Claim filed in fatal police shooting

Claim filed in fatal police shooting

There are 26 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Jul 24, 2007, titled Claim filed in fatal police shooting. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The mothers of two home burglary suspects slain by Torrance police while hiding in a backyard shed filed a claim for damages Monday, putting the city on notice that it faces a wrongful-death civil lawsuit.

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Lucy Rios

San Bernardino, CA

#1 Jul 26, 2007
I am so glad that the parents of the slain victims are filing a claim. I just went to the wake of Shaun McCoy and it was so painful to see him in that state. This should of never happened. There were other alternitives to bringing these boys in. Why just a couple of days after the incident there was a confrontation with a man with a shotgun with the L A Police and they brought him in, with s wound to his leg but not dead. He had a shotgun and he was not killed like the other boys were, who had garden tools!! Give me a break!!! Bottom line, they were killed! and I hope justice will prevail. I understand that right is right and wrong is wrong but those two boys did not have to die the way they did. I believe that The Lord will bring out the truth. Thanks for hearing me out Lucy Rios
Bubbles

Aliso Viejo, CA

#2 Jul 26, 2007
Typical black hyena-pack mentality, they are suspect from the word get-go. I've been a victim many times over by black crime. I'm white. I don't trust them, I've learned many years ago. They are more racist than we are. No, they are not all bad, just as there are horrible whites, mexicans, asians, etc.
Vanessa

San Bernardino, CA

#3 Jul 26, 2007
I personally knew Sean McCoy and dont agree with what they were suspected of doing, however I do not feel that taking neither one of there lives was nessesary. I dont see this as a racial act but I do see this as a wrongful death. There were several methods that the officers could have used to obtain these 2 men and killing them should'nt have been an option. Just the other day a man was shot in the leg for pointing a rifle at police officers and he was shot in the leg, not KILLED. I think this should be an eye opener for the Torrance Police Dept., 3 shootings in 12 days, a cause for concern as to who they have patroling the streets. Rumors of them being suspected gang members is not a way to justify there deaths. Torrance police officers that did this will be brought to justice, I have all the faith to know that this will be done. Thanks
Lala

United States

#4 Aug 4, 2007
You all know absolutely nothing about what cops do. Do you think they are trained to shoot people to wound? Do you think that they are trained to shoot someone in the leg as a "less than kill him" option? Give me a break! Shooting is deadly force. You shoot to kill. Period. If you shoot someone in the leg, its because it was a bad shot. Its not the movies here, people. There are no warning shots, or shooting guns out of hands, or shooting someone in the leg to get them to drop a gun. That man was lucky the cop didn't have good aim that day. Also, what would you do if someone came at you with a sharp tool of any kind? Block it with some insane karate move you learned from the movies? Or how 'bout dive and do a tuck and roll, bounce up, and fire that one outstanding shot that hits the tool and knocks it out of the guy's hand miraculously not hurting him in any way.... If it comes out that these two burglary suspects did not follow lawful orders from uniformed Police Officers, who had their weapons drawn, but instead chose to come at them with ANYTHING that could be a weapon- then shame on them. Why not listen to the commands and drop what they had, and get down? Anyone who doesn't understand this concept does not have a brain.
truth

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#5 Aug 4, 2007
Vanessa wrote:
I personally knew Sean McCoy and dont agree with what they were suspected of doing, however I do not feel that taking neither one of there lives was nessesary. I dont see this as a racial act but I do see this as a wrongful death. There were several methods that the officers could have used to obtain these 2 men and killing them should'nt have been an option. Just the other day a man was shot in the leg for pointing a rifle at police officers and he was shot in the leg, not KILLED. I think this should be an eye opener for the Torrance Police Dept., 3 shootings in 12 days, a cause for concern as to who they have patroling the streets. Rumors of them being suspected gang members is not a way to justify there deaths. Torrance police officers that did this will be brought to justice, I have all the faith to know that this will be done. Thanks
Are you kidding? You don't think that they were committing burglaries. Were they playing hide and seek in a strangers backyard shed? Give me a break. Like another poster said, police are trained to shoot to eliminate threats, not to wound in the leg. They aim at center mass or head shots. Let me come at you with a sharp anything and see what I can do to you. They dictated the actions of the police, not the police. I'm so tired of people not taking responsibility for their actions and blaming others...Grow up...
truth

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#6 Aug 4, 2007
Lucy Rios wrote:
I am so glad that the parents of the slain victims are filing a claim. I just went to the wake of Shaun McCoy and it was so painful to see him in that state. This should of never happened. There were other alternitives to bringing these boys in. Why just a couple of days after the incident there was a confrontation with a man with a shotgun with the L A Police and they brought him in, with s wound to his leg but not dead. He had a shotgun and he was not killed like the other boys were, who had garden tools!! Give me a break!!! Bottom line, they were killed! and I hope justice will prevail. I understand that right is right and wrong is wrong but those two boys did not have to die the way they did. I believe that The Lord will bring out the truth. Thanks for hearing me out Lucy Rios
No give me a break. Your crook friends' parents should accept responsibility for what their son's did, commit a burglary and come at officers with sharp objects. What a cliche to sue a police department and try to improve your ghetto status with some free money. Looking at your buddy at his wake should be a wake up call (forgive the pun)to not commit crimes and not mess with the police, if not accept the consequence. Educate yourself and realize that police are not trained to shoot people in the leg and you cited in your example. In this case, you already got your justice. It is a shame the whole thing had to happen, but place the blame where it should be, on the dudes who made poor decisions.
Eric SHAUNS BROTHER

Burbank, CA

#7 Aug 15, 2007
Lala wrote:
You all know absolutely nothing about what cops do. Do you think they are trained to shoot people to wound? Do you think that they are trained to shoot someone in the leg as a "less than kill him" option? Give me a break! Shooting is deadly force. You shoot to kill. Period. If you shoot someone in the leg, its because it was a bad shot. Its not the movies here, people. There are no warning shots, or shooting guns out of hands, or shooting someone in the leg to get them to drop a gun. That man was lucky the cop didn't have good aim that day. Also, what would you do if someone came at you with a sharp tool of any kind? Block it with some insane karate move you learned from the movies? Or how 'bout dive and do a tuck and roll, bounce up, and fire that one outstanding shot that hits the tool and knocks it out of the guy's hand miraculously not hurting him in any way.... If it comes out that these two burglary suspects did not follow lawful orders from uniformed Police Officers, who had their weapons drawn, but instead chose to come at them with ANYTHING that could be a weapon- then shame on them. Why not listen to the commands and drop what they had, and get down? Anyone who doesn't understand this concept does not have a brain.
COME ON DUDE YOU SOUND STUPID THEY WHERE SCARED CROUCHED DOWN IN A SHED..IF YOU BELEIVE THE POLICE YOU ARE GOING TO HELL JUST LIKE THEM... PEOPLE GET CHACED DOWN ALL DAY EVERY DAY BY THE POLICE THE NEVER SHOOT.. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN SOME ONE DIE COPS...NO! DUMB ASS
Daniel

United States

#8 Aug 21, 2007
I was a child hood friend of Charlie's. I know what he did was wrong, but now they found out that the police executed both of them. I know Charlie wouldn't go at the police with any sharp objects. that was all made up by the police dept.

The facts are now out that they were on their hands and knees and executed.
Lala

United States

#9 Aug 30, 2007
Eric, I can't understand what you wrote: PEOPLE GET CHACED DOWN ALL DAY EVERY DAY BY THE POLICE THE NEVER SHOOT.. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN SOME ONE DIE COPS...NO! DUMB ASS What do you mean?
Also, don't call me a dumb ass when it is you who can't read and comprehend what I wrote. I stated FACTS for how Police are trained. I then stated IF IT COMES OUT...THAT THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW LAWFUL ORDERS...AND CAME AT THEM WITH ANYTHING THAT COULD BE A WEAPON...SHAME ON THEM. What does not make sense about this? Since you don't understand the English language, let me put it in simpler terms: What I said was IF this was the scenario, then the Police acted within the law. IF this is not the scenario, and something else happened, then obviously it will be found out and dealt with accordingly. Or are you one of those conspiracy theorists that thinks all Police Officers are racist liars?
DONT ASSUME

Olathe, KS

#10 Oct 4, 2007
It's EASY to assume and make judgement when ALL the facts are not present. All we (the general public) know is that there are two men that were murdered by Torrance police. The two men (which just happens to be BLACK) had NO KNIFE or GUN! The Torrance police are TRAINED OFFICERS of the law! This was assumed to be a non-violent crime! With that at mind, non-violent crimes are usually handled with little or no force! THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE EVEN DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE, INSTEAD IF THE SITUATION WAS DEALT WITH THE RIGHT WAY, WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING THE TWO MEN CHARGES AND SENTENCE! JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE POLICE WE SHOULD NOT THINK THAT EVERYTHING THEY DO OR SAY IS RIGHT!!!
la la

United States

#11 Oct 18, 2007
Dear "Don't Assume"

How can you start out by saying that its easy to assume and make judgments when all the facts are not present, and then in the next breath say that Torrance Police MURDERED two men, AND have the audacity to insinuate that he color of the men's skin is the reason why they were shot?!!! You know NOTHING about police training, so how can you comment on it at all? By your standards, if the men had a knife or a gun, then the Police acted accordingly. What you don't understand, is that many things can be used as weapons, whether or not they are classified as 'weapons'. I suppose if someone came at you with a garden claw, you wouldn't fear great bodily harm, because, after all, its a gardening tool, right?
I don't understand how anyone can look at this incident and say that the Police are racist murderers. Like I have said all along, if in fact this incident went down as the Police are reporting, then the Police who shot were totally and completely justified. If the incident played out differently, i.e. the two suspects didn't have anything in their hands or they followed commands to the tee, then OF COURSE the Police who shot did not act accordingly, and should be punished. All we have right now is the story as it has been reported, and nothing has changed about that story since this happened. Therefore, until the DA says these Cops acted inappropriately, which he would have said by now, then all we can do is believe the Police. Why is that so hard for you to do?
Bubbles

Aliso Viejo, CA

#12 Oct 19, 2007
Torrance is a beautiful and pristine city, and I applaud the TPD for upholding the integrity of this city. Those 2 scumbags has no business in Torrance, up go no good! Good riddance!
jamal king

Hawaiian Gardens, CA

#13 Oct 31, 2007
If a criminal comes to Torrance to hit a lick, and gets caught, he is likely to come home to mama looking like a piece of swiss cheese. What about all the victims of these two scumbags that we don't know about? Is the the first time these theiving killers committed a crime? We should dig em up and shoot them again!
REMAS OLD SKOOL ASSNS SGV

Atlanta, GA

#14 Nov 17, 2007
OSA REMAS-WATTS UP TOO ALL D2D-DIS
A Dose of Reality

Gilroy, CA

#15 Nov 18, 2007
I grew up in Torrance (North Side) and in my youth I had more than my share of run-ins with TPD. Something you learn early: do NOT play with Torrance cops. They are assholes who won't hesitate to hurt you. This is common knowledge on the street. And well they should be assholes: that's what keeps Torrance as clean and affluent as it always has been. Since the parties that some of you are grieving over seemingly were career criminals, they should have known better. And since one of them apparently came all the down from Ghettolanto to do the crime, obviously there was more than enough opportunity to rethink committing a crime in Torrance. Far as I'm concerned, the TPD did nothing more than skim some scum from the gene pool. Bravo for displaying tight grouping patterns; that range practice really paid off.
REMAS OLD SKOOL ASSNS SGV

Atlanta, GA

#16 Nov 18, 2007
REMAS-TAKE-MASTR-KRIE-TENSE-AR EST-DREW-
More careful to judge

Houston, TX

#17 Nov 23, 2007
Yes, it is okay and easy to call them scum bags, robbers, low lifers, of which they seem to be trully are. But on being shot with thier explanation is interesting.Continue your support until it is your turn or somebody you know in a different situation and on a different day them you will be faced with reality and then understand what subterfuge and lying is. Continue to glorify official perpertrated violence in the name of, I support our Police Department. If you have been the recipient of ochestrated blunt rudeness and lies followed by prosecutorial zeal to win at all cost, you will be more carefull on how you ascribe and glorify the police department.
Then again you may never find out from your sheltered and careful life. But if you have been stopped repeatedly along Crenshaw Blvd late at night by righteous Torrance officers you might be more careful in calling situations. I am not in the least saying the some police officers are not objective, what I am saying is that a department is driven by the mentality at the top and thier fellow offciers.
Picture this they burst into your house with guns drawn over deceptive calls and without question place you in handcuffs. Man, you will be more carefull on who you call rightoeus. It is a matter of time, it will be your turn or somebody you know.
la la

United States

#18 Dec 20, 2007
If you have been stopped repeatedly, there is a reason. And yes, a broken tail light or tinted windows is a legitimate reason. Boo hoo, you got placed in handcuffs. Holy crap! That's terrible! So its judgmental to take control of a situation and maintain safety and order until the facts are sorted out? That makes a cop righteous? That is "orchestrated blunt rudeness"? I think we have all lost sight of the original issue: did these men place themselves in a situation that left Officers only one course of action to defend themselves? The facts so far say YES. Whether you think Torrance cops are rude has no bearing here. You apparently had cop draw his/her weapon on you at some point in your life... what did you do? Charge him/her? Whip out a knife? Point your own gun at him/her? Grab the sharp gardening tool next to you? No. You did what any sane person without a death wish should and would do: you presented yourself in a manner consistent enough with what the cops were ordering you to do, and no one got hurt.

At least "A Dose of Reality" understands the dynamics of the duty a Police Department has to the residents and visitors of its city.
Support TPD

West Hollywood, CA

#19 Feb 7, 2008
Great job... What's great is that the word is spreading quickly and this will most definitely keep Torrance safer in the future. Unfortunetly, these thugs only understand and respect violence. If the justice system actually started punishing these criminals then Police Officers would not have to be this way. Most people know that this needs to be done to keep order.

Great job TPD!!!
Dont believe the HYPE

Kansas City, MO

#20 May 10, 2008
Everyone let's face it! Police are people too. Meaning, they are not the perfect and righteous people that we ALL would wish and expect them to be. Just because they are POLICE, they are ALWAYS right??? If yall believe that, then something must really be wrong with your thought process!!! Just research ALL the police killing in the US! If you do,you will find countless times where police was in the WRONG!

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