Officials Seek Partnerships To Revita...

Officials Seek Partnerships To Revitalize City

There are 11 comments on the Ogdensburg Courier-Observer/Journal story from Jan 9, 2011, titled Officials Seek Partnerships To Revitalize City. In it, Ogdensburg Courier-Observer/Journal reports that:

The city of Ogdensburg's plan to discuss with about 30 St. Lawrence County and city-based civic and not-for-profit organizations on how to revitalize the city is under way with two meetings held already.

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Sick of Hypocrites

United States

#1 Jan 9, 2011
I'm very happy to see that this is taking place. What else I would like to see is an open hall meeting discussing issues with the public. Although it's clear from reading these posts that we're all pretty much in agreement on many of the key issues.
Input

Oneida, NY

#2 Jan 10, 2011
It's funny that Sciorra says "we need input." When the city gov't sends out its questionnaires why is it that the mailings are of a selective nature? why isn't thefre a massive effort on the part of the city to ensure full participation by residents?

Why isn't the joint meeting publicized in the newspapers, on the radio, and on tv so the message of "needed input" gets out?

Does this represent another manipulation of the old joke about shared decision making? The administrator makes the decision and shares it with the rest of us.
Hollidays

Oneida, NY

#3 Jan 11, 2011
Has anyone ever offered a dissenting opinion the the matter of the 2-meal deal during the hollidays where 600 people are fed? Here are some interesting observations on the wholesomeness and goodness of Ogdensburg:

1. The organizations that tout feeding 600 people do not qualify exactly who eats this food. What isn't being told is, that the 2-meal deal does not feed poor or disadvantaged people. The poor would not be caught dead eating at the KofC or Amvets because the people volunteering would snipe and moralize about the odors and smells, tattered clothing and foot gear, the dissheveled appearance, and oh yes, the bad teeth of the poor. People would make fun of them and they know it. So, why put up with it?

2. ogdensburg always touts the 2-meal deal as a community event, with the good people coming together to assist the poor and down-trodden--really it's condescending at best. More importantly, I must offer that Ogdensburg is a place where people live in common, but not in community. Look around some time, open your eyes to the other Ogdensburg, and the failure at every turn by elected officials here to solve societal problems plaguing our fair city--especially the level of poverty--it's always the states fault or the federal govt fault, right?
BigDaddyCitizenK ane

Florianópolis, Brazil

#4 Jan 11, 2011
What's actually really amusing is that they are talking about how to "revitalize" the community. Nowhere in that article is there a single problem addressed. How do you know what to fix if you won't admit to a problem? Revitalize to me means refacing buildings, building a few more pretty ones, and tidying up around town to make it look like everything is peachy-keen. Now you have some pretty buildings that aren't doing squat.

What's really amusing is who they are inviting to these talks. The ASPA? Claxton-Hepburn? Oddfellows? How's that going to solve a problem? They want to know about problems, send some people out on the streets. Yes, there will be complaining about this and that, but once you start collecting responses and actually looking at them, you'll get to the root causes of all the problems. Each organization is going to go in with their own agenda, which I can see from the list will not serve the purposes of the greater good.

I think they should just do away with those meetings and the City Manager should just hold open office hours. Better yet, why not band with ALL the major town in SLC because they are all hurting in the same way.

Or they could cut to the chase and read some of the Topix posts ... not only might they be stunned and entertained, but may also be enlightened :-)
Event coordinator

East Syracuse, NY

#5 Jan 11, 2011
I think city should bring in some famous bands
GrimReaper

Gilboa, NY

#6 Jan 11, 2011
Event coordinator wrote:
I think city should bring in some famous bands
Stupid idea
Sick of Hypocrites

Clinton, NY

#7 Jan 11, 2011
@BigDaddyCitizenKane:I think it's important to talk to these organizations because these organizations donate money and develop programs that help the community. Claxton Hepburn and United Helpers are 2 of the biggest employers in this area. Pepsi donates quite a bit of money to the community. If the city wants $ or projects developed that are out of their budget these groups would be more likely to have the means to help than John Doe in the community. The Public Library could do more to have information and resources available for job seekers. Its sad that the closest job center is in Canton and many people w/o jobs lack transportation.
Also the non profit groups obviously have civic minded individuals in them who are more likely to donate time, energy and money to helping out the community than John Doe. As for the businesses perhaps there are things that the city could be doing to encourage the growth and expansion (i.e. hiring) of these groups with such things as zoning laws, taxes, etc.
However, I do agree that specific issues and goals need to be addressed. I'd like to see a "4 year plan" like most corporations have. Like year 1 clean up Ford Street, explore ways to strengthen police force, years 1-4 increase employment by 2%, etc. Of course if the politicians don't meet these ambitious goals they just lost their re-election...
Out of curiosity, are city council meetings open to the public? If so why doesn't someone organize a group to go to them and express the concerns of the community. I'd like to see a Task Force with govt., businesses, charity organizations & individuals who are focused on specific projects that report back to the city council/mayor/whomever.
And I agree I hope the city government is reading this website like the OPD are ;)
Sick of Hypocrites

Clinton, NY

#8 Jan 11, 2011
@Input: I have never received a questionaire which is sad because I obviously have a lot to say :P But I will say in the city's defense that mailing questionaires are very expensive! They may target populations that they think they will have a higher response rate from, albeit these may be populations that you and I feel are of a particular demographic that is not representative of the entire city.

This article was in the newspaper. I didn't hear anything on the radio, but the people who work at the radio get to chose what news they share with the rest of us. Unless of course the city pays to advertise these meetings which seems like a waste of money. Same with the t.v. Perhaps it was on the local news? I don't know because I don't have cable...
Sick of Hypocrites

Clinton, NY

#9 Jan 11, 2011
Oh my last 2 cents:
While it's not completely the federal and state government faults the local government has to face the following realities:

The U.S. is now a serviced based economy, not a production based economy. This means that areas of the country who relied upon production/factory jobs keeping losing these jobs (i.e. HERE). Unless they adapted and have replaced those jobs with service based jobs and supported the higher education that comes with it, there are no more jobs.

NYS as a whole has some of the HIGHEST taxes (sales tax, property tax, corporate taxes, income tax, you name it) in the country, corporations do not like high taxes so the state as a whole faces the problem of brining in and keeping businesses. The entire state is losing people, hence why we've been losing Congressional seats after every Census in my lifetime...

This means that city officials need to realize these realities, adapt and work with them. What markets are growing in the U.S. and are suitable for this area? Healthcare and anything related to the elderly, so let's expand and build up our hospitals and long term care facilities. Let's support programs that train people to enter these fields. BOCES has great adult education programs and I hear of almost nobody doing these programs. They do cost quite a bit and let's face it if you're out of work you can't afford the out of pocket expense. So why don't local organizations get some scholarships together to award to career minded individuals? Or the city govt. subsidize these programs for low income, high qualified individuals?
Sick of Hypocrites

Clinton, NY

#10 Jan 11, 2011
Sick of Hypocrites

Clinton, NY

#11 Jan 11, 2011
Something I'd also love to see is a community college/trade school open in one of the old schools (Mater Dei). SUNY Canton is above capacity (so demand is high) and colleges bring revenue into an area. Although there are cons to becoming a "college" town. I know Ivy Ridge was a good thing in that it created jobs, but it didn't fit or serve our community. Those kids weren't from here, weren't going to spend their money at our local businesses, weren't going to settle here, weren't going to get jobs here. The only other thing that we have that brings people into the area are prisoners and sex offenders...I'd rather take the college kids...

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