Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

MirthMenace wrote:

<quoted text>LMAO...Now why would anyone suspect a guy who attended a theology school and spent 30 years of his life as a pastor of having a theocratic agenda? Why would anyone suspect a guy who apparently thinks about little else (17,500+ posts) of being a bubble or two off plumb? Who would ever dream that a guy who believes women haven't evolved to lead would be mired in archaic thought? How could anyone draw the conclusion that a guy who routinely equates sodomy to same-sex marriage fancies himself in a position to preach to others what should and should not be acceptable (and legal) bedroom behavior? Greg, why is this issue of such vital importance to you, personally? What was it that inspired your crusade? Why do you devote as much time and energy as you do to this? I can't be the only one who'd be fascinated by your answers to these simple questions.

Nicely said. I suspect that KiMare is in prison and has nothing to do all day long except try to make good decent normal people feel worse than he does.

Funny...I was about to say the same about you.

Reverend Alan wrote:

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Nicely said. I suspect that KiMare is in prison and has nothing to do all day long except try to make good decent normal people feel worse than he does.

No PROS all CONS. SS marriage =wrong.

No PROS only CONS. SS marriage=Wrong.

Ss advocate wrote:

No PROS only CONS. SS marriage=Wrong.

Maybe for you. But basic human rights is a pro.

big guy, I hear you on basic human rights. I don't think most folks would disagree with you. Not me anyway. But society is certainly comprised of people of various faiths, each needing to be respected as "their" human right. Am I wrong?

So here's where I get stuck on this subject: As a Christian, the words of God are presented in the bible. The bible says SS is wrong, forbids it. So can we take away from the beliefs/rights of Christians to support the belief/rights of SS supporters? That does not seem right, correct? This is where I get stuck.

People have the privilege of doing what they want, but people do not have the right to ignore/disrespect others Christian beliefs. So they look for weasel ways around it. I get a head ach talking about this.

Neighbor wrote:

big guy, I hear you on basic human rights. I don't think most folks would disagree with you. Not me anyway. But society is certainly comprised of people of various faiths, each needing to be respected as "their" human right. Am I wrong?
So here's where I get stuck on this subject: As a Christian, the words of God are presented in the bible. The bible says SS is wrong, forbids it. So can we take away from the beliefs/rights of Christians to support the belief/rights of SS supporters? That does not seem right, correct? This is where I get stuck.
People have the privilege of doing what they want, but people do not have the right to ignore/disrespect others Christian beliefs. So they look for weasel ways around it. I get a head ach talking about this.

And do tell,what the hell does the bible have to do with secular marriage equality in America? Absolutely nothing,not to mention the bible does no such thing when it comes to homosexuality! Care to try again? This nation for the 100th time is a secular nation and not a theocracy! Now 14 states and counting,how many more in the coming year?

KiMare wrote:

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You missed nothing. You ignore it and demand that the 98% of married couples that could procreate capitulate to ss couples who can NEVER mutually procreate.
You disqualify every distinction between ss couples and marriage except the number of people, you ignore the medical violation of design, you desecrate and trample on religious and cultural traditions, you censor the distinction that evolutionary science clearly distinguishes, and then turn around demand all the rights and privileges based on those very distinctions.
I simply point of the idiocy of that foolish attempt by the refusal of reality to adjust to your deception and denial.
Smile.

Please explain exactly what a capitulation by opposite-sex amounts to, Greg. What is it you believe same-sex couples are demanding that will be so costly to opposite-sex married couples? I ignore the "medical violation of design"? That's hilarious, Greg! Tell me, do heterosexual couples ever engage in activities that are contrary to "design"? Should such activities be illegal? Should sexual behavior be limited only to procreative purposes by law? How does sanctioning same-sex marriage in any way desecrate or trample on religious or cultural traditions? Should your religious point of view be taken into consideration when laws are created or revised? What is evolutionary science to someone who takes the Genesis account literally? Whatl any of us Americans should demand, indeed what it is our duty to demand as Americans, is that each American is subject to the same rights and privileges we are guaranteed by the Constitution. What's clear is that you believe some people ought to be subject to different laws based on an arbitrary distinction. Are you gaining any ground on that front, Greg? Keep smiling. It only serves to better illustrate your Bible-based delusions.

KiMare wrote:
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You missed nothing. You ignore it and demand that the 98% of married couples that could procreate capitulate to ss couples who can NEVER mutually procreate.
You disqualify every distinction between ss couples and marriage except the number of people, you ignore the medical violation of design, you desecrate and trample on religious and cultural traditions, you censor the distinction that evolutionary science clearly distinguishes, and then turn around demand all the rights and privileges based on those very distinctions.
I simply point of the idiocy of that foolish attempt by the refusal of reality to adjust to your deception and denial.
Smile.

MirthMenace wrote:

<quoted text>Please explain exactly what a capitulation by opposite-sex amounts to, Greg. What is it you believe same-sex couples are demanding that will be so costly to opposite-sex married couples?

I have listed the differences many times. It is a lie to pretend the two relationships are the same. You are demanding I accept your lie. No.

MirthMenace wrote:

<quoted text>I ignore the "medical violation of design"? That's hilarious, Greg! Tell me, do heterosexual couples ever engage in activities that are contrary to "design"? Should such activities be illegal?

Why in the world would it matter who engages in harmful, unhealthy and demeaning acts? Are you really suggesting that because one group does something wrong, it makes it okay for everyone? Abuse is wrong, why are you attempting to excuse it?

MirthMenace wrote:

<quoted text>Should sexual behavior be limited only to procreative purposes by law?

Where did I assert any such thing?

MirthMenace wrote:

<quoted text>How does sanctioning same-sex marriage in any way desecrate or trample on religious or cultural traditions? Should your religious point of view be taken into consideration when laws are created or revised?

Civilized people are always considerate of others. However, in this instance, it is the special place of a relationship that crosses every single culture and major religion in human history.

[QUOTE who="MirthMenace"] <quoted text>What is evolutionary science to someone who takes the Genesis account literally?

You don't know how I take Genesis. What does it matter to someone who is denying evolutionary science?

MirthMenace wrote:

<quoted text>Whatl any of us Americans should demand, indeed what it is our duty to demand as Americans, is that each American is subject to the same rights and privileges we are guaranteed by the Constitution. What's clear is that you believe some people ought to be subject to different laws based on an arbitrary distinction. Are you gaining any ground on that front, Greg? Keep smiling. It only serves to better illustrate your Bible-based delusions.

I agree.

We do however have special rights for minorities. Marriage is one of those.

Ss couples don't qualify based on factual distinctions. And the reason I bother you is that reality is the ground I stand on. Your gay twirling does nothing to move it.

What really gets your goat, is that science and the Bible go hand in hand on this.

Smile.

Okay, enough is enough you Homo's need to get a life take a deep breath and then realize, no one cares you are gay.

KiMare wrote:

KiMare wrote:
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And the reason I bother you is that reality is the ground I stand on. Your gay twirling does nothing to move it.

It's comical how you perceive your opinions to be reality. This from the disgraced pastor with three forged sanity certificates and a schizophrenic personality...

Dusty Mangina wrote:

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It's comical how you perceive your opinions to be reality. This from the disgraced pastor with three forged sanity certificates and a schizophrenic personality...

LOL,

And that explains all the attention I garnish on here...

Especially from a poster who names himself after my non-functioning vagina and calls two penis' and no vagina a marriage!

KiMare wrote:

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LOL,
And that explains all the attention I garnish on here...
Especially from a poster who names himself after my non-functioning vagina and calls two penis' and no vagina a marriage!

Truth be Told.

This And That wrote:

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And do tell,what the hell does the bible have to do with secular marriage equality in America? Absolutely nothing,not to mention the bible does no such thing when it comes to homosexuality! Care to try again? This nation for the 100th time is a secular nation and not a theocracy! Now 14 states and counting,how many more in the coming year?

the bible does not support ss marriage. Theocracy is our nation.

Moses wrote:

<quoted text>the bible does not support ss marriage. Theocracy is our nation.

A man made fictional book, made to control people doesn't support what the government says. Oh no.

big guy wrote:

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A man made fictional book, made to control people doesn't support what the government says. Oh no.

Not to mention the Constitution and the 14th amendment! They keep losing battle after battle because they look and sound like fools and they've already lost the war and don't have the logic or critical thought to see what's in front of their face! Illinois will most likely have marriage equality within a year or so and that's a fact! 14 and counting,yes,gotta love that Constitution and the 14th amendment! Can you say bye,bye DOMA?!

This And That wrote:

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Not to mention the Constitution and the 14th amendment! They keep losing battle after battle because they look and sound like fools and they've already lost the war and don't have the logic or critical thought to see what's in front of their face! Illinois will most likely have marriage equality within a year or so and that's a fact! 14 and counting,yes,gotta love that Constitution and the 14th amendment! Can you say bye,bye DOMA?!

And still, SS couples are only ever mutually sterile pointlessly duplicate gendered halves of marriage.

SS marriage is an oxymoron.

KiMare wrote:

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Well, to start with, lets start with the start;
Genesis 1:1 is the first assertion of the Big Bang.
It includes human life being formed out of the earth, and first life being genderless.
And regarding the start of Jesus, the Virgin Birth is the first instance of an invitro procedure, something science did not achieve until 1943.
And at the start, there was the prediction that the Hebrews would be the only culture to maintain their identity in history WITH distinction in the end. This in spite of endless attempts to eradicate them. YOU should be aware of that! By the way, do you know the impact the Law has had on that identity?
Maybe you should check out conservative Christians to further your education. Just a thought.
Smile.

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Yeah..... ask a retard about education. You're a laugh riot, and your post is full of shit.

The first life being genderless? in your Buybull? You are nuts. Adam was male. The word adam means man in Hebrew, you stupid ass. And the virgin birth... yeah, riiiiiiiiiight.... tell us another one. Not everyone is a gullible idiot like you.