Dead Baby Found In Hialeah Abortion Clinic

This is a crazy story - if that baby was born alive - would it not have been worth $$. No one would have been the wiser if they had sold this 'live' baby. It sound odd that this mom says that she was already 5 mos. pregnant - how could anyone be pregnant that long and not bond with the child? It's sick and I am glad they shut this place down - this 'clinic' should never even attempt any abortion that late in pregnancy. It is murder, if this baby was born alive!

pbfa

blah, blah, blah.
According to the Police Department, the fetus was within the parameters for a legal abortion. There are questions about the story - for all we know, this was a setup by some whackjob PL nut. Before the hyper-emotional rush to judgement, here's an idea: Wait till the facts are in.

If the clinic was operating unsafely, it will be sanctioned. If the woman is lying about the length of her pregnancy or about what happened, she'll be found out.

"Sold the baby?" Now, that's crazy. A pre viability fetus would be sold for what, exactly?

MOM

pbfa wrote:

blah, blah, blah.
According to the Police Department, the fetus was within the parameters for a legal abortion. There are questions about the story - for all we know, this was a setup by some whackjob PL nut. Before the hyper-emotional rush to judgement, here's an idea: Wait till the facts are in.
If the clinic was operating unsafely, it will be sanctioned. If the woman is lying about the length of her pregnancy or about what happened, she'll be found out.
"Sold the baby?" Now, that's crazy. A pre viability fetus would be sold for what, exactly?

I personally, know of 2 babies born at 3 lbs.- you would not know that to see these young adults now. So 20 - 25 yrs ago these babies were capable of thriving and living normal lives. This mom says 22 weeks, and you say 'legal', I find that horrific! I am not against abortion but I certainly don't feel that it should be ok 1 min. after 16 weeks. The article says that this baby was born 'alive'- why would that not ascertain to 'infanticide'.
This baby would have been alot better off 'sold' than left to die.
Pre-viable, my ass!

pbfa

Again, s-l-o-w-l-y, the facts aren't in yet. Until we actually know what happened, until the autopsy results are in, hyper-ventilating may make you feel all dramatic & excited, but it makes no sense in the real world.

What purpose, exactly, would a 22 week fetus be 'sold' for? In FL, I believe the legal limit for abortion is 24 weeks.

BTW, this sentence bit of yours:

why would that not ascertain to 'infanticide'

makes no sense, at least in English. That's no surprise - generally, people who are so lame as to swear on an internet BB usually have a poor grasp of the language.

The clinic appears to have had problems before this incident. If there was wrongdoing on the part of the staff there, it will come to light, and is a criminal matter. If, as I suspect, this is some kind of PL setup, that will come to light as well. Waiting for the facts doesn't afford the same opportunity for hysterical reactions as you are enjoying, but is much more reasonable than huffin' & puffin' prior to knowing the details. I'll wait.

MOM

pbfa wrote:

Until we actually know what happened, until the autopsy results are in,
What purpose, exactly, would a 22 week fetus be 'sold' for? In FL, I believe the legal limit for abortion is 24 weeks.

why would that not ascertain to 'infanticide'
people who are so lame as to swear on an internet BB usually have a poor grasp of the language.
The clinic appears to have had problems before this incident. If there was wrongdoing on the part of the staff there, it will come to light, and is a criminal matter. If, as I suspect, this is some kind of PL setup, that will come to light as well. Waiting for the facts doesn't afford the same opportunity for hysterical reactions as you are enjoying, but is much more reasonable than huffin' & puffin' prior to knowing the details. I'll wait.

You're right, do you work for 'them'? Sentence structure has nothing to do with the 'value' of someone's opinion - your not so smart if you could not comprehend what was meant by "ascertain infanticide". Having an abortion, for no physiological/medical reason at 22 weeks is pathetic, and wrong - who in the heck came up with the criteria? If there was a medical reason, it should have been performed in a hospital - not some 'John Doe's Abortion Clinic'.
Look this one up and you can see why this 'baby' could have been alive and did have a chance at survival -'mommy dearest' did not have to 'suffer' much longer and this baby could have made a 'family' very happy.

http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/pregnancy_ca...

'Sold' is a sarcastic way of saying another family could have adopted that baby - again, better than left to die after a 'live birth'.
Obviously, you're 'pro-abortion' without conscience and I hope that someday you will acquire one (conscience, that is). I'd hate for you to 'not understand' what was just meant to be said. I am 'pro-choice with reasonable grounds and conditions'- I am in favor of life and nurturing. I am a mother. Causing, by neglect, the death of 'this baby - born alive' is criminal!

pbfa

do you work for 'them'?
they had sold this 'live' baby
why would that not ascertain to 'infanticide'

I understand now. Rant on. Enjoy your little froth. I'll wait for the facts.

BTW, your problem is both grammar & vocabulary, not sentence structure.

LadyLawDawg

Since: Jun 06

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MOM wrote:

<quoted text>I personally, know of 2 babies born at 3 lbs.- you would not know that to see these young adults now. So 20 - 25 yrs ago these babies were capable of thriving and living normal lives. This mom says 22 weeks, and you say 'legal', I find that horrific! I am not against abortion but I certainly don't feel that it should be ok 1 min. after 16 weeks. The article says that this baby was born 'alive'- why would that not ascertain to 'infanticide'.
This baby would have been alot better off 'sold' than left to die.
Pre-viable, my ass!

My little sister was 2lbs. at birth; today is a healthy 33 yr. old woman. I agree .. pre-viable my a$$!

LadyLawDawg

Since: Jun 06

5,715

Delmont, SD

ISP: Gregory, SD

pbfa wrote:

do you work for 'them'?
they had sold this 'live' baby
why would that not ascertain to 'infanticide'
I understand now. Rant on. Enjoy your little froth. I'll wait for the facts.
BTW, your problem is both grammar & vocabulary, not sentence structure.

Abundantly clear what 'your' problem is.

MOM

pbfa wrote:

do you work for 'them'?
they had sold this 'live' baby
why would that not ascertain 'infanticide'
I understand now. Rant on. Enjoy your little froth. I'll wait for the facts.
BTW, your problem is both grammar & vocabulary, not sentence structure.

Just stay stuck on it! Are you still employed by 'them'(this clinic)? I see you looked up 'ascertain'(to find out) and 'infanticide'(the killing of an infant; a person who kills an infant). GET IT!?!
Yes, the facts, no compassion, JUST FACTS? Are you their defense lawyer too?!! Hope so, hope there is a jury, your demeanor would wrap this up as 'cold-hearted, premeditated murder' in a 'snap'!

LadyLawDawg

Since: Jun 06

5,715

Delmont, SD

ISP: Gregory, SD

MOM wrote:

<quoted text>Just stay stuck on it! Are you still employed by 'them'(this clinic)? I see you looked up 'ascertain'(to find out) and 'infanticide'(the killing of an infant; a person who kills an infant). GET IT!?!
Yes, the facts, no compassion, JUST FACTS? Are you their defense lawyer too?!! Hope so, hope there is a jury, your demeanor would wrap this up as 'cold-hearted, premeditated murder' in a 'snap'!

My thoughts exactly, MOM.^5 It is so frightening to see this kind of attitude - to deny absolutely any compassion for this poor girl and her baby is as far as I'm concerned "chilling".

pbfa

What a cretin it is. I didn't have to look up ascertain, since I am literate and know what it means (unlike yourself). Your usage of quotes is creative, to say the least. I don't work for this clinic or any other clinic, for that matter.

The details of this case - the facts - are still murky. I simply prefer to wait until the facts are in before I get upset. It appears this woman chose to abort, and I don't know yet (nor do you) what condition the fetus was in, or what caused its death, or even if it was born alive. At 22 weeks, she was within the legal limitations in FL to abort.

If, as it appears now, this clinic mishandled the legal abortion, then the state will undoubtedly sanction the clinic, which is a very appropriate response, obviously. If the problem is the woman who chose to abort, then that will be addressed, as well. Until the autopsy results are released and the investigation is complete, the facts won't be known. Rather than indulge in uninformed hysteria at this point, with only scattered news items to go on, I prefer to wait for the facts to come out. YMMV, so enjoy yourselves.

DAD

Read about violations concerning other clinics of Frantz Bazile-abortionist, Siomara Senises-administrator, and Belkis Gonzalez, part owner-medical manager,

From the Miami Herald, 7/30/06:

One clinic in Miramar has a history of violations. Located at 6161 Miramar Pkwy., it was closed last year after three employees were charged with practicing medicine without a license.

Among them: Robelto A. Osborne, who was convicted last year of four counts of performing medicine without a license, a third-degree felony in Florida. The Florida Department of Health found he failed to treat a woman after giving her an abortion in 2000.

He gave her a shot to help the bleeding and pain she reported after the procedure, but he later did not return her calls. She ended up going to the emergency room, where doctors performed a hysterectomy, Health department officials reported.

Another employee, Adieren Rojas, who was hired as a cleaning lady at the Miramar clinic, was promoted to medical assistant. She later pleaded guilty to nursing without a license
St. Petersburg Times article dated December 25, 2004:

DAD

Records also say Osborne left fetus parts inside his patients, which can cause infection, hemorrhaging and even death.

Claiming that the center did not make sure that only doctors licensed to perform abortions did so, the Agency for Health Care Administration filed an administrative complaint to revoke the license of the center, The Associated Press reported.

Siomara Senises, was the administrator for the aforementioned clinic in Miramar. Frantz Bazile still performs abortions at several of their clinics, including Miramar, and Belkis Gonzalez helps manage the Miramar clinic and the Hialeah clinics, including the recently closed facility where the 5-1/2 month old baby was found dead and hidden from police.

A GYN of HIALEAH Inc., 3671 West 16th Avenue, Hialeah-abortion clinic closed? Siomara Senises-clinic administrator, Belkis Gonzalez-president-owner, & abortionist Frantz Bazile are currently performing abortions at their second Hialeah clinic, A GYN DIAGNOSTIC CENTER, INC. Hialeah, 267 E. 49TH STREET, which Mapquest indicates is 7 minutes driving time and 3.15 miles distance from each other.

DAD

Frantz Bazile, Abortionist at A GYN. OF HIALEAH, INC. where 51/2 month baby was found dead.

Florida Physician's License #ME49347 Original Issue Date 10/30/1986
Below is the Disciplinary Order on Bazile from Illinois which he never revealed to Florida as required by law:

Description: Gross negligence and unprofessional conduct. Discipline: PROBATION Start Date 08/12/1991 End Date 08/12/1994

State of Illiinois-Dept of Professional Regulation-Complaintant
VERSUS

Frantz Bazile, M.D. State of Illinois License NO. 036-058418,

1. Frantz is presently the holder of a Certificate of Registration as a Physician and Surgeon in the State of Illinois, License No. 036-058418, is issued by the Department of Professional Regulation of the State of Illinois. Said license is presently in active status and was in active status at all times relevant to this complaint.
2. On September 26, 1987, Patient A, seventeen (17) years of age, was in the late second trimester of a pregnancy.
3. On September 26, 1987, Respondent attempted to perform an abortion procedure on Patient A at the Paulina Surgi-Center, Inc. located at 7616 North Paulina Avenue, Chicago, Illinois.
4. Respondent, in attempting to perform the abortion procedure, removed spongy material from Patient A.
5. Following the removal of spongy material by the Respondent, Patient A began to bleed profusely from the uterine and/or vaginal area.
6. Subsequent to the aforementioned bleeding, Respondent administered Ergotrate and placed a vaginal vein suture.
7. On September 26, 1987, subsequent to the attempted abortion procedure performed on patient A by Respondent, Patient A was transferred by ambulance from the Paulina Surgi-Center, Inc., to St. Francis Hospital in Evanston, Illinois.
8. On September 26, 1987, Patient A underwent an emergency Cesarean Section and a live infant was delivered at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston, Illinois.
9. On September 26, 1987, the aforementioned infant died.

DAD

State of Illiinois-Dept of Professional Regulation-Complaintant

VERSUS
Frantz Bazile, M.D. State of Illinois License NO. 036058418,

9. On September 26, 1987, the aforementioned infant died.

10. Before, during and after the attempted abortion procedure, various acts and ommissions occured, including, but not limited to the folllowing;

a. Respondent failed to accurately assess Patient A's gestational age and physical condition prior to attempting to perform an abortion.

b. Respondent failed to perform an ultrasound on Patient A;

c. Respondent failed to recognize that the spongy material which he removed from Patient A during the attempted abortion procedure was mature placental tissue;

d. Respondent performed the attempted abortion procedure in such a manner as to cause a laceration of the vagina;

e. Respondent performed the attempted abortion procedure in such a manner as to cause a laceration of the cervix;

f. Respondent performed the attempted abortion in such a manner as to cause Patient A to bleed profusely; and;

g. Respondent failed to appropriately assess Patient A when Patient A started bleeding.

11. As a direct and proximate result of one or more of the above stated acts and/or omissions of the Respondent, Patient A was injured in that she sustained a loss of blood, requiring blood transfusions; sustained a vaginal laceration; sustained a cervical laceration; was required to undergo an emergency Cesarean Section; and suffered physical pain and emotional distress.

12. The acts and/or omissions of the Respondent, as set forth above, are evidence of recklessness or carelessness toward or a disregard for the safety or well-being of Patient A which resulted in injury to Patient A.

13. Respondent's conduct, as set forth above, constitutes gross negligence, in violation of the medical Practice Act of 1987, Illinois Revised Statutes (1987), Chapter 111, paragraph 4400-22(A)(4).

14. The foregoing acts and/or omissions are grounds for revocation or suspension of a Certificate of Registration pursuant to Illinois Revised Statutes,(1987), Chapter 111, paragraph(s) 4400-22 (A)(4)

WHEREFORE, based on the foregoing allegations, the DEPARTMENT OF PROFESSIONAL REGULATION of the State of Illinois, by Richard P Ryan, its Chief of Medical Prosecutions, prays that the Physician and Surgeon of Frantz Bazile be suspended, revoked, or otherwise disciplined.

DAD

Senises was never charged and is still the administrator for three abortion clinics in Florida, these two in Hialeah & another in North Miami, named , A Woman's Care.

If clinic administrator, Siomara Senises was licensed as a Real Estate Broker and she hired an unlicensed abortionist, a cleaning lady, and a University of Miami student to sell Real Estate without a license, would the State of Florida allow Senises to keep her Real Estate brokers license to conduct future sales, and run other Real Estate offices?

The former attorney-unlicensed abortionist-Robelto Osborne was convicted of 4 felony counts of practicing medicine without a license in October of 2005.

Republican, "pro-lifer", Charlie Crist is the Attorney General of Florida. He is in the lead and vying for Jeb Bush's position as Governor. The medical examiner, of Miami-Dade county, who performs autopsies is Dr Bruce Hyma, father of 3 kids.

Ralph Nader's, Public Citizen's Health Research Group, a Washington-based consumer watchdog organization, states that the Florida board of Medicine, made up of 12 doctors and three consumers, ranks 32nd nationally in terms of taking serious disciplinary actions.

John O. Aqunobi M.D. is the Secretary of Florida's Department of Health.

Please pass this news on to others as the Miami Herald is now consumed by the news of Castro instead.

DAD