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Girl, 3, dies after choking on carrot piece

There are 59 comments on the Newsday.com story from Mar 18, 2009, titled Girl, 3, dies after choking on carrot piece. In it, Newsday.com reports that:

A 3-year-old girl died after she choked while eating a carrot at a Hicksville day care school, Nassau police said Wednesday.

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give me a break

South Ozone Park, NY

#65 Mar 24, 2009
Ponderous wrote:
People, these are your children, take nothing for granted. If you are going to place your child somewhere, it is up to you to do your due diligence and don't just ask about credentials. Make sure you see them and research them. Also,
if you are going to work in an environment where you are responsible for the well being of others, you would think you would also make sure you are protected so if something happens, the establishment is able to uphold their responsibility. So on two fronts, it appears there was no real inquiry into the school.
This family is paying a terrible price for because they either took someone's word for the proper credentials, or they just assumed and never asked. It's a shame.
I would like to send my condolences to this family because it is a terrible and tragic loss. Your post assumes that a license prevents a problem but this institution could have met all licencing requirements (I don't know if it did or didn't) but that really isn't the point.

Someone made a very stupid mistake but leaving their carrots out where a child could reach them and choke. The staffing could have been totally adequate (or not) and you can turn your back on a child for a second and in that second a child dies.

A license on the wall would not have prevented this horrible accident. I feel sorry for the teacher as well, who must now be devastated from the outcome of her lapse of good judgement. Most teachers truely care about their students and I am sure this person is a mess right now, not that this excuses the mistake.

The take home message should be that everyone should be more careful about their day care center. Check out what the teacher to student ratio is (the license process does define what this must be based on age). See if you can stop in without notice and check on how things are being run, how do they handle infectious cleaning such as by the diaper area? These are the questions that should be asked. Do they screen workers with fingerprint checks to see if there are child molesters among the staff?

I wish you sister and her family peace as they try to put the pieces of their life back together. I hope that they can find confort in the fact that their daughters death has forced many other parents to re-assess where their children are being watched. It will not bring back their beautiful baby, but perhaps it will prevent another death.
Mary

Eastchester, NY

#66 Mar 24, 2009
Anne wrote:
First of all who in their right mind would send a 2 or 3 year old to daycare in the first place.If you have to work which most people do then don't have children unless you can be home with them. I'm a mother of two and my children went to Kindergarten that was the required age. My husband worked two jobs so I could be home with them and I'm glad I did. I think most of the time these parents want an out and they just send them to daycare. Spend time with your children, what you put into them is what you will get out of them.... God Bless that poor baby who died...
I guess you didn't consider getting a job so your kids could have time with their Dad...that was pretty selfish. Why couldn't you work opposite hours of him instead of making him get 2 jobs...he could have spent time with them. I think most of the time parents like yourself want an out from working because they are lazy, so they have kids for that reason.
loving mom of 3

Rome, GA

#68 Mar 24, 2009
erum wrote:
My daughter who is 3 years old have been attending the same day care and believe me this place is soo bad, the owner is only trying to make money. Eventhough there are few teacher their but none of them are qualified. not only that it is a family run bussiness so all the teacher and management are relatives without any certification or experience.I can't belive I sent my daughter their for almost 8 months but today was her last day at the school
#1 Carousel is a wonderful school. All 3 of my children went there. The children are all watched closely. Accidents happen. I think it is a tragic accident!! My younges still goes to Carousel and will continue to go. They are NOT family operated. The owners are the only "family"(by blood) at the school. A few teachers there? Every class room has a teacher and at least one aid, depending on the class size. I support EVERY person at Carousel 100% This accident could have happened to any of us, trained or not. We are all mothers. The teacher in the class room was my youngest daughters 1st teacher....She is amazing!!!! Carousel is open for business and will continue to teach as they should! I know this because I worked there. I am proud to say I worked there. The news doesn't tell the entire truth. just what they want you to hear. Just like Olivia's mom, she too works at Carousel, but the news didn't tell that to the public.
Ponderous

Oakdale, NY

#71 Mar 24, 2009
Mary wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for stating the obvious.
If it was so obvious, why would you ask such an intrusive, personal question on a public blog?
loving mom of 3

Rome, GA

#72 Mar 25, 2009
Ponderous wrote:
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If it was so obvious, why would you ask such an intrusive, personal question on a public blog?
you are all sick, demented and cruel people. you are obviously not a mother, and if you are, you really don't give a crap. Shame on you sending blame to her mother. If we all stayed home and kept our children in "bubbles" what a sad life they would have.
loving mom of 3

Rome, GA

#73 Mar 25, 2009
friend wrote:
Lisa was a great employee and a great mother. Make no mistake about any of that. I have personally seen her go to bat for not only her children but students and campers under her care, always making sure that everyone was safe and happy and that any childcare situation was handled lovingly and fairly. She did nothing wrong and had no reason to ever believe that Livi wasn't safe and this is such a tragedy that has left all of us reeling.
People like to sit outside these situations and make judgments about parenting or schools or any number of things. To speak only for myself, I will say that I enrolled my child at 3 because I wanted my child to receive socialization and education beyond what I could do at home, and I am a professional educator. School settings are important at that age. My child is now out of Carousel but is advanced, partially due to the preschool education. Lisa wanted the same advantages. Parents work there, yes, for a discounted rate, but also so that they can keep a better eye on their children. As anyone can see, family and friends are reading these comments. Please be respectful in what you write. It's hurtful to read inflammatory things by people who know nothing beyond what's in the papers, which is really not all there is to the story.
There seems to be a desire to put the blame on the mother, as though she were somehow to be condemned for what? Putting her daughter in day care? Many people do that, and not so many remain so closely involved as Lisa did to ensure that their child is safe. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough and it's heartbreaking. Everyone I know is just devastated by this. Saying stupid and sensational things that are cruel and shocking have no point here. Try to remember what we're talking about. A beautiful little girl lost her life and a family is grieving.
I think I know who this is and I agree w/ you 100%. Some of these people on here are just disgusting! Keep up the kind words, and again, lets focus on praying for the family.
loving mom of 3

Rome, GA

#74 Mar 25, 2009
Mary wrote:
<quoted text>I guess you didn't consider getting a job so your kids could have time with their Dad...that was pretty selfish. Why couldn't you work opposite hours of him instead of making him get 2 jobs...he could have spent time with them. I think most of the time parents like yourself want an out from working because they are lazy, so they have kids for that reason.
I agree w/ you 100%. I feel bad for her and her children.
Ponderous

Oakdale, NY

#75 Mar 25, 2009
loving mom of 3 wrote:
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you are all sick, demented and cruel people. you are obviously not a mother, and if you are, you really don't give a ****. Shame on you sending blame to her mother. If we all stayed home and kept our children in "bubbles" what a sad life they would have.
What is so sick and demented about believing that the last moments of this child's life is a private matter?
Liz

Yonkers, NY

#77 Mar 25, 2009
Anne wrote:
First of all who in their right mind would send a 2 or 3 year old to daycare in the first place.If you have to work which most people do then don't have children unless you can be home with them. I'm a mother of two and my children went to Kindergarten that was the required age. My husband worked two jobs so I could be home with them and I'm glad I did. I think most of the time these parents want an out and they just send them to daycare. Spend time with your children, what you put into them is what you will get out of them.... God Bless that poor baby who died...
Amen... Anne well said. You took the words right out of my mouth. STAY HOME WITH YOUR KIDS. They Are Your right? NO vacation, NO new car, NO going out to eat, NO expensive clothes. Enjoy YOUR children..
Laura

Salisbury, MD

#78 Mar 25, 2009
Jeannie Baden wrote:
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Thank You Laura. Yes there are several certificates on display for all to see. It never occurred to anyone, my sister in particular, that they were not properly licensed for children under 3. Before this terrible tragedy, I was going to send my own son to Carousel for summer camp. My sister had nothing but good to say about the school. As a matter of fact, other than relatives, my sister wouldn't even allow a non family member care for any of her children if she had something to do after hours or on a weekend. If she had any clue that they were not licensed for under 3 she would have taken immediate action and withdrew our precious Olivia right away.
I can certainly understand her not questioning the validity of the licence. This was a "real" school, there for a number of years, with "real" licenses to show. She had every reason to believe that the school was completely legitimate. It sounds to me like she did the best she could, and was working in the building to be close to her child. This doesn't sound like a neglectful mother at all to me.

The people I can never understand are the ones who pick up babysitters numbers off some bulletin board. Or drop their children off at a babysitters that they barely know, and have no idea who ELSE is coming into contact with these children during the time they are in that person's home.
Mary

United States

#79 Mar 25, 2009
Ponderous wrote:
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If it was so obvious, why would you ask such an intrusive, personal question on a public blog?
I asked the sister...of course I knew she had this information you idiot...or I wouldn't have asked. Mind your business, I wasn't talking to you anyway. It was up to her to reveal what she wanted and she answered my question. Everything except that has been made public.
Confused

Brooklyn, NY

#80 Mar 25, 2009
Laura wrote:
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I can certainly understand her not questioning the validity of the licence. This was a "real" school, there for a number of years, with "real" licenses to show. She had every reason to believe that the school was completely legitimate. It sounds to me like she did the best she could, and was working in the building to be close to her child. This doesn't sound like a neglectful mother at all to me.
The people I can never understand are the ones who pick up babysitters numbers off some bulletin board. Or drop their children off at a babysitters that they barely know, and have no idea who ELSE is coming into contact with these children during the time they are in that person's home.
I'm confused..In the statement made by edward Borges to the newsday reporters he said. "The school does not require a license as long as the toddlers do not attend more than 3 hours a day". Carousel had 9 toddlers attending full day and that was illegal. correct?
Eve

Bellmore, NY

#81 Mar 25, 2009
On LI wrote:
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I completely agree. I think one parent should remain at home and available to supervise their children until the children reach adulthood. What's the point of having kids if one of the parents doesn't want to, or can't, remain available to supervise them?
I think it's more like can't saty home than does'nt want to now days.
Eve

Bellmore, NY

#82 Mar 25, 2009
Mary wrote:
<quoted text>I guess you didn't consider getting a job so your kids could have time with their Dad...that was pretty selfish. Why couldn't you work opposite hours of him instead of making him get 2 jobs...he could have spent time with them. I think most of the time parents like yourself want an out from working because they are lazy, so they have kids for that reason.
I totaly agree with this statement,one of the best yet!
Mike Hock

United States

#83 Mar 25, 2009
CompassionateSoul wrote:
<quoted text>I am a cumslut for the diseased.
You are a waste of life.
Andrea

Saddle Brook, NJ

#84 Mar 25, 2009
Jewcifer wrote:
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She was brought there to socialize with children her own age? Well, that went well. Maybe your sister could have taught her to be an electrical engineer by showing her how to stick her finger in the outlet.
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True, but it takes a special one to fellate a carrot and drop [email protected]
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Well, you have to admit, if your sister hadn't shirked her responsibilites as a parent, her child might be alive today. Something to think about.
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So who did the kid learn to suck carrot from, anyway? Did you teach it?
You are a very sick individual. Pray that you never feel pain like this family is.
Mary

Eastchester, NY

#86 Mar 25, 2009
Jeannie Baden wrote:
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I was unable to locate this sick twisted person's post. Might you know the number? I have a few descriptive words for him/her. Thanks for any info you might have.
Don't even respond. People like this just want attention. They are deviants. Don't involve yourself with these people. You can't cure them. If they don't get attention for this sick behavior, maybe they will try to get attention from a therapist instead.
Des3978
#88 Apr 19, 2016
These day cares shouldn't even be in business. All of them require no training or educational requirements. My heart goes out to this family. You can't trust your children with these people.
Des3978
#89 Apr 19, 2016
Mary wrote:
<quoted text>I guess you didn't consider getting a job so your kids could have time with their Dad...that was pretty selfish. Why couldn't you work opposite hours of him instead of making him get 2 jobs...he could have spent time with them. I think most of the time parents like yourself want an out from working because they are lazy, so they have kids for that reason.
I agree with you Mary.

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