Sheriff: Police fatally shoot man in Grayling

There are 45 comments on the LivingstonDaily story from Feb 4, 2012, titled Sheriff: Police fatally shoot man in Grayling. In it, LivingstonDaily reports that:

GRAYLING, Mich. - Authorities in northern Michigan say a man who pulled out a knife on police has been fatally shot.

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Mitchel

Chicago, IL

#1 Feb 5, 2012
Fuxked up
A mom

Canada

#2 Feb 6, 2012
How is such a tragity possible! Are police so unprepared for these common instances that they feel the need to draw and fire their weapons at the drop of a hat! Now a child is fatherless & family misses a son

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#3 Feb 6, 2012
A mom wrote:
! Now a child is fatherless & family misses a son
Lesson learned: Don't pull knives out on the cops.

I love a happy ending. The good guys won, and the bad guy lost. Next topic.
A mom

Canada

#4 Feb 6, 2012
Not saying force isn't warranted at times but it shouldn't be the FIRST response. Arent police supposed to be trained to negotiate in situations like this? & why did they have to kill him why not shoot him in the leg. Seems extreme

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#5 Feb 6, 2012
A mom wrote:
Not saying force isn't warranted at times but it shouldn't be the FIRST response. Arent police supposed to be trained to negotiate in situations like this? & why did they have to kill him why not shoot him in the leg. Seems extreme
This isn't TV. A gunshot wound to the leg isn't going to stop a determined individual with a knife, only a shot to the chest or head will do that.

You say force "shouldn't be the FIRST response"? Deadly force is to be met with deadly force. That's real life, and the way it should be. If you want to watch cops shooting criminals in the leg, go slip into your fantasy world and turn on HBO.
Seabass

Fenton, MI

#6 Feb 6, 2012
Anyone know what officer or who he shot?
A dad

Atlanta, MI

#7 Feb 6, 2012
The deputy saved the only life that was important at that time. His own!
Trust me mom, if someone came at you or your kids with a knife, you are not going to shoot to wound, you are going to shoot to kill.

Since: Aug 11

Hartland, MI

#8 Feb 8, 2012
A mom wrote:
Not saying force isn't warranted at times but it shouldn't be the FIRST response. Arent police supposed to be trained to negotiate in situations like this? & why did they have to kill him why not shoot him in the leg. Seems extreme
I wondered the same thing. Shooting and killing someone seems excessive for a knife. Not to mention the gun never should have been used when there was a two year old child right there. They should have backed off and gone about it differently. If the officer was justified in what he did then why is he on administrative leave?
A dad

Atlanta, MI

#9 Feb 8, 2012
Mena30 wrote:
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I wondered the same thing. Shooting and killing someone seems excessive for a knife. Not to mention the gun never should have been used when there was a two year old child right there. They should have backed off and gone about it differently. If the officer was justified in what he did then why is he on administrative leave?
Because when an officer is involved in a shooting they put them on leave until they are cleared or charged.

Who is to say that the subject wasn't going to kill or wound the officer and the child? The officer made a judgement call. He had a second to decide what to do and he did the right thing. He was protecting his partner. And it's the same call that I would have made and many others would have also. Unless you have faced some type of situation like this, please don't judge the officer. He did his job. And it is something that he will have to live with for the rest of his life.
Lil Momma

Williamston, MI

#10 Feb 9, 2012
I'm with you on this one "A Dad" everything you have said is true!! I wondered the samething about the use of force and questioned my husband who is an officer as well. Hell Look at what happened with Josh Powell. You just never know. Something else had to of been going on Seriously why would anyone pull a knife on officers in front of their own child.??

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#11 Feb 11, 2012
Mena30 wrote:
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I wondered the same thing. Shooting and killing someone seems excessive for a knife. Not to mention the gun never should have been used when there was a two year old child right there. They should have backed off and gone about it differently. If the officer was justified in what he did then why is he on administrative leave?
I'd like to respond to your post, but there's so much wrong with it, I wouldn't even know where to begin...
Lynn

Grayling, MI

#12 Feb 13, 2012
Having been through police academy and being in emergency services, not to mention a martial artist a few things I've read on the net as comments not just here:

Tasers: Are not a substitue for a gun and not meant for situations requiring deadly force.

Knives: Everyone thinks the person with the gun always win and this is not true. In academy they have a person stand 20 feet away and run at you we also did this in my martial arts class because my instructor is a cop downstate. The person with the knife won every time with the exception of two people one in each class smart enough to step to the side at the last second and let the assailant with the knife run right by.

Between knives and guns for those who'd had formal training knives are actually considered to be more deadly. So the deputy was absolutely in the right using his gun to defend himself, his partner, the DHS worker and potentially the two year old. Look at the guy down south who burned his kids alive. Cops aren't mind readers so when you display an intent to use deadly force they have the right to and should defend themselves.

Finally if you aren't willing to get up and put your life in harm's way for your community everyday you go to work you have no business judging someone who is and against all odds goes home unharmed by doing what was necessary to defend themselves. The verbal abuse of our police officers is shameful and completely unnescessary. Walk one day in their shoes because I bet unless you are an officer you can't.

The officer, his partner & other deputies along with the assailant's family are in my thoughts and prayers.
town hater

Cookeville, TN

#13 Feb 15, 2012
grayling cops are bunch of pu**y's who got pick on in school!piggy piggy
town lover

Gaylord, MI

#14 Feb 15, 2012
town hater wrote:
grayling cops are bunch of pu**y's who got pick on in school!piggy piggy
And yet another reason for birth control speaks out!
Lynn

Grayling, MI

#15 Feb 16, 2012
Couldn't agree more town lover.
anonymous

United States

#16 Feb 24, 2012
Everyone has something to say but from what I hear it was a butter knife that he had in his hand and those can't do much damage but what if that officer missed and hit the child would you still defend him think no one knows the truth but the one's who where there.
A dad

Gaylord, MI

#17 Feb 24, 2012
anonymous wrote:
Everyone has something to say but from what I hear it was a butter knife that he had in his hand and those can't do much damage but what if that officer missed and hit the child would you still defend him think no one knows the truth but the one's who where there.
And you think that a butter knife is not dangerous? I can kill you with a spoon. I'll say this just once, I know far more about this than you do. The child was nowhere near where the officer shot. Get the facts straight before you post.
anonymous

Chicago, IL

#18 Feb 24, 2012
A dad wrote:
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And you think that a butter knife is not dangerous? I can kill you with a spoon. I'll say this just once, I know far more about this than you do. The child was nowhere near where the officer shot. Get the facts straight before you post.
And how would you know more then me I know people that knows him and they know more then you so say what you want cause the only people that it effects more then anyone is the family so I think we all need to shut the f up cause it isn't none of r business and yes there is other ways to disarm someone then shooting them
A dad

Gaylord, MI

#19 Feb 24, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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And how would you know more then me I know people that knows him and they know more then you so say what you want cause the only people that it effects more then anyone is the family so I think we all need to shut the f up cause it isn't none of r business and yes there is other ways to disarm someone then shooting them
No kidding? Other ways to disarm someone? Really? Have you ever been attacked by someone with a weapon? Probably not. I have. And I shot the person. And I would and will do it again. Because in the end, all that matters is I went home to my family. Walk a mile in an officers shoes and then come back on here and spout some more of your crap answers. And your wrong about it only effecting the family of the deceased, because it effects everyone involved. And to quote someone from this forum earlier, yet another reason for birth control speaks out!
Lynn

Grayling, MI

#20 Feb 25, 2012
anonymous, you're right there's ways of disarming people. As a black belt in shotokan karate, red belt in Military style tae kwon do, and having trained in Judo & Jui-Jitsu as well here's some info for you. I've defended in class against fake knives in my shotokan class AAU Karate World Team members did so as well. In case you're wondering you have to be pretty damn good to get that far and very fast and these people weren't just on the team they came back with medals in fighting and kicked my rear all over the floor as an international level competitor and guess what? There is no keeping from getting cut by a knife in hand to hand you're main focus with training is picking where you get cut and hoping that works. You're also hoping you get ahold of that knife before you're opponent gets you somewhere vital and that's in a class where the person you're facing isn't trying to kill you!

There is no disarming someone with a knife without taking a huge risk! If you're discussing tasers that is complete and utter BS! Those probes can and do miss or misfire. This is why tasers aren't meant for lethal force situations. I sure in the hell hope as someone in EMS that the police on scene dealing with a violent person coming at me with a knife dont pull a taser and I have formal training in self defense, that should tell you something right there. And no it's not that I'm a chicken (putting it nicely).

Town hater, if cops are such chickens why do they run in when you would run out? Just curious what that would make you... Just saying.

A dad, you and your family have been in multiple people's thoughts and prayers including my own. I and many others would trust you any day to come save our rear's on a bad scene before and after this event. There's many people on my department that are behind you and hope that you're doing ok since we haven't heard yet if you are. Stop in for coffee when you're up to it and I'll try to keep the bandaid jokes to a minimum but I can't make any promises. Take care of yourself and your family.

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