Rajputs are illegitimate sons of kshatriya

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gujjar

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#1 Dec 9, 2011
during Early vedic age, there was niether caste nor varna. But during later vedic age period, there started four varna (or caste) according to people's jobs.
1. kshatriya - the people who used to fight or rule. this was the uppermost caste.
2. Brahmin - the pujaris. or people usually used to worship God etc.
3. Vaisya - the people who used to do private business etc., were known as vaisya
4. shudra - the people who were not so educated according to that time and used to serve other people.

the above caste system was just based on the jobs of the peopole like we have today 1st class, 2nd class , 3rd class jobs in govt sector.

in today's world, the people who fight for our country or who rule
the country are known as SOLDIERS, POLICE AND POLITICIANS (IN THE SAME WAY THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE USED TO KNOWN AS KSHATRIYA IN ANCEINT INDIA)

like we have people who work at good postion and social refomers in india today.(you could say them the Brahmin of ancient india.)

Now what happened in ancient india, these professional became heredity like kshatriya's son became kshatriya nad brahmin's son became brahmin. this kind of system we still have in india like politician's son becomes politician or doctor's son becomes doctor or bollywood actor's son becomes actor.

so in this way this caste became rigid in ancient india. Kshatriya used to enjoy uppermost position but there always used to be argument between brahmin and kshatriyas that who has first position.

for your knowledge, hindu Granth like ramayan who was written in almost 4000 to 6000 slokas but today it has becaome almost more than 24000 slokas because brahmin changed it to make their position better and they praised about themselves(brahmin). you can read it in ramayan or mahabharat as they always praised about themselves.
AND IT IS SAID PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN SWORD.
now, there are still kshatriyas who are known by many communities(like Gujjar, yadu, chauhan etc.). when LORD BUDDHA opposed wrong social customs of our society and opposed cateism and people started following his teaching and made new religion BUDDHISM. BUDDHISM was spreading at very fast and it got royal support.
at the same time kshatriya used to have sex with lower or other caste people using their power.
then a section of shudra or sons who were illegitimate sons of kshatriya originated in almost 6-8th century. at that people used to call these people randput (son of prostitute or rakhel).
but these people flourished and progressed with time. when buddhism was it at its extent brhamin got scared and dealt with that section of shudra that they would help those shudra(randput). at two condition that first
they would oppose buddhism
and second they would give first priority to brahmins.
shudra accepeted it and with the help brahmin they got kingdoms.
and RANDPUT BECAME RJAPUT, who were actually shudra.

then from almost 9th century muslims started inavding india and started ruling india. Muslims became powerful in india . every community of kshatriyas opposed and rajputs also opposed them but lost every battle but RAJPUTS played a mind game that they made relation to muslims marrying their daughters and sisters to muslims so that rajputs could get good position in the rule of muslims.
and yes, rajputs used all those names which real kshatriyas used.

and when britishers came to india Rajputs didn't oppose them but they became their allies and rajputs even helped british in 1857. so rajputs also became their favorite so even british gave them kshatriya title to use them for theirselves.
so the real kshatriya are others here I don't want to name them to avoid use of bad language and rajputs are shudrta they are not kshatriyas but illegitimate sons of kshatriya.

but today we should not use these caste words.
lurker

Warwick, NY

#2 Dec 12, 2011
So whats your point ?
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#3 Feb 26, 2012
gujjar wrote:
during Early vedic age, there was niether caste nor varna. But during later vedic age period, there started four varna (or caste) according to people's jobs.
1. kshatriya - the people who used to fight or rule. this was the uppermost caste.
2. Brahmin - the pujaris. or people usually used to worship God etc.
3. Vaisya - the people who used to do private business etc., were known as vaisya
4. shudra - the people who were not so educated according to that time and used to serve other people.
the above caste system was just based on the jobs of the peopole like we have today 1st class, 2nd class , 3rd class jobs in govt sector.
in today's world, the people who fight for our country or who rule
the country are known as SOLDIERS, POLICE AND POLITICIANS (IN THE SAME WAY THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE USED TO KNOWN AS KSHATRIYA IN ANCEINT INDIA)
like we have people who work at good postion and social refomers in india today.(you could say them the Brahmin of ancient india.)
Now what happened in ancient india, these professional became heredity like kshatriya's son became kshatriya nad brahmin's son became brahmin. this kind of system we still have in india like politician's son becomes politician or doctor's son becomes doctor or bollywood actor's son becomes actor.
so in this way this caste became rigid in ancient india. Kshatriya used to enjoy uppermost position but there always used to be argument between brahmin and kshatriyas that who has first position.
for your knowledge, hindu Granth like ramayan who was written in almost 4000 to 6000 slokas but today it has becaome almost more than 24000 slokas because brahmin changed it to make their position better and they praised about themselves(brahmin). you can read it in ramayan or mahabharat as they always praised about themselves.
AND IT IS SAID PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN SWORD.
now, there are still kshatriyas who are known by many communities(like Gujjar, yadu, chauhan etc.). when LORD BUDDHA opposed wrong social customs of our society and opposed cateism and people started following his teaching and made new religion BUDDHISM. BUDDHISM was spreading at very fast and it got royal support.
at the same time kshatriya used to have sex with lower or other caste people using their power.
then a section of shudra or sons who were illegitimate sons of kshatriya originated in almost 6-8th century. at that people used to call these people randput (son of prostitute or rakhel).
but these people flourished and progressed with time. when buddhism was it at its extent brhamin got scared and dealt with that section of shudra that they would help those shudra(randput). at two condition that first
they would oppose buddhism
and second they would give first priority to brahmins.
shudra accepeted it and with the help brahmin they got kingdoms.
and RANDPUT BECAME RJAPUT, who were actually shudra.
then from almost 9th century muslims started inavding india and started ruling india. Muslims became powerful in india . every community of kshatriyas opposed and rajputs also opposed them but lost every battle but RAJPUTS played a mind game that they made relation to muslims marrying their daughters and sisters to muslims so that rajputs could get good position in the rule of muslims.
and yes, rajputs used all those names which real kshatriyas used.
and when britishers came to india Rajputs didn't oppose them but they became their allies and rajputs even helped british in 1857. so rajputs also became their favorite so even british gave them kshatriya title to use them for theirselves.
so the real kshatriya are others here I don't want to name them to avoid use of bad language and rajputs are shudrta they are not kshatriyas but illegitimate sons of kshatriya.
but today we should not use these caste words.
EVERYBODY knows that in India..particularly in north India..there are only 5 pure kshatriya communities..GUJJARS+MEENAS+JA ATS+YADAV AND MARATHA
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#54 May 7, 2012
as per scholars..n net
there illegimate children are rajputs
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#55 May 7, 2012
kanha shudra rajput aur kanha…veer gurjar..soach ke to compare karna chaiye tha kam se kam………ya history bilkul nai padi…..gujjars were the rulers of whole north and western India till 12th century…..
According to a number of scholars, Chauhan was a prominent clan of Gurjaras.[14][15] Historian Sir Jervoise Athelstane Baines states that the Gurjars were forefathers of the Sisodiyas.[16]
• Mihira Bhoja I, ruler of Gurjara-Pratihara Dynasty
• Prataprao Gujar (actual name Kudtoji Gujar) was the third royal Sarnaubat (Commander-in-chief) of Shivaji's army, which was probably the most successful army in 17th-century India.
• Shri Devnarayan Bhagwan, medieval hero from Rajasthan who is worshipped as a folk deity
• Raja Nain Singh
• Prithviraj Chauhan, according to several scholars, was of Gurjar origin.[14][15]
• Udai Singh Nagari, Nagari Gurjar ruler who fought against Babur[17]
• Mata Gujri, wife of Guru Tegh Bahadur and mother of Guru Gobind Singh
• Anangpal Tomar
• Several scholars including D. B. Bhandarkar, Baij Nath Puri and A. F. Rudolf Hoernle believe that the Pratiharas were a branch of Gurjars.[10][11][12][13][14][1 5] The Pratihara dynasty is referred to as Gurjara Pratiharanvayah, i.e., Pratihara clan of the Gurjaras or veer gujjars, in line 4 of the "Rajor inscription The historian Rama Shankar Tripathi states that the Rajor inscription confirms the Gurjara origin of pratihara kshatriyas.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#56 May 7, 2012
Rajput,why are u behind the great jaats....why do you hate jaats..People like you only responsible for all internet hatred among Indian people and castes.
people like you are trying to divide and spreading hatred in obc..sc..st..,but everybody is now educated and knows ur politics..it is a matter of proud to be in obc or sc or st(backward classes)..as it shows that they(pure kshatriyas) were loyal to the country in past..we fought against..foreign invaders..eg..Prithviraj Chauhan gujjar fought in battle of tarain..jaats fought in bharatpur..tribal like minas and bheels fought mughals..jaat,meena,gujjars also fought in 1857..hence loyal castes become backward gradually..stop wrong propaganda against obc/sc/st please.jaat,meena,gujjars are brothers since centuries..due to their loyalty for Hindustan....and people like u..gave daughters to mughals..instead of war. Everbody knows truth..if u dont know..then see great historical movie jodha-akbar.sab jaante hai kisne gaddari ki.so stop this thread here and do not spread hatred.we are Indians first.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#57 May 7, 2012
A tragedy in medival India)

REFERENCES ALSO INCLUDE…the following account is mainly drawn from a school text book, "History of India (Hindu period)" by Prof. L. Mukherjee, M.A., 26th edition., p 198 ff.
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Chapter 8
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RAJPUT PERIOD WAS DARK AGE OF INDIA

After the fall of Harshavardhana was the time when a new people
It was a transition period marked by a new grouping of states due to Hun invasions
The series of invasions by the Huns and other associated foreign tribes in the fifth and sixth centuries shook the fabric of the society and brought a rearrangement of the caste system and of the ruling dynasties. The destructive effects of the Hun inroads were, to a certain extent, arrested by Harsha but as soon as his strong hand was removed, they manifested themselves in a regrouping of states. Hence the latter half of seventh century, during which this new grouping of states took place, is regarded as a period of transition from early to medieval India. The most prominent feature of this transitional period is the rise of the Rajput Clans.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#58 May 7, 2012
India split up into numerous states due to absence of a paramount power
Another feature of this period is that during this long interval, India was not permanently occupied by any foreign people. The country was split up into a large number of states ruled by local kings, often at war with each other. There was no paramount power to unite together under one rule the various kingdoms each of which pursued its own course quite independently. Hence the history of this period lacks unity and can not be conveniently presented as a continuous narrative.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#59 May 7, 2012
The Rajput were mostly of foreign origin
"The term 'Rajput' does not occur in early Sanskrit literature nor do we hear of Rajput clans before the eighth century A.D. This proves that they were a later addition to the population of India. During the troubled times that followed the breakup of the Gupta Empire, many foreign races such as the Huns, the Gurjaras, etc. settled in the Punjab and Rajputana and became Hinduised in course of time. The illegitimate children of these foreigners, came to be known as Rajputs.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#60 May 7, 2012
They were descended from Hinduised Gurjars and other foreign tribes
Therefore, the division of the same class of people into different social grades was based not on birth but on occupation. Of the Hinduised descendants of the original invaders, those who belonged to ruling classes, with war and government as their chief business, came to be treated as Kshatriyas. The common people, on the other hand, given the rank of lower castes.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#61 May 7, 2012
Proof of foreign (scythian) origin of Rajputs
The Rajputs according to Tod, are of Scythian origin. He includes under the designation of the Scythian, the nomad hordes of foreign tribes who swooped down upon India during fifth and sixth centuries A.D. Thus the term Scythian refers to the Huns and other associated tribes. Smith puts forward the following arguments to prove the foreign origin of Rajputs.:-
The Pratihara clan of Kanauj has been proved to be of Gurjara origin
It is now clearly established that the Huns made their permanent settlements mainly in the Punjab and Rajputana. The Gurjaras, the most important of the Hun group of tribes established a powerful dynasty in Kanauj. It has now been definitely proved that Bhoja and other kings of the dynasty belonged to the Pratihara clan of the Gurjara tribe. Hence the famous Pratihara or Paramara clan of Rajputs was certainly descended from the Gurjara stock. The fact that one of the well known Rajput clans is undoubtedly of Gurjara stock raises a strong presumption that the other clans also are the descendants from the Gurjaras or the allied foreign immigrants.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#62 May 7, 2012
Why was the word used to denote illegitimate children?
Though the word "Rajput" is supposed to be a corrupted form of the Sanskrit word 'Raajaputra' which means a "scion of the royal blood" and that the word occurs in the Puranas and also in the Harshcharita of Bana, Mahajan is honest enogh to accept that the word, in earlier times and in some areas even now, had an disrespectful meaning, as he says:
"The word "Rajput" is used in certain parts of Rajasthan to denote the illegitimate sons of a Kshatriya chief or Jagirdar." [Mahajan: 1972: 550 ff.]
Mahajan does not explain why this is so. But the conclusion is obvious that they were not considered by the original residents to be respectable, to start with. This is because "Raaja" means royal but "Raj" means semen. The progeny of mixed marriages is even now called by that name in some parts.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#63 May 7, 2012
Tod's views about their Origin
There are many theories about the origin of the Rajputs. Mahajan summerizes Tod's views.[[Mahajan: 1972: p.551] According to Tod, the Rajputs were the descendants of the Sakas, Hunas, Kushanas, Gurajaras, etc., who came to India and settled there.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#64 May 7, 2012
The people were kept in ignorances, fed with unwholesome superstition and beguilded with gorgeous and never ending festivals." The Hindus were losing their old assimilative power. They were losing their old vitality.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#65 May 7, 2012
Though the word "Rajput" is supposed to be a corrupted form of the Sanskrit word 'Raajaputra' which means a "scion of the royal blood" and that the word occurs in the Puranas and also in the Harshcharita of Bana, Mahajan is honest enough to accept that the word, in earlier times and in some areas even now, had an disrespectful meaning. The Vedic Rajas & old Kshatriyas,not satisfied with their married wives,had frequently children by their female slaves,who although not legitimate successors to the throne,these illegitimate children were styled Rajpoots,or the children of Rajas"The word "Rajput" is used in certain parts of Rajasthan to denote the illegitimate sons of a Kshatriya chief or JAGIRDARS." [Mahajan: 1972: 550 ff.] The conclusion is obvious that they were not considered by the original residents to be respectable, to start with. This is because "Raaja" means royal but "Raj" means semen. The progeny of mixed marriages is even now called by that name in some parts. The condition of woman was deteriorating. The question of women education was unthinkable. Obscene Art flourished during Rajput age. The originality of the ancient times was lost and the ancient culture degenerated. The country fell into the hands of Rajput barons, soon to be followed by the Mohammedan invaders who completed the work of annihilation. Rajput age was a Dark Age for masses of India.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#66 May 7, 2012
ye randput kisi ko khate hue nahi dekh sakte..
ajkal ye jaato k piche pad gaye..thu bhen k lode tujh par..
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#67 May 7, 2012
pimp rajput..tumse jyada hybrid caste hi nai h dunia mein..tum kya barabari karoge..royal jaato ki..ya tumhare baap meenao aur gujjars ki..it is afact see history properly..u were illlegimate childrens of kshatriyas..jaat..meena..gujja r.
in 13th century.dere were 5 varnas ..rajputs..the illegimate sons..are far lower than shudras..even a chamaar..bhangi is very higher caste than rajputs.
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#68 May 7, 2012
REFERENCES..
"Rajput tribes in North India,mainly in Rajputana(Rajasthan state)are the decendents of ROYAL AGNIVANSHI gujjars,KSHATRIYA Jaats, YADUVANSHI Yadavas N AGNIVANSHI meenas
Rajpoots entertained Muslim invaders(MUGHALS) and British officers and offered them sexual comfort in their houses to get favour and got lands and estates in return by committing innumerable atrocities on poor Indians."
R. Seymore-"Geographical Survey of India"-British Gazettie
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#69 May 7, 2012
JAAT and YADAV and GUJJARS are in reserved class..because they are loyal races in past..jo general mein aate hai..gaddar hai..brahmins n baniya,aaur kuch castes ko chhod kar
brahmins+jaat+yadav+gujjar..in dian power
KSHATRIYA

Mumbai, India

#70 May 7, 2012
rajput is a shudra caste there all history is built in 20th century..so all there history is fake

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