Minister murder probe begins anew

Full story: Lebanon Daily News

Bethany United Methodist Church stands at the corner of Hanover and Mifflin streets in Lebanon.

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Amazed

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Sep 14, 2010
 
Wow, this whole story is crazy ! As i sit here and read this goosebumps are filling every inch of my body. Back in '99 i was a cub scout for pack 437, our meetings were held at this church. When Jewel has passed away everyone had their own suspicions about how she died. It was said that she had fallen down the steps, AB was on a jog and came home to his wife dead. It never made sense to me how she ended up with facial and skull fractures from a simple fall.Yes, i was young at the time, but some things just give off bad vibes. I keep reading the article. It's just weird that 11 years later everything is coming out !
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Sep 14, 2010
 
There were newspaper articles about both wives' deaths when they occured. Why would he later tell others that they both had suffered heart attacks? Can't even keep his stories straight. Engaged to marry a third time? How long 'til she would've had an "accident"? I think we're just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg with this guy. Let's hope they uncover the truth so that Jewel and Betty can both finally rest in peace.
Christian

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Sep 14, 2010
 
How can we believe that this good Christian would kill? The very Word he preaches, he ignores. Thou shall not covert (sic) neighbor's wife -- guess you skipped that part in theology.
Just Me

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Sep 15, 2010
 
Innocent until proven guilty my friends...
unknown

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Sep 15, 2010
 
Just Me wrote:
Innocent until proven guilty my friends...
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!! please tell me you really believe he is innocent...
carl

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Sep 15, 2010
 
unknown wrote:
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!! please tell me you really believe he is innocent...
They probably dont believe in the innocence, but the statement is true
Finklesteen

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Sep 15, 2010
 
Just Me wrote:
Innocent until proven guilty my friends...
not in pa!!! if you cant see the bullshit your guilty to you supporter!!!!
Finklesteen

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Sep 15, 2010
 
carl wrote:
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They probably dont believe in the innocence, but the statement is true
yea, oj didnt do it either huh?
catpaw

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Sep 15, 2010
 
This story has all the makings for a Dateline NBC storyline....sex, religion, murder. Someone contact Ann Curry ASAP. Hey, Lebanon will get on the map one way or another...LOL
Heart Attacks my Eye

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Sep 15, 2010
 
... and telling new people in a new town that they died of "heart attacks" ???

Who in their right (and innocent) mind tells lies about cause of death of a spouse ???
Trust in the Lord

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Sep 16, 2010
 
Jesus saves.
W Fargo

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Sep 16, 2010
 
Trust in the Lord wrote:
Jesus saves.
Not in this economy he don't
Justice Lost

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Sep 16, 2010
 

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Innocent until proven guilty my friends...
My "friend" innocent until proven guilty is a legal term and while it supports the law - the law does not always convict the guilty.
Especially, not in Lebanon.
It remains that it is far better to allow a guilty man to walk free than to wrongfully imprison the innocent.

It also remains that society trusts police, investigators, coroners and prosecutors to guard the truly "innocent" and that includes victims, the community and the accused.

There is little doubt in anyone's mind when this man's first wife met her death at a such a young age by falling down a flight of stairs the police called, investigators present and county coroner were thorough in their research. Surely, they checked all the blocks and it was an "accident" Her autopsy report at the time will explain the facial fractures mentioned, the toxicology report will support any chemicals in her system, etc.
YES! Anyone can fall down a flight of stairs, but a woman her age deserved some extra attention. We all just know she got that attention from those trusted to serve and protect.

Certainly, it didn't take the death of two other people for this to warrant the attention of anyone in Lebanon?

It would be tragic if anyone simply "assumed" an accidental death was "innocent" and failed to actually look beyond the obvious, and that cost two more people their lives.

It would almost crush the theory of "innocent until proven guilty"

Then it would be more like - guilty until caught.

And NOT caught in Lebanon, PA

What are the odds?

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catpaw wrote:
This story has all the makings for a Dateline NBC storyline....sex, religion, murder. Someone contact Ann Curry ASAP. Hey, Lebanon will get on the map one way or another...LOL
Ain't no joke!!!

Cherry Point, NJ did that a few years ago with a rabbi killing just ONE wife. Dateline was just the starting point then.
Oh, Lebanon is tickling Dateline at a minimum & when it hits?
Grab a dish of popcorn and watch the skeletons run from the closets.

It's coming.
Weezle

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Sep 17, 2010
 
My father always said that if you want to get away with murder just do it in Lebanon County. Seriously. The Grand Jury findings in the case against AB Schirmer in the death of Betty Schirmer also include the pathologist's findings from Jewel Schirmer's autopsy in 1999 which state her death was a homicide, NOT an accident. Who decided not to pursue an investigation of AB? I hope they can sleep well at night knowing that poor innocent Betty was brutally bludgeoned to death in cold-blood. I'm sure AB thought, hey, I got away with it once...why not?
Dateline Here We Come

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Sep 17, 2010
 
Daddy KNOWS

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Weezle wrote:
My father always said that if you want to get away with murder just do it in Lebanon County. Seriously. The Grand Jury findings in the case against AB Schirmer in the death of Betty Schirmer also include the pathologist's findings from Jewel Schirmer's autopsy in 1999 which state her death was a homicide, NOT an accident. Who decided not to pursue an investigation of AB? I hope they can sleep well at night knowing that poor innocent Betty was brutally bludgeoned to death in cold-blood. I'm sure AB thought, hey, I got away with it once...why not?
Johnny Carson joked on The Tonight Show way back when "Lebanon, PA is the place to commit murder and get away with it"
Am I understanding your post? Jewel Schirmer's death was NOT listed as an accident? Are you suggesting her death was listed as a HOMICIDE? An UNSOLVED homicide?
ben dover

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Sep 24, 2010
 
oh well
upset

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Sep 29, 2010
 
Daddy KNOWS wrote:
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Johnny Carson joked on The Tonight Show way back when "Lebanon, PA is the place to commit murder and get away with it"
Am I understanding your post? Jewel Schirmer's death was NOT listed as an accident? Are you suggesting her death was listed as a HOMICIDE? An UNSOLVED homicide?
You got it right it kinda looks really bad for the preacher. What was going through his sick mind????? This is a horible situation!!
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Daddy KNOWS wrote:
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Johnny Carson joked on The Tonight Show way back when "Lebanon, PA is the place to commit murder and get away with it"
Am I understanding your post? Jewel Schirmer's death was NOT listed as an accident? Are you suggesting her death was listed as a HOMICIDE? An UNSOLVED homicide?
Not true

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