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Orlando Sentinel

Virgie, KY

#1 Oct 29, 2011
Sat Oct 29 2011 12:00 AM
Ryan Houck, in his critique of the Sierra Club (My Word: "Video shows Sierra Club as it really is," Monday), maintains that coal is a cheap energy source. He is apparently ignorant of the impact coal mining and gas-well drilling have had on the environment and people in Appalachia.

I own a farm in Knott County, Kentucky, which is near the headwaters of three river systems. One would think water there would be clean, abundant and cheap; however, this is not the case. Nearly 80 percent of the water wells in the county have been destroyed by the practice of blasting mountaintops to remove coal, and by the practice of fracking gas wells.

The Division of Abandoned Mine Lands in Kentucky has regularly sent inspectors to Knott County to test water wells for mining contamination in order to secure federal funds for public water systems. Getting information from this agency is difficult, however, because the state government in Kentucky sides with big coal, oil and gas companies.

The only people defending the right of people to have clean drinking water and a safe environment are the Sierra Club and the Environmental Protection Agency, both of which are under attack by people such as Houck. Living under a mountaintop-removal project for only one week would teach him the true cost of coal.

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What

Virgie, KY

#2 Oct 29, 2011
"Nearly 80 percent of the water wells in the county have been destroyed by the practice of blasting mountaintops to remove coal, and by the practice of fracking gas wells." IS THIS TRUE?

Since: Jun 10

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#3 Oct 30, 2011
Mtr doesnt do half the damage to water wells as to gas well drilling. When fracking a gas well, it crack the earth and rock, that in turn messes up the water table and causes the water wells to dry up. Hope this was a help.
feed up

Jackson, KY

#4 Oct 30, 2011
Look at straight pipes from sewer for a while. Get your head on straight to make water drinkable it filters through rocks, sand, and soil not through human waste. stay off mining awhile you treehuggers. look up and down creeks and streams trash, sewer pipes,and water from your low life butts is what makes the water unclean.God made earth and he will take it away. he made coal in the earth for a reason.So stop flushing your commode.I would say stop bathing but you all dont already. pick up your trash you throw out. Get a life and stop using electric. Dont go to work that is if you work from coal severance money to pay your wages. Like some of you do. Look at yourself for once Stinky butt tree scabs.
Mtr

Virgie, KY

#5 Oct 30, 2011
Deere37 wrote:
Mtr doesnt do half the damage to water wells as to gas well drilling. When fracking a gas well, it crack the earth and rock, that in turn messes up the water table and causes the water wells to dry up. Hope this was a help.
both should be outlawed. They both are killing us.
miner

Tuscaloosa, AL

#6 Nov 17, 2011
If you were as smart as you think you are you would know Knott county is the only county in the United States that doesn't have a river running through it let alone 3 major rivers.. The Sierra Club, Kentuckians for the Commonwealth are all pot smoking hippies.. Get a job and quit living off the Gov.
Orlando Sentinel wrote:
Sat Oct 29 2011 12:00 AM
Ryan Houck, in his critique of the Sierra Club (My Word: "Video shows Sierra Club as it really is," Monday), maintains that coal is a cheap energy source. He is apparently ignorant of the impact coal mining and gas-well drilling have had on the environment and people in Appalachia.
I own a farm in Knott County, Kentucky, which is near the headwaters of three river systems. One would think water there would be clean, abundant and cheap; however, this is not the case. Nearly 80 percent of the water wells in the county have been destroyed by the practice of blasting mountaintops to remove coal, and by the practice of fracking gas wells.
The Division of Abandoned Mine Lands in Kentucky has regularly sent inspectors to Knott County to test water wells for mining contamination in order to secure federal funds for public water systems. Getting information from this agency is difficult, however, because the state government in Kentucky sides with big coal, oil and gas companies.
The only people defending the right of people to have clean drinking water and a safe environment are the Sierra Club and the Environmental Protection Agency, both of which are under attack by people such as Houck. Living under a mountaintop-removal project for only one week would teach him the true cost of coal.
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TREE HUGGER

Hindman, KY

#7 Nov 19, 2011
feed up wrote:
Look at straight pipes from sewer for a while. Get your head on straight to make water drinkable it filters through rocks, sand, and soil not through human waste. stay off mining awhile you treehuggers. look up and down creeks and streams trash, sewer pipes,and water from your low life butts is what makes the water unclean.God made earth and he will take it away. he made coal in the earth for a reason.So stop flushing your commode.I would say stop bathing but you all dont already. pick up your trash you throw out. Get a life and stop using electric. Dont go to work that is if you work from coal severance money to pay your wages. Like some of you do. Look at yourself for once Stinky butt tree scabs.
GOD did make the earth and the coal,but I'm FED UP with greedy SCUM SUCKERS like you trying to take it from the rest of us! You didn't put the coal there and you have no right to destroy everything and everyone to take it away.How stupid are you? All we hear is coal keeps the lights on and stop using electric. Give it up no one's stupid enough to believe that crap! We pay higher electric bills here than anywhere.If anyone was worried about helping the people here they would at very least use the coal they are killing us to get for our own use!But some people like you let them destroy our land,our water,our air and our very lives and keep raising our electric bills and you are so stupid you call them your friends! When the coal is all gone see where your friends are then. If you were as smart as you think you are you would be getting an education and getting a real job! Maybe with the EPA. Oh,by the way that's the ones trying to save your stupid butt and you don't have enough sense to know it!
Water stinks here

Virgie, KY

#8 Nov 20, 2011
Well I do know I live in Knott county and a coal mine sunk my well. They didnt want to replace it. When they did they never replaced my filter system the same. I have terrible water. I have small kids and they deserve clean water to bath in. I had that for them before the coal mine destroyed our water supply. They sould try to help us get city water if they could do that things would be better but we have given up on ever getting it. I didnt used to be but I think I turning into a tree hugger.
Well Destroyed

Virgie, KY

#9 Nov 20, 2011
My well was destroyed by the blasting for the Hindman corridor. Of course they didn't want to accept the responsiblity for it and had to drill and new well.

“That's What She Said”

Since: May 09

Wherever I May Roam

#10 Nov 21, 2011
Ok then. Let's say we outlawed surface mining and gas well drilling. Where are you going to work?

It's not going to be at a surface mine of drilling operation, you just outlawed those. You also put over half of your county's workforce out of a job too, so you're going to compete for jobs with those people as well. Not to mention all those in eastern Kentucky who work DIRECTLY for the coal and gas companies.

That's ok, you say, you'll get a job at Wal-Mart then? No you won't either. Since half the region is now jobless, no one's got money to spend. If Walmart and Kmart aren't making any money, they're leaving. All the progress that our region has made thus far is heading out the door.

It's ok, you think, the government will bring new industry to the region. Those will bring PLENTY of new jobs in, and we'll all be saved. WRONG AGAIN! Tell me, WHERE are these businesses supposed to locate? In case you haven't noticed, we live in a hilly region with a noticeable lack of flat land suitable for building factories or other industries. The businesses we have thus far, like Walmart, the hospital, UPS, JC Penney, K-Mart, Sykes, American Woodmark, etc., you know how they were able to find flat land to build on? Why, from reclaimed surface works, of course! And since we're not producing anymore flat lands (remember, you just banned surface mining), there's nowhere for these new businesses to build. So again, you're out of luck.

To listen to a quote-unquote "tree hugger", they'd tell you that they're only looking out for the well-being of these poor, uneducated hill folk who just don't know any better. Truth is, they're only taking the food out of your childrens' mouths and taking shoes off their feet. They'd rather you live simple, naive lives than for you to prosper.
TREE HUGGER

Hindman, KY

#11 Nov 21, 2011
Dropkick Slone wrote:
Ok then. Let's say we outlawed surface mining and gas well drilling. Where are you going to work?
It's not going to be at a surface mine of drilling operation, you just outlawed those. You also put over half of your county's workforce out of a job too, so you're going to compete for jobs with those people as well. Not to mention all those in eastern Kentucky who work DIRECTLY for the coal and gas companies.
That's ok, you say, you'll get a job at Wal-Mart then? No you won't either. Since half the region is now jobless, no one's got money to spend. If Walmart and Kmart aren't making any money, they're leaving. All the progress that our region has made thus far is heading out the door.
It's ok, you think, the government will bring new industry to the region. Those will bring PLENTY of new jobs in, and we'll all be saved. WRONG AGAIN! Tell me, WHERE are these businesses supposed to locate? In case you haven't noticed, we live in a hilly region with a noticeable lack of flat land suitable for building factories or other industries. The businesses we have thus far, like Walmart, the hospital, UPS, JC Penney, K-Mart, Sykes, American Woodmark, etc., you know how they were able to find flat land to build on? Why, from reclaimed surface works, of course! And since we're not producing anymore flat lands (remember, you just banned surface mining), there's nowhere for these new businesses to build. So again, you're out of luck.
To listen to a quote-unquote "tree hugger", they'd tell you that they're only looking out for the well-being of these poor, uneducated hill folk who just don't know any better. Truth is, they're only taking the food out of your childrens' mouths and taking shoes off their feet. They'd rather you live simple, naive lives than for you to prosper.
You just keep talking the same old crap! But the people here are smarter than you think they are! anyone can see what's going on here. I don't want to take anything from anyone. I just want them to live their lives anyway they want. You want to take their lives from them to make another dollar!
lol

London, KY

#12 Nov 21, 2011
miner wrote:
If you were as smart as you think you are you would know Knott county is the only county in the United States that doesn't have a river running through it let alone 3 major rivers.. The Sierra Club, Kentuckians for the Commonwealth are all pot smoking hippies.. Get a job and quit living off the Gov.
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it doesn't say anything about knott county having three rivers running through it. it says "near the head waters of three river systems". and if you were as smart as you thought you were you would know that.
question

Leburn, KY

#13 Nov 22, 2011
so we are destroying the land when we mine.... is this correct?.....without coal there will be no electricity inless we use wind mills!....now just tell me how much land will wind mills use up....if there is no coal we have to have enough wind mills to supply electricity to the whole world....at least the land we get coal from is at some point in time useable....the land that we put wind mills on will never be useable again because they have to always remain in place....maybe im wrong i dunno just my thinking....after all im just a little ol hill folk thats husband is a coalminer so maybe im a little slow at understanding thing! LOL

“That's What She Said”

Since: May 09

Wherever I May Roam

#14 Nov 22, 2011
TREE HUGGER wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't want to take anything from anyone. I just want them to live their lives anyway they want. You want to take their lives from them to make another dollar!
So how, pray tell, do you expect them to "live their lives anyway you want", as you so eloquently put it, when you're taking away their means of living? It's simple, no jobs = no money = no food = NO LIFE.

Common Sense: Catch It!
Jobs

Hindman, KY

#15 Nov 22, 2011
Dropkick Slone wrote:
<quoted text>
So how, pray tell, do you expect them to "live their lives anyway you want", as you so eloquently put it, when you're taking away their means of living? It's simple, no jobs = no money = no food = NO LIFE.
Common Sense: Catch It!
The fact is Mr. Slone that coal jobs are at their highest level in 15 years. Don't believe all of the "common sense" that the coal companies and politicians are selling you. Do some research for yourself.

“That's What She Said”

Since: May 09

Wherever I May Roam

#16 Nov 22, 2011
Jobs wrote:
<quoted text> The fact is Mr. Slone that coal jobs are at their highest level in 15 years. Don't believe all of the "common sense" that the coal companies and politicians are selling you. Do some research for yourself.
We're not going to have them once the EPA over-regulates both the coal-fired power plants as well as surface mining itself. Not to mention most of our current coal jobs are on old permits, issued before the Obama administration took power. Take it from someone who works in the permitting industry. Getting permits issued since 2009 has been a nightmare and next to impossible. If you can't issue a permit, then there ARE NO COAL JOBS. I don't know how much clearer I can be on that.

But hey, if you want to ruin our region's economy and set its people back a hundred years, then that's your prerogative I suppose. Just be sure to squeeze that tree extra tight while everyone around you starves.
Jobs

Hindman, KY

#17 Nov 22, 2011
Dropkick Slone wrote:
<quoted text>
We're not going to have them once the EPA over-regulates both the coal-fired power plants as well as surface mining itself. Not to mention most of our current coal jobs are on old permits, issued before the Obama administration took power. Take it from someone who works in the permitting industry. Getting permits issued since 2009 has been a nightmare and next to impossible. If you can't issue a permit, then there ARE NO COAL JOBS. I don't know how much clearer I can be on that.
But hey, if you want to ruin our region's economy and set its people back a hundred years, then that's your prerogative I suppose. Just be sure to squeeze that tree extra tight while everyone around you starves.
How many coal permits have been denied since 2009 and how many have been issued? If you work in the "permitting industry" you should know that in October 2011, 73 permits were issued and only 1 was denied. As for our regions economy, such that it is, it has always been up and down depending on the coal market and that's a shame. Coal jobs have been in a steady decline since the 80's largely due to the mechanization of mining. If you want to blame someone for losing coal jobs you should blame the coal industry. They are in the business of making money, not making sure we have jobs. They don't want to hire 300 miners to do the work that 30 can do on a strip mine? And how long does that job on the strip last anyway? 5 years? We are years behind other areas because of coal. It's always the same old "tree hugger" comments from the ignorant, but seriously, open your eyes and look around you and see the poverty that coal has caused.

“That's What She Said”

Since: May 09

Wherever I May Roam

#18 Nov 22, 2011
You think poverty is bad now? Wait until there's nothing here at all. Mark my words, if you get your way and coal is gone, then everything else goes with it. That's why you don't see Walmarts and Walgreens' in ghost towns.

Lest we forget about the coal severance dollars that the counties receive on each block of mined coal. See the situation Knott county is in right now, now that coal severance dollars are drying up? Knott county isn't going to have a road crew this winter. While I won't comment on the current administration's looseness with money (that's for another thread for another day), I will say that the county (as well as the surrounding areas) depend heavily on those dollars. And those dollars are disappearing.
Jobs

Hindman, KY

#19 Nov 22, 2011
Dropkick Slone wrote:
You think poverty is bad now? Wait until there's nothing here at all. Mark my words, if you get your way and coal is gone, then everything else goes with it. That's why you don't see Walmarts and Walgreens' in ghost towns.
Lest we forget about the coal severance dollars that the counties receive on each block of mined coal. See the situation Knott county is in right now, now that coal severance dollars are drying up? Knott county isn't going to have a road crew this winter. While I won't comment on the current administration's looseness with money (that's for another thread for another day), I will say that the county (as well as the surrounding areas) depend heavily on those dollars. And those dollars are disappearing.
Poverty has always been bad here and always will be because of coal. We sold out our riches years ago when our ancestors sold the mineral rights to their land. Now you have these huge land holding companies that own all of the mineral while the surface owners are holding the bag. And what kind of neighbors have they been? They've destroyed our wells, keep our roads a nasty mess and endanger our lives daily. If your neighbor destroys your well he should have to pay for it right? If your neighbor destroys your roads or causes your walls or foundation to crack he should fix them right? But the land and coal companies with their lawyers and LLC protections are immune to this. And on the severance taxes, they should not be counted on for our daily needs such as road maintenance but unfortunately that is where our politicians have gotten us. Oh well Slone, I've had my say on this matter for now. Here's wishing you and all of your clan a happy Thanksgiving.
lol

London, KY

#20 Nov 22, 2011
Jobs wrote:
<quoted text> How many coal permits have been denied since 2009 and how many have been issued? If you work in the "permitting industry" you should know that in October 2011, 73 permits were issued and only 1 was denied. As for our regions economy, such that it is, it has always been up and down depending on the coal market and that's a shame. Coal jobs have been in a steady decline since the 80's largely due to the mechanization of mining. If you want to blame someone for losing coal jobs you should blame the coal industry. They are in the business of making money, not making sure we have jobs. They don't want to hire 300 miners to do the work that 30 can do on a strip mine? And how long does that job on the strip last anyway? 5 years? We are years behind other areas because of coal. It's always the same old "tree hugger" comments from the ignorant, but seriously, open your eyes and look around you and see the poverty that coal has caused.
just wanted to repost this comment since it seems Mr. Slone pretty much ignored everything you said in it.

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