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Highland Citizen

Albers, IL

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#1
Jan 26, 2010
 
I heard rumors that the Highland School District is facing a $1.7 million deficit. Anyone know what is going on and what and who will be cut? I also heard the triad district has a $2 million deficit. I pray for all of the teachers and staff at the schools who will find out they are losing their job in a few months if this is true.
Simpleman1

O Fallon, IL

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#2
Jan 26, 2010
 
The reasons why so many Illinois school districts face large deficits for the upcoming 10/11 school-year is primarily due to the State of Illinois' budget woes...... The State is not delivering the usual funding that is promised to districts each year due to the economy --- so without this money, the districts have to make cuts. What will go first is sports and programs such as that....
Elise

Muncie, IN

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#3
Jan 26, 2010
 
I guess Lottery money doesn't go to the schools like they have always told us. The district my kids went to middle and high school in has been in trouble for a long time. Our Taxes our outragous! We own a $110,000 house ( about low middle range for this area) and my real eastate taxes are about $4500 a year. The school district gets just over half of that. We are still in trouble here.
movin on

Troy, IL

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#4
Jan 27, 2010
 
They will probably just raise property taxes again to make up for the deficit. The always seem to take it out on the home owner. All the have to do is seal the blacktop parking lots at the high school and your taxes will go up. I'm sorry I ever moved here almost 12 years ago. My taxes are so high, I can't wait to sell my home and move. Missouri is looking better all the time.
Bigbrother

Saint Louis, MO

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#5
Jan 28, 2010
 
The reason why Illinois school districts face large deficits is because of the State of Illinois budget woes caused by Illinois' teachers pensions! Wanna know how much teachers make? Look at http://www.championnews.net/salaries.php
Pay particular attention to administrators salaries.
Please also do some investigation on retirement and health care for teachers cost Illinois taxpayers. Ridiculous!
Catherine

Highland, IL

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#6
Jan 28, 2010
 
Bigbrother wrote:
The reason why Illinois school districts face large deficits is because of the State of Illinois budget woes caused by Illinois' teachers pensions! Wanna know how much teachers make? Look at http://www.championnews.net/salaries.php
Pay particular attention to administrators salaries.
Please also do some investigation on retirement and health care for teachers cost Illinois taxpayers. Ridiculous!
Big Brother- Teachers pensions are based upon the average of the last 3 years of their salaries. They get 75% of that. Like many other 'businesses' in this country, they get a pension. There are no 401K options and no Social Security can be collected, so TRS is their method for retirement. Please do not blame teachers for governmental problems. Look to the politicians this time.
Samantha

Highland, IL

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#7
Jan 28, 2010
 
Bigbrother wrote:
The reason why Illinois school districts face large deficits is because of the State of Illinois budget woes caused by Illinois' teachers pensions! Wanna know how much teachers make? Look at http://www.championnews.net/salaries.php
Pay particular attention to administrators salaries.
Please also do some investigation on retirement and health care for teachers cost Illinois taxpayers. Ridiculous!
Big Brother - Teachers contribute 9.4% of their salaries into their retirement system (TRS). An educator can retire after 35 years of teaching and then receive 75% of the average of their last 3 years of their salary. There is NO Social Security involved, and no 401K is an option. After retirement there are NO health benefits for teachers. Please do not blame this one on teachers or teacher salaries. Blame the government.
BTW - Every school district in Illinois is facing mass lay-offs and cutbacks just like many other businesses in this country. It's not Highland specific.
Highland

Glen Carbon, IL

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#8
Jan 28, 2010
 
Highland CUSD 5 2008 -
Abbott, Susan L $60,832
Adamick, Jeanette E $35,348
Ahlgren, Lisa M $47,351
Albers, Ann M $39,093
Allen, Gregory J $58,101
Ammann, Teri S $37,300
Armbruster, Irene G $50,589
Atherton, Ada J $43,787
Athmer, Heather E $43,057
Ayer, Holly C $36,820
Baer, Erick R $66,275
Baker, Arlen L $75,022
Baker, Colleen M $15,323
Barnett, Cheryl A $42,373
Barr, Rene L $33,322
Basden, Liza S $59,316
Belford, Carrie L $43,289
Bellm, Shirley M $68,734
Berg, Linda R $43,770
Bergman, Mary C $69,372
Bernal, Mindy A $53,321
Bertels, Malinda D $36,046
Beyer, Tina M $57,040
Bivens-Pasley, Dana L $20,802
Boda, Heather L $40,247
Bottom, Linda K $54,656
Bradley, Douglas C $59,230
Brauns, Jeffrey S $54,843
Brauns, Susan K $71,476
Brinkman, Tonya M $58,185
Brown, Nikki L $22,072
Brown, Staci L $39,803
Bruno, Dawn D $47,418
Burns, Katherine $67,073
Burns, Thomas J $66,875
Carlson, Robin A $72,831
Charnisky, Krista M $45,737
Chestnut, Marcella J $67,883
Cipicchio, Theodore D $74,339
Clasquin, Kimberly M $45,499
Clemons, Krista D $46,787
Cleveland, Nina K $43,958
Conway, Mathew S $44,207
Conzelman, Tiffany M $44,369
Coode, Susan G $47,721
Counts, Belinda F $40,669
Cox, Kristy L $43,818
Coziar, John B $41,719
Coziar, Kelly M $51,461
Cryder, Janet M $67,667
Daiber, Danette K $54,517
Davis, Robert D $34,610
De Selm, Jean M $67,222
Deets, Michelle L $71,991
Deibert, Bruce N $49,652
Duckworth, Karen D $60,266
Duft, Tami L $55,525
Dugger, Clay M $51,686
Duncan, Margaret A $66,461
Durbin, Christopher P $59,290
Ebener, Robert J $99,338
Elledge, Matthew K $65,447
Elliott, Joann L $67,814
Faulkenberg, Pamela L $57,264
Favre, Dana L $40,844
Ficker, Michelle J $57,607
Fields, Rebecca M $44,041
Fischer, Bonnie K $29,467
Ford, Christine L $41,202
Fralinger, Deborah C $41,580
Franklin, Patricia L $68,129
Fredericksen, Heidi S $50,361
Fredericksen, Matthew L $68,398
Gaffner, Sherri D $28,435
Gallatin, James W $76,444
Gauen, Karen E $78,198
Geiger, Dena R $44,919
Genczo, Kathryn A $66,925
Genteman, Nancy J $42,759
Geppert, Frederick M $45,430
Giger, David J $55,165
Golder, Christy K $43,531
Grapperhaus, Carla J $74,408
Grigg, Brenda J $49,451
Gruender, Sheila A $68,100
Hall, Jody L $44,972
Harrison, Jo Ellen J $76,614
Hartlieb, Chris T $56,268
Hawkins, Joel A $71,825
Heinzmann, Melissa D $38,385
Heyen, Barbara $78,233
Hickey, Anne M $69,917
Hirsch, Ragina M $72,477
Holcmann, Amanda K $40,169
Holt, Ronald D $63,256
Holt-Mollet, Jacqueline $73,885
Hooker, Susan R $72,218
Hoppes, Taryn L $41,773
Horrell, Nancy J $74,888
Houchins, Caleb R $45,713
Hubbard, Dawn R $42,477
Huffman, Deawndra M $33,540
Hughes, Vincent L $83,039
Huhn, Michelle T $34,255
Humes, Jeffrey D $79,801
Hummel, Ashley S $29,010
Hyre, Chastity L $46,778
Jackson, Mary S $44,955
Johnson, Richard K $69,806
Jones, Cordean E $44,270
Jones, Dawn C $45,600
Jones, Larry K $87,685
Kassly, Susan M $37,474
Kay, Barbara L $74,573
Keeney, Kimberly A $40,233
Keeven, Deborah A $44,008
Kellerstrass, Katherine $57,331
Kimmle, Valerie K $18,704
Klein, Peter $39,292
Klostermann, Jill K $35,846
Knackstedt, Jeremiah J $37,775
Koch, Audrey M $67,076
Korte, Brenda R $53,380
Korte, Julie A $88,238
Korte, Renae J $52,773
Kuberski, Jae Lynn $44,261
Laack, Megan R $34,879
Laird, Sheila A $45,269
Lanxon, Steven W $94,262
Limmer, Beth E $49,875
Lowder, Khourtney L $34,710
Lurkins, Terri L $43,124
MacMillan, Dawn L $67,528
Manhart, Tammy S $30,976
Manker, Amy E $9,904
Martin, Rachel D $19,463
Martz, Susan S $58,876
Massey, Deborah C $62,020
Mertes, Brenda C $45,547
Mesle, Kim D $62,388
Meyer, Suzanne E $74,231
Mortland, Susan J $59,802
Moss, Terri L $34,186
Mueller, Keri A $48,011
Murphy, Jamie D $57,389
Murphy, Michelle L $42,841
Highland

Glen Carbon, IL

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Jan 28, 2010
 
Nathan, Joanne E $63,742
Nave, Karen B $42,080
Nelson, Linda L $78,838
Nelson, Martha J $50,534
Newton, Andrea L $12,586
Newton, Lynnette S $104,857
Nickerson, James C $49,522
O'Toole, Margaret H $14,257
Oliveira, S. Denise $40,502
Osterwisch, Diana L $54,484
Palmer, Karen S $45,587
Pantenburg, Jamie L $21,910
Paul, Diane L $57,065
Paur, Marilyn S $41,120
Perkes, Melissa A $44,633
Plocher, Donna J $62,175
Powell, Amy M $38,645
Powers, Angela E $40,221
Probst, Carol J $97,624
Ramsey, Jodie L $60,028
Rinderer, Jon A $45,727
Romero, Kimberly S $40,119
Ruebhausen, Lori E $72,500
Ruschhaupt, Jennifer A $20,851
Rust, Karen S $47,339
Rusteberg, Michelle L $46,579
Schaefer, Katherine L $45,104
Schaefer-Kronk, Susan L $53,959
Schatz, Teri A $39,347
Schmitz, Donald F $66,094
Schmitz, Sharon K $58,064
Scholl, Mecala J $44,016
Schwappach, Stephanie A $28,217
Shaw, Dale A $57,275
Shea, Paula Z $65,137
Shively, Shianne $46,526
Simmons, Kristie R $38,328
Sinnock, Jill C $45,326
Smith, Carol A $23,308
Snyder, Joanne R $33,968
Sparlin, Connie K $58,480
Spies, Kerri L $37,137
Stearns, Linda $53,237
Steiner, Dawn M $59,146
Stillwagon, Frank E $75,725
Stirewalt, Gayla J $57,420
Strackeljahn, Erin L $41,234
Strong, Todd W $51,912
Suhre, Donna J $84,045
Swank, Patricia K $71,315
Tally, Barbara A $49,293
Taylor, Carol S $36,220
Taylor, Lesley A $36,694
Thebus, Martha E $67,795
Thies, Terri L $37,945
Thomas, Barry C $122,740
Thomas, Sherry L $76,383
Thomas, Terri L $23,578
Timm, Deanna $49,374
Tolbert, Cindy M $44,667
Townsend, Patricia A $36,802
Tucker, Theresa A $43,374
Twyford, Karen A $57,432
Uhls, Joseph M $47,712
Vance, Robert E $59,864
Vogelman, Sarah A $46,364
Wagenblast, Hilary A $44,545
Wagner, Jamie A $4,539
Wagner, Judith A $55,669
Walker, Katherine M $45,332
Wander-Vrell, Laura J $46,428
Warner, Marvin R $154,376
Wartick, Michael C $40,963
Watts, Linda M $51,638
Watts, Pamela A $50,199
Weber, Samuel R $47,752
Weder, Elizabeth M $42,995
Weiss, Catherine A $70,085
Weiss, Josie L $34,921
Wessel, Jane M $43,783
Wildhaber, Carla K $51,640
Wilkins, Carla J $40,892
Wilson, Christopher G $41,597
Wilson, Dana F $44,607
Wise, Kari A $60,057
Wolfe, Cheryl L $69,265
Highland

Glen Carbon, IL

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#10
Jan 28, 2010
 
Highland CUSD 5 2008 - Download data
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NAME SALARY
Abbott, Susan L $60,832
Adamick, Jeanette E $35,348
Ahlgren, Lisa M $47,351
Albers, Ann M $39,093
Allen, Gregory J $58,101
Ammann, Teri S $37,300
Armbruster, Irene G $50,589
Atherton, Ada J $43,787
Athmer, Heather E $43,057
Ayer, Holly C $36,820
Baer, Erick R $66,275
Baker, Arlen L $75,022
Baker, Colleen M $15,323
Barnett, Cheryl A $42,373
Barr, Rene L $33,322
Basden, Liza S $59,316
Belford, Carrie L $43,289
Bellm, Shirley M $68,734
Berg, Linda R $43,770
Bergman, Mary C $69,372
Bernal, Mindy A $53,321
Bertels, Malinda D $36,046
Beyer, Tina M $57,040
Bivens-Pasley, Dana L $20,802
Boda, Heather L $40,247
Bottom, Linda K $54,656
Bradley, Douglas C $59,230
Brauns, Jeffrey S $54,843
Brauns, Susan K $71,476
Brinkman, Tonya M $58,185
Brown, Nikki L $22,072
Brown, Staci L $39,803
Bruno, Dawn D $47,418
Burns, Katherine $67,073
Burns, Thomas J $66,875
Carlson, Robin A $72,831
Charnisky, Krista M $45,737
Chestnut, Marcella J $67,883
Cipicchio, Theodore D $74,339
Clasquin, Kimberly M $45,499
Clemons, Krista D $46,787
Cleveland, Nina K $43,958
Conway, Mathew S $44,207
Conzelman, Tiffany M $44,369
Coode, Susan G $47,721
Counts, Belinda F $40,669
Cox, Kristy L $43,818
Coziar, John B $41,719
Coziar, Kelly M $51,461
Cryder, Janet M $67,667
Daiber, Danette K $54,517
Davis, Robert D $34,610
De Selm, Jean M $67,222
Deets, Michelle L $71,991
Deibert, Bruce N $49,652
Duckworth, Karen D $60,266
Duft, Tami L $55,525
Dugger, Clay M $51,686
Duncan, Margaret A $66,461
Durbin, Christopher P $59,290
Ebener, Robert J $99,338
Elledge, Matthew K $65,447
Elliott, Joann L $67,814
Highland

Glen Carbon, IL

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Jan 28, 2010
 
Faulkenberg, Pamela L $57,264
Favre, Dana L $40,844
Ficker, Michelle J $57,607
Fields, Rebecca M $44,041
Fischer, Bonnie K $29,467
Ford, Christine L $41,202
Fralinger, Deborah C $41,580
Franklin, Patricia L $68,129
Fredericksen, Heidi S $50,361
Fredericksen, Matthew L $68,398
Gaffner, Sherri D $28,435
Gallatin, James W $76,444
Gauen, Karen E $78,198
Geiger, Dena R $44,919
Genczo, Kathryn A $66,925
Genteman, Nancy J $42,759
Geppert, Frederick M $45,430
Giger, David J $55,165
Golder, Christy K $43,531
Grapperhaus, Carla J $74,408
Grigg, Brenda J $49,451
Gruender, Sheila A $68,100
Hall, Jody L $44,972
Harrison, Jo Ellen J $76,614
Hartlieb, Chris T $56,268
Hawkins, Joel A $71,825
Heinzmann, Melissa D $38,385
Heyen, Barbara $78,233
Hickey, Anne M $69,917
Hirsch, Ragina M $72,477
Holcmann, Amanda K $40,169
Holt, Ronald D $63,256
Holt-Mollet, Jacqueline $73,885
Hooker, Susan R $72,218
Hoppes, Taryn L $41,773
Horrell, Nancy J $74,888
Houchins, Caleb R $45,713
Hubbard, Dawn R $42,477
Huffman, Deawndra M $33,540
Hughes, Vincent L $83,039
Huhn, Michelle T $34,255
Humes, Jeffrey D $79,801
Hummel, Ashley S $29,010
Hyre, Chastity L $46,778
Jackson, Mary S $44,955
Johnson, Richard K $69,806
Jones, Cordean E $44,270
Jones, Dawn C $45,600
Jones, Larry K $87,685
Kassly, Susan M $37,474
Kay, Barbara L $74,573
Keeney, Kimberly A $40,233
Keeven, Deborah A $44,008
Kellerstrass, Katherine $57,331
Kimmle, Valerie K $18,704
Klein, Peter $39,292
Klostermann, Jill K $35,846
Knackstedt, Jeremiah J $37,775
Koch, Audrey M $67,076
Korte, Brenda R $53,380
Korte, Julie A $88,238
Korte, Renae J $52,773
Kuberski, Jae Lynn $44,261
Laack, Megan R $34,879
Laird, Sheila A $45,269
Lanxon, Steven W $94,262
Limmer, Beth E $49,875
Lowder, Khourtney L $34,710
Lurkins, Terri L $43,124
MacMillan, Dawn L $67,528
Manhart, Tammy S $30,976
Manker, Amy E $9,904
Martin, Rachel D $19,463
Martz, Susan S $58,876
Massey, Deborah C $62,020
Mertes, Brenda C $45,547
Mesle, Kim D $62,388
Meyer, Suzanne E $74,231
Mortland, Susan J $59,802
Moss, Terri L $34,186
Mueller, Keri A $48,011
Murphy, Jamie D $57,389
Murphy, Michelle L $42,841
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Edwardsville, IL

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#13
Jan 28, 2010
 
Highland wrote:
Faulkenberg, Pamela L $57,264
Favre, Dana L $40,844
Ficker, Michelle J $57,607
Fields, Rebecca M $44,041
Fischer, Bonnie K $29,467
Ford, Christine L $41,202
Fralinger, Deborah C $41,580
Franklin, Patricia L $68,129
Fredericksen, Heidi S $50,361
Fredericksen, Matthew L $68,398
Gaffner, Sherri D $28,435
Gallatin, James W $76,444
Gauen, Karen E $78,198
Geiger, Dena R $44,919
Genczo, Kathryn A $66,925
Genteman, Nancy J $42,759
Geppert, Frederick M $45,430
Giger, David J $55,165
Golder, Christy K $43,531
Grapperhaus, Carla J $74,408
Grigg, Brenda J $49,451
Gruender, Sheila A $68,100
Hall, Jody L $44,972
Harrison, Jo Ellen J $76,614
Hartlieb, Chris T $56,268
Hawkins, Joel A $71,825
Heinzmann, Melissa D $38,385
Heyen, Barbara $78,233
Hickey, Anne M $69,917
Hirsch, Ragina M $72,477
Holcmann, Amanda K $40,169
Holt, Ronald D $63,256
Holt-Mollet, Jacqueline $73,885
Hooker, Susan R $72,218
Hoppes, Taryn L $41,773
Horrell, Nancy J $74,888
Houchins, Caleb R $45,713
Hubbard, Dawn R $42,477
Huffman, Deawndra M $33,540
Hughes, Vincent L $83,039
Huhn, Michelle T $34,255
Humes, Jeffrey D $79,801
Hummel, Ashley S $29,010
Hyre, Chastity L $46,778
Jackson, Mary S $44,955
Johnson, Richard K $69,806
Jones, Cordean E $44,270
Jones, Dawn C $45,600
Jones, Larry K $87,685
Kassly, Susan M $37,474
Kay, Barbara L $74,573
Keeney, Kimberly A $40,233
Keeven, Deborah A $44,008
Kellerstrass, Katherine $57,331
Kimmle, Valerie K $18,704
Klein, Peter $39,292
Klostermann, Jill K $35,846
Knackstedt, Jeremiah J $37,775
Koch, Audrey M $67,076
Korte, Brenda R $53,380
Korte, Julie A $88,238
Korte, Renae J $52,773
Kuberski, Jae Lynn $44,261
Laack, Megan R $34,879
Laird, Sheila A $45,269
Lanxon, Steven W $94,262
Limmer, Beth E $49,875
Lowder, Khourtney L $34,710
Lurkins, Terri L $43,124
MacMillan, Dawn L $67,528
Manhart, Tammy S $30,976
Manker, Amy E $9,904
Martin, Rachel D $19,463
Martz, Susan S $58,876
Massey, Deborah C $62,020
Mertes, Brenda C $45,547
Mesle, Kim D $62,388
Meyer, Suzanne E $74,231
Mortland, Susan J $59,802
Moss, Terri L $34,186
Mueller, Keri A $48,011
Murphy, Jamie D $57,389
Murphy, Michelle L $42,841
What on earth does this have to do with anything? This deficit is caused by our state's financial system...it has nothing to do with teachers. If you're suggesting paying these teachers even less, then expect not to have the best teachers. Highland is already one of the lowest paying districts around here.
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Naples, FL

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#14
Jan 28, 2010
 
rumors has it a body shop in highland or troy has had phone tapped for 2 yrs by fbi-feds-state police, got caught stealing--selling generators has anyone else heard this rumor?? customers beware of this shop, stay away
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Troy, IL

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#15
Jan 29, 2010
 
Highland pays its teachers less than any district in Madison Co. and consistently has the highest test scores. Now, there are lots of factors that go into test scores but make no mistake, Highland gets a bargain when paying teaching salaries. Its actually embarrassing how poorly we take care of our teachers.
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Highland, IL

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Jan 29, 2010
 
HighlandResident wrote:
Highland pays its teachers less than any district in Madison Co. and consistently has the highest test scores. Now, there are lots of factors that go into test scores but make no mistake, Highland gets a bargain when paying teaching salaries. Its actually embarrassing how poorly we take care of our teachers.
Agreed...now let's put the focus back where it needs to be...the government and their lack of accountability.
Highland Citizen

Albers, IL

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Jan 29, 2010
 
HighlandResident wrote:
Highland pays its teachers less than any district in Madison Co. and consistently has the highest test scores. Now, there are lots of factors that go into test scores but make no mistake, Highland gets a bargain when paying teaching salaries. Its actually embarrassing how poorly we take care of our teachers.
And really, the kids are the one who will really suffer if because of all of this. School programs will probably be cut. Fees will probably go up and teachers will be cut. When teachers are cut, class sizes will be larger meaning less attention for each student. Plus, who will the board cut first? The newest teachers who are usually the most energetic and easger to introduce new teaching methods. While the older teachers who probably make close to 100 K will stay around doing the same old. I guess that's how the teacher union system works.
Teacher4Life

Highland, IL

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Jan 29, 2010
 
Highland Citizen wrote:
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And really, the kids are the one who will really suffer if because of all of this. School programs will probably be cut. Fees will probably go up and teachers will be cut. When teachers are cut, class sizes will be larger meaning less attention for each student. Plus, who will the board cut first? The newest teachers who are usually the most energetic and easger to introduce new teaching methods. While the older teachers who probably make close to 100 K will stay around doing the same old. I guess that's how the teacher union system works.
As one of the 'older' teachers, I make no where near $100,000...only admin. in this district make close to that. And, to be honest, I think I have just as much energy as I've ever had. Yes, new teachers will probably be cut. Does that stink? Absolutely. No one likes any of this. However, cuts have to be made by seniority. It's only right and fair that the people who have been there the longest remain there due to their years of dedication to the district. Unfortunately the kids have to suffer, and that's the worst part.
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Saint Louis, MO

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Feb 5, 2010
 

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Poor underpaid teachers. Sell it somewhere else. You only work 9 months a year with two weeks off for Christmas and a week off in the Spring. You also get AT LEAST one day off a month. I know I am going to hear a lot of nonsense like "I work outside of school time." Who doesn't? BTW, a lot of districts PAY the teachers contribution to their retirement. In a time when people are losing their jobs, getting their salaries cut and losing their employee match to their 401K, I doubt anyone will support higher taxes so teachers have it easier.
Taxed Enough Already

Saint Paul, MN

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#20
Feb 5, 2010
 
Bigbrother wrote:
Poor underpaid teachers. Sell it somewhere else. You only work 9 months a year with two weeks off for Christmas and a week off in the Spring. You also get AT LEAST one day off a month. I know I am going to hear a lot of nonsense like "I work outside of school time." Who doesn't? BTW, a lot of districts PAY the teachers contribution to their retirement. In a time when people are losing their jobs, getting their salaries cut and losing their employee match to their 401K, I doubt anyone will support higher taxes so teachers have it easier.
Amen!
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Highland, IL

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Feb 5, 2010
 
Bigbrother wrote:
Poor underpaid teachers. Sell it somewhere else. You only work 9 months a year with two weeks off for Christmas and a week off in the Spring. You also get AT LEAST one day off a month. I know I am going to hear a lot of nonsense like "I work outside of school time." Who doesn't? BTW, a lot of districts PAY the teachers contribution to their retirement. In a time when people are losing their jobs, getting their salaries cut and losing their employee match to their 401K, I doubt anyone will support higher taxes so teachers have it easier.
No one said underpaid...and there's nothing to be sold. People outside of education often do not understand what it takes to be a good teacher, and that's because good ones make it look easy.
Can we just please stay with the issue at hand...the mismanagement of funds by our government???

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