically what you're saying is EVERYONE in the New Salem is perfect??? That's hog wash.
The Actual Facts

Virgie, KY

#15 Feb 24, 2012
Just Saying wrote:
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Stay on topic people!!
So basically what you're saying is EVERYONE in the New Salem is perfect??? That's hog wash.
Not at all. What I am saying is the Indian Bottom doesn't uphold it's own standing orders or articles of faith. They allow anything. They are not Old Regular Baptist at all. If you don't like how the Old Regular Baptist practice--then go somewhere else.
Just Saying

Nashville, TN

#16 Feb 24, 2012
The Actual Facts wrote:
<quoted text> Not at all. What I am saying is the Indian Bottom doesn't uphold it's own standing orders or articles of faith. They allow anything. They are not Old Regular Baptist at all. If you don't like how the Old Regular Baptist practice--then go somewhere else.
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Can you show me in the Bible where it says:

-Women can't wear shorts
-Women can't cut their hair

And PS: You don't have to worry about me going to Old Regular Baptist churches. They're too worried about man made rules instead of spreading the Word of GOD to the lost. How many Old Reg. Baptist churches have "children's church" etc?? My point exactly!!
Manatoba

Virgie, KY

#17 Feb 24, 2012
The Bible tells us , both women and men to dress in modest apparel. Shorts and halter tops are not mosest and do not cover a women's nakedness. The Bible also says it is a shame for a man to have long hair and that a womans hair is her glory and her covering. If you don't like to follow the Bible then go to a worldly church. They will take you back.
church girl

Lebanon, KY

#18 Feb 24, 2012
you can wear shorts modestly they dont have to be worn where everything falls out womens tops can be worn modestly everytthing dosent have to be exposed you can wear pants that arent painted on these styles of dress are simply styles of dress christians can partake without looking sleezywell now the men and long hair how come Jesus John and the other bunch had long hair we need to study deeper people yes a womans hair is her covering but study deeper woman were shaving there heads and selling there bodies in front of the tenple and when the prostitues got saved thats where the head comes in as a covering you have to study the bible words had different meaning then we have to study we have to become moderate with the times and I dont mean become worldly either old regulars have too many man made tradtions just because a man has long hair and a woman short they arent going to hell we have to love people hair dosent take you to heaven and if a man or woman wants to be an old regular and they have been married before thats between them and God things happen we shouldnt judge people by there past because when you become a Christian your past dosent matter Old regualrs try to do way too much judging if God forgives they should be able to as well the Bible says work out your own salvation we need to be worried about getting people daved instead of trying to church people
Modest Dresser

Nashville, TN

#19 Feb 24, 2012
Manatoba wrote:
The Bible tells us , both women and men to dress in modest apparel. Shorts and halter tops are not mosest and do not cover a women's nakedness. The Bible also says it is a shame for a man to have long hair and that a womans hair is her glory and her covering. If you don't like to follow the Bible then go to a worldly church. They will take you back.
Funny how you know what the Bible tells us, yet you can't post the scripture. I'm assuming you're talking about 1 Timothy 2:9, which says "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array."

This verse does say to dress modestly, and there are some women who wear shorts that are modest. Not everybody has to wear Daisy Dukes! Also notice this verse says women are not supposed to have braided hair, or wear gold, or pearls etc. Do any women in the New Salem have gold earrings or necklaces, or pearls, or braided hair?

Furthermore, in 1 Corinthians, the Bible tells women to "remain silent" and "do not speak" in church. Do the New Salem women sing? If so, is singing considered "remaining silent?"

I love the Old Regular Baptist people, but the New Salem just takes things a little too far in my opinion.
MEAGAIN

Virgie, KY

#20 Feb 25, 2012
OK people, here we go again, slamming someone for their belief! What does it matter to you how I believe? I live my life for GOD and not for man. If I choose to wear a dress and not cut my hair, what harm is that to any of you?? There are rules in everything you do, your job, your schools, your daily life. If we do not have a few rules, then this world would be in total ruin. If you do not believe in the rules of the New Salem, then may I suggest that you not join their churches. The thing that gets me is that it doesn't matter what we think, it's what GOD thinks. Do you truly, deep in your heart, think that GOD would approve of the way some people dress, cut their hair, wear tons of "war paint"? Do you think GOD is pleased with anything that has been posted here? GOD is not the author of confusion. GOD is love. You cannot tell me that you do not feel and see the love when you meet an "Old Regular Baptist". If you judge us simply by the way we look, then I feel sorry for you. There is more in this life to worry about than our clothing. As for our children, we need to teach them at home. Do you want someone who is living in adultery or on drugs or out partying on Saturday night, to teach your child on Sunday morning?? NOT ME! I once belonged to a missionary baptist church and I saw what was going on there and that was not what GOD had in mind for me. If it means a choice between wearing a dress, no make up, and not cutting my hair or going to Hell, well, I choose my form of dress. Love each of you and pray you will find peace and understanding in whatever you choose. GOD BLESS.

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