Heroin replacing pain pills as drug of choice in some parts of Kentucky

Jan 26, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Lexington Herald-Leader

Heroin has rapidly replaced prescription pain pills as the drug of choice in much of Northern Kentucky and Louisville, raising fears that a heroin scourge will soon ravage the state.

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This is freaking scary !!!
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what is heroin and whats it do? why is it that i am just starting to hear about this drug again. Is it due to price or quanity? better yet i don't even understand doing pills? i was just wandering. i dont do these things and cant really figure out the attraction to drugs. i know you escare your reality, but when you come down, your problems are still there and doing drugs only adds another problem. just trying to get an understanding.
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Heroin is a schedule I opioid. Similar to Oxycodone/Hydrocodone. It has a quick half-life, which makes it very potent. Many people respond to the opiate classes differently, but the people who often become addicted either are in chronic pain and often build a tolerance. Or they may experience a euphoria, which causes the addiction.

Heroin is actually cheaper as compared to the Perc 30s. Thus, it is becoming the drug of choice.

The opioid addiction is a rampant and devastating process to individuals/families/society. I recently attended a lecture where Dr. Wesley Clark, the main doctor, at SAMHSA stated opioid addiction prevalence will surpass diabetes by 2020.

This is a very severe public health problem that will not be going away soon. There are starting to be more effective ways to treat the addictive process. There is hope, as long as people seek help and avoid bad influences.
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According to Ray Larson, data compiled by the Lexington Police and the County Coroner's office reveal more overdoses in Lexington last year (2012) due to heroin than other drugs. His news conference on this matter is available on YouTube. I take a very hard approach on the matter. I think it is important to protect our children as aggressively as possible. Make distribution to minors a serious felony regardless of quantity. If adults wish to use heroin allow the Darwin concept to weed them from society. It's unfortunate for someone to die while seeking temporary pleasure from a drug but, then again, reckless social behavior has consequences. One reason for the surge in heroin, according to Larson, is the fact that agressive policing and good prosecution of illegal prescription pill traffic has been extremely effective. I think this is a good thing. I had the good fortune to sit on the Grand Jury in the past. In was amazed at how much crime was associated with illegal drug use. People of the city..millions are spent on apprehending, prosecuting and incarcerating low lifes who use drugs. This should infuriate the public. Not because of the cost and effort but because of the drugs being distributed in our communities. Drugs are a blight on our society. They render otherwise productive individuals total wastes. Drug abuse leads to wholly inadequate parenting, increases violent crime, increases theft and has absolutely no benefit individually or to society. We need tougher drug laws. Get dealers off of the streets and force folks to be work for the common good. We should demand that all state workers take random drug tests. Part of the ineptitude in state government is because too many state workers are druggies. As you can tell...I have little tolerance for drug abuse.
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To add to my last post: several states have proposed legislation requiring a "passing" drug test in order to collect welfare. A federal judge place an injunction on this law in Florida in 2012. Another example of liberal judges and pressure from the ACLU to have a positive impact on the war on drugs. If an individual has to pass a drug test to get a job, and in some cases to KEEP that job, why can't we expect welfare recipients to pass a similar test? In some cases, WE, the taxpayers, are paying for scum to buy drugs. It is important to understand the details of these proposals. Children of the recipients would still receive funding through other parent or by a designee. There is also a mandatory drug treatment component to this. I encourage everyone to contact their senator and representative and show support for these proposals.
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Probably because they have made it so hard for people to get pain meds that are in pain.
So therefore they have switched to heroin, you don't have to be degraded at the Doctors office, and treated like a criminal.
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Kygreg wrote:
To add to my last post: several states have proposed legislation requiring a "passing" drug test in order to collect welfare. A federal judge place an injunction on this law in Florida in 2012. Another example of liberal judges and pressure from the ACLU to have a positive impact on the war on drugs. If an individual has to pass a drug test to get a job, and in some cases to KEEP that job, why can't we expect welfare recipients to pass a similar test? In some cases, WE, the taxpayers, are paying for scum to buy drugs. It is important to understand the details of these proposals. Children of the recipients would still receive funding through other parent or by a designee. There is also a mandatory drug treatment component to this. I encourage everyone to contact their senator and representative and show support for these proposals.
No, they suspended the program in Florida because it lost a ton of money. What started as a way to save the state money actually cost the state thousands.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2758871...

FYI: most drug users are middle-class, not the extreme-poor.
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go ahead druggies od no one cares about you you are a drain on people and the tax payers
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F big pharmacy, sincerely.

This BS should go down in the history books.
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Nutz wrote:
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No, they suspended the program in Florida because it lost a ton of money. What started as a way to save the state money actually cost the state thousands.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/20/2758871...
FYI: most drug users are middle-class, not the extreme-poor.
It did lose money; however, a federal judge questioned the constitutionality of the law and placed an injunction on it. I support a modified version in Kentucky.
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whats it look like? and is it smoked or pills or liquid? the answers i got before were very informative. and really has me worried about this. pills in lex. are bad enough, but now they have something cheaper. i have grandlids and i truely worry about how much our city has changed over the years. its hard to let kids be kids anymore, just because of the fear of the people out on our streets doing lord knows what. we do need to stop slapping these drug dealers and users on the wrist and sending them on their way. they are adults and by now should know the laws that govern our state. no more probation, or shock probation. just good old jail time.and i also feel the person talking about the drug testing for gov. help was correct. i have to test for my job, they can test for their gov. services.our town is becoming a very scarey place.
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They are still selling pills on Brown/Glass. I bet heroin too. The police will not shut this place down. Go there and get your drugs. They have been selling drugs and stealing shit for 3 years and the cops suck at their job. Fucking suck.
We will have to FIX IT OURSELVES.
Organizational meeting coming up.
This neighborhood was great until the Hurts moved in.
TOO LONG POLICE< TOO LONG>
Your Florida Narc did not work.
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Sadly enough, I'm NOT AT ALL suprised to learn that heroin is here. Honestly, I'm kinda shocked that this hasn't happened sooner. On the streets, it's MUCH cheaper than pills would cost. What's even scarier is that the problem is going to get MUCH WORSE!!!

Unfortunately, I knew it would eventually come to this. Something to think about is the fact that it hadn't been seen much (if at all) around here until legitimate chronic pain sufferers has had to needlessly suffer for SO LONG without proper treatment. This is what results whenever doctors are either UNWILLING or UNABLE to prescribe sufficiant Pain Medications to those who truly need it!!! The handful of pain management centers we have grossly UNDER-TREAT their patients and the rest of the doctors face such scrutiny from law enforcement agencies that they're just plain too afraid to treat them for fear of losing their lisence!!!

I think ALOT of people are going to be AMAZED to find the type of people who have been reduced to seeking this drug. They're not going to be what you'd imagine.....like those shown on tv, the dirtiest and worst of the worst. For the most part, they'll be everyday folks who couldn't get help from their physicians for chronic pain. Of course, there will also be run of the mill drug addicts and unfortunately, experimenting young adults in the market; but for the most part, this will not be the case.
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DIE DRUGGIES DIE !!!!!!!!!!
KY NEEDS PAIN MANAGEMENT

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The above poster was right. If you dont live here you really cant begin to imagine how hard a time those with disease and chronic pain have it. Doctors here operate in fear and refuse to prescribe anything to people who really need it. That was the reason the majority of people were going to florida and other states when that was the talk of topix. It wasnt because we have so many drug addicts in the state. It was because people here cannot get ANYTHING for pain and those who get medication do not get enough or strong enough kinds to help them. If you go back and read how the sequence of events here has unfolded this is obvious.
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According to Ray Larson, data compiled by the Lexington Police and the County Coroner's office reveal more overdoses in Lexington last year w(2012) due to heroin than other drugs. His news conference on this matter is available on YouTube. I take a very hard approach on the matter. I think it is important to protect our children as aggressively as possible. Make distribution to minors a serious felony regardless of quantity. If adults wish to use heroin allow the Darwin concept to weed them from society. It's unfortunate for someone to die while seeking temporary pleasure from a drug but, then again, reckless social behavior has consequences. One reason for the surge in heroin, according to Larson, is the fact that agressive policing and good prosecution of illegal prescription pill traffic has been extremely effective. I think this is a good thing. I had the good fortune to sit on the Grand Jury in the past. In was amazed at how much crime was associated with illegal drug use. People of the city..millions are spent on apprehending, prosecuting and incarcerating low lifes who use drugs. This should infuriate the public. Not because of the cost and effort but because of the drugs being distributed in our communities. Drugs are a blight on our society. They render otherwise productive individuals total wastes. Drug abuse leads to wholly inadequate parenting, increases violent crime, increases theft and has absolutely no benefit individually or to society. We need tougher drug laws. Get dealers off of the streets and force folks to be work for the common good. We should demand that all state workers take random drug tests. Part of the ineptitude in state government is because too many state workers are druggies. As you can tell...I have little tolerance for drug abuse.
I just had replie to this ignorant comment. I could tell that u are young, a male, and have just started to get involved with the drug problem that our country has. Did u know that 60 to 70% of drug addicts were once husbands , wife's, cops, mothers,fathers,politicians, doctors, they were and some still are your average hard working american. And at some point they injured themselves in a car wreck a job accident,and have to take pain meds in order to cope. Some have to stay on them long term some just have no will power and end up getting black flagged by there doc, and end up buying on the street ,and results in useing heroin because it's cheaper. And you say the best way is to throw them in jail longer!! You don't put ur dog down because it won't stop eatig the cat shit out of the litter box. You work with it. That is theer to our drug issue in America , treatment for drug ushers , 90%of users not more law enforcement . Treatment centers. We spend 6 billion on the war on drugs, an only a 14% spends on treatment the rest is on law enforcement , comon it obviously isint working
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If our doctors would screen there patients better, reqire a MRI and diagnose the problem , rather than saying ok here yougo , u look in pain . And then limit the one that has a true problem to half of what he really needs , then that guys buys off the one that just conned the doctor. If thedocter gave the correct dose to the guy in pain then he would by buy pills, and the dealer can't sell. And if we worked on treatment then that would stop peoplr from useing and uf they dont use then who dose the dealer sell to . But the goverment knows this and would never want to treat addicts because of all the money that is involved in the war in drugs. Just think if we cut the drug use in half , what abiut all the jails, all the drug agency's , border agents , I couldgo on for pages. Tha fact is there are 100s of thoulsands of Americans that go to work everyday and relie on the drug war to pay there bills. If we stop the drugs it would shut the country down and bring her to her knees ,and who knows what could happen after that.it's commen since people all you have to think about it. So when law enforcement or the goverment says they are doing there best to stop war on drugs , there full of shit. If I made a living off shinning shoes, I'm not going to sell sandals at the checkout !!!
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Pepls, it sounds straight-forward, doesn't it? Here is the issue from a physician's standpoint. I do not work in the ER and do not prescribe pain medications, but know colleagues that do. They are being pushed by administrators, patients, and families to prescribe. The main issue is the push for "pain" to be the 5th vital sign. This opened Pandora's box.

Now there are Press-Gainey scores that physicians have to deal with (mainly in the ER and hospital-setting). You have to make the patient "happy"; otherwise, they can give you a bad score. You get enough bad scores, your job is gone. The administrators do not care medical issues are arising; they want the patient happy and coming back. What kind of ridiculous set-up is this?

Anyways, that is the problem in the nutshell. There are no great solutions to this problem. There is a fairly new medication out, called Suboxone, that can allow patients to get their lives back. If the patient is really wanting help, they can taper down. It is still an opioid, so the patients may have some difficulty, but it still allows them to live their lives. Their is also a new medication that may be coming to market that will allow people with a narcotic addiction to not have to take oral medications for 6 months. I am involved in a clinic in town that may be offering this soon.

Anyways, the people are affected are often decent people who need help. There are no easy solutions but it affects us all.
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It looks like the politicians and the police got they're wish meaning drugs are on the streets available to anyone..the point is drugs are never gonna go away and this a fact.the next question is why?in America drugs are a big business the police,prosecutors,lawyers,jai l guards/prison guards,jails/prisons/,drug rehabs,food service to institutions,etc...almost every crime is drug related which keep the wheels spinning for all these industries which in turn create jobs which bring in taxes.are you starting to understand why the so called war on drugs has been going on for so long with no positive results?after 40 yrs of war you would think they would have accomplished something I mean hell it's actually worse way worse than when they related war on drugs.the bottom line is they will not allow drugs to go away because they're lively hood depends on it.now I know my grammar isn't the best and a few will play that card to dispute this post but I'm curious who will actually try and argue the points I brought up..

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