Do you recycle?

[Bill]

Big Ed wrote:

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Bill, you don't get around much do ya? This does not have anything to do with the Dow Park renovations. There are some who have left their recycling beside the bins when they were full and this was the ONLY way that the problem could be solved. When the renovation starts the entire site will be relocated. There is a special truck the employees fabricated to pick up the small dumpsters. The folks near there certainly sould not like the prison camp atmosphere that the fencing and lights display.

"The desire is to
make the P Street location a permanent recycling center in addition to the recycling
drop offsite at the Transfer Station"

City minutes indicate this will be a permanent location. Now when non residents come to Deer Park for a ball game or to enjoy the renovated park they can also bring their recycle material. Maybe with some landscape it will look much better.

[Big Ed]

Bill, Probably the supervisor over the sanatation dept looked into his crystal ball and said the fence was the ONLY solution. As this was the only option before council, majority wins.

After it is picked up it is taken to a secret undisclosed location and waterboarded.

There is a new Porkys way out 13th street on Underwood, give it a looksee.

[Bill]

Big Ed wrote:

Bill, Probably the supervisor over the sanatation dept looked into his crystal ball and said the fence was the ONLY solution. As this was the only option before council, majority wins.
After it is picked up it is taken to a secret undisclosed location and waterboarded.
There is a new Porkys way out 13th street on Underwood, give it a looksee.

I'll give it a looksee, never know who I might run into.'ll bring some extra socks.

[Bill]

Big Ed wrote:

Bill, Probably the supervisor over the sanatation dept looked into his crystal ball and said the fence was the ONLY solution. As this was the only option before council, majority wins.
After it is picked up it is taken to a secret undisclosed location and waterboarded.
There is a new Porkys way out 13th street on Underwood, give it a looksee.

Looks to me that another option was offered?

Councilman Pound asked I think that people that are serious about recycling will go to any location to recycle Could the recycling center be moved to the Transfer Station on Old Underwood which is staffed Monday through Saturday in addition to the reduction in
the cost of fuel to service the P Street location The citizens could be notified of the move through the Messenger and water billing Some citizens are not even aware that heavy trash is accepted on Saturday at the Transfer Station

[Weegi]

Bill wrote:

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Looks to me that another option was offered?
Councilman Pound asked I think that people that are serious about recycling will go to any location to recycle Could the recycling center be moved to the Transfer Station on Old Underwood which is staffed Monday through Saturday in addition to the reduction in
the cost of fuel to service the P Street location The citizens could be notified of the move through the Messenger and water billing Some citizens are not even aware that heavy trash is accepted on Saturday at the Transfer Station

To do my part,I would drive out to the Transfer Station to recycle. I would drive out to the Transfer Station in order to get rid of that what is now ugly recycling spot on P St.

[pop]

I went by the recycle location yesterday evening, it looked like the dump. Trash bags piled around every bin. Evidently there's not enough bins. I don't think this is the kind of image we want to portrayed so I really think this whole idea should be reevalutated. They'll never be able to squeeze in anymore bins inside the fenced in area, so the amount of recycling is restricted. Now if it were at the transfer station there would be no limit and there would be no way for it to become contaminated. Alot of tax dollars was spent on this project and it's a shame it was spent to make this small corner of the park look like a dump. It doesn't always look like this when I've passed by, but it did yesterday and it will again. Harsh maybe, but true.

[Weegi]

I agree with you Pop. It's like the city didn't get any imput from the people who use the recycling center before they made these changes. I'm not sure I can get my truck in and out of the fenced area without scraping the fence. I will have to walk my stuff inside the fenced area to the dumpsters.

[pop]

I saw two cars inside the fenced in area and wondered if they would be able to pull back out safely. I have noticed most people who recycle are older folks. They need to be able to pull up as far as they can so they don't have such a hard time lugging the stuff from their cars. Wouldn't it have been nice for them to drive up to the transfer station and someone be there to unload it for them?

[TWL]

The recycle at the schools is hauled by an independent company, not the city. The company is Abitibi Bowater, they have a recycling facility on Gasmer near S. Post Oak and 90. The recycle hauled by the city is not put in with the trash at the transfer station, it is taken to the Transfer Station and then hauled to a Materials Recycling Facility (MRF) to be sorted and sent out to the proper facilities. Whoever started the thread about the recycle being landfilled all the time needs to stop listening to people that dont know what they are talking about. The only time that happens is if the mixture of recycle material is greater than 60% trash. Anything under 40% is too much for the sort centers to handle and ends up costing more in the long run and doing more damage than just putting it in the ground. Which by the way, putting it in the ground is actually a very good thing. One landfill in town actually supports most of the electrical needs for the City of Humble and another in Houston actually gives its energy to Budweiser. Keep drinking boys! Yes, BigEd, Waste Management and all the other companies in town have literature about recycling, just call them.

[Big Ed]

Weegi wrote:

I agree with you Pop. It's like the city didn't get any imput from the people who use the recycling center before they made these changes. I'm not sure I can get my truck in and out of the fenced area without scraping the fence. I will have to walk my stuff inside the fenced area to the dumpsters.

weegi, You can get your truck into the prison camp. Its more fun to enter the exit only and vice versa.

[Weegi]

I saw where someone set fire to the recycle bin at DP Elementary. Instead of worrying about the fence I could just take my stuff to the transfer station. It was more convenient to use the bins on P St. I could stop by while I was out doing errands.

[Rhino]

TWL, you sound like one who recycles, or in waste business or just believe everything you are told about recycling at a city level. Tell us, what are the benefits to recycle as individuals and what is the benefits to the city. Dollars amounts prefered then the intangiables next please.

[TWL]

The benefits to the city are simple. The smaller the waste stream, the smaller the disposal bill! Its cheaper to recycle something than it is to put it in a landfill or transfer station. Business 101, dont need to be a garbage man to figure that one out. Yes I believe in recycling. We all recycle, we just dont realize it. You wash dishes right, and clothes? How is that any different? You are using something and returning it to a form in which you can use it again at a minimal cost to yourself. That is the bottom line of recycling, why would anyone not want to do it.

So Rhino, bottom line, its all a money issue for everyone involved. And no, I hardly ever belive anything anyone at a city level, or any level for that matter, tells me, unless I know them personally and can verify what they are saying. None of this is anything that a little research couldnt figure out. Now, tell us, whats your angle with the questioning? Could you not have gone out and studied this for yourself, or were you simply trying to cast a net?

[Big Ed]

Big Ed wrote:

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weegi, You can get your truck into the prison camp. Its more fun to enter the exit only and vice versa.

Thank you to whoever sent me the funny icon. It does so bewilder the employees when they are trying to follow the rules.

[DPTX]

I think rhino wanted real dollars to compare.

The analogy of washing your clothes and dishes, to recycling waste does not seem to bear out your perception. If it is cheaper to recycle, then why does most items claiming to be made from "recycled materials" typically cost more?

In actuality, it costs less to manufacture a new plastic bottle than to recycle that same plastic bottle.

So, to tell rhino to do his own homework seems a little off-base, as you did not provide any real information to justify your own assumptions. Perhaps you should do a little of your own homework prior to making claims that recycling your clothes is the same as recycling your trash.

By the way, why don't they recycle your clothes? Most of the clothes recycling I've seen, is usually large boxes of RAGS, which people throw away after using. Surely they should be able to break down the fibers and spin some new thread, if such things are so economical.

[TWL]

dptx,
your a moron!!!!!!!!!!

Go visit a landfill and a mrf and a transfer station. recycled material cost more because of idiots like al gore, not because of the cost of making it. besides that the overall cost of making things from recycled material is always less due to the decreased cost of the actual harvesting of the initial materials. if you cant grasp this then you need to do your own homework.

[DPTX]

TWL wrote:

dptx,
your a moron!!!!!!!!!!
Go visit a landfill and a mrf and a transfer station. recycled material cost more because of idiots like al gore, not because of the cost of making it. besides that the overall cost of making things from recycled material is always less due to the decreased cost of the actual harvesting of the initial materials. if you cant grasp this then you need to do your own homework.

WHAT? Please tell me how visiting a landfill, mrf or transfer station is going to answer the questions I asked of you... and you have the gall to call me a moron??? Talk about idiocy, at its finest!(So, are you related to Al Gore?)

Let me see if I can simplify this for you, Simpleton.

Please explain why recycled material costs more.
Please provide references to substantiate your claims that recycled materials cost less to produce.

Now, YOU made the claims.
Provide the info, instead of trying to crawfish out of the hole you're digging yourself into (soon to become the next landfill), as you try to tell others to do their own homework.

If you can't provide the justification for YOUR claims, then it's most likely that you don't know what you're talking about and just making your own assumptions. So, where did you learn all about the costs of recycling?

[DPTX]

For your reading pleasure:
http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/...
http://www.ehponline.org/realfiles/docs/1995/...
http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/dec_2003/t...
http://wasteage.com/mag/waste_recycling_pay/
http://www.washburnreview.org/2.5492/the-hidd...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recycling

You might actually find that this is largely a controversial topic of differing opinions, based on a variety of information. For every point one side makes, there is an opposing point from the other side that disputes the basis of information provided.

It also depends on the particular product that one may reference, as some may be more cost effective than others... while others are more costly than the manufacturing of virgin products.

So, there's a bit of homework for ya.

[sdjs]

TWL wrote:

dptx,
your a moron!!!!!!!!!!
Go visit a landfill and a mrf and a transfer station. recycled material cost more because of idiots like al gore, not because of the cost of making it. besides that the overall cost of making things from recycled material is always less due to the decreased cost of the actual harvesting of the initial materials. if you cant grasp this then you need to do your own homework.

Sometimes I just can't help myself.... You're not your.....

[Big Ed]

DPTX wrote:

<quoted text>WHAT? Please tell me how visiting a landfill, mrf or transfer station is going to answer the questions I asked of you... and you have the gall to call me a moron??? Talk about idiocy, at its finest!(So, are you related to Al Gore?)
Let me see if I can simplify this for you, Simpleton.
Please explain why recycled material costs more.
Please provide references to substantiate your claims that recycled materials cost less to produce.
Now, YOU made the claims.
Provide the info, instead of trying to crawfish out of the hole you're digging yourself into (soon to become the next landfill), as you try to tell others to do their own homework.
If you can't provide the justification for YOUR claims, then it's most likely that you don't know what you're talking about and just making your own assumptions. So, where did you learn all about the costs of recycling?

Dippy, Don't let the TroWL pick on you. Ya got the Shreveport sister against the wall. Keep punching!