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[Vix]

truth hurts wrote:

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Didn't think you would get it. Let me guess, you became a paralegal to land a lawyer so you wouldn't have to work? And even though you've told us all 5 times that your husband makes enough money for you to stay home with your kids, I bet you still put them in daycare 2-3 days a week .
That's why you are so defensive about the subject.
Thanks for the banter, it's been fun. But I'm going to have lunch now and go to the pool with my family. My wife and I both work from home and our kids are NOT in daycare. That was the choice we made when we decided to have kids.

Not that credentials really matter, but since you have made such a tasteless inuindo, I have my MBA and have put my career on hold for my children. Credentials don't matter because in the end, we are all human beings! So why do you continue to badger me about being a stay-home-parent when that is what you are claiming everyone should do at any cost? You are a Mr. Mom and I can't believe that you haven't taken a look at your life and thought, "I am LUCKY to be able to stay home with my children!"

[truth hurts]

The Truth wrote:

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So where are your kids while you are online insulting people and touting your superiority?
If you're teaching your kids to be a judgmental A$$es like yourself I think they would have been better off with someone making $8 an hour.
Perhaps you can open your own "become a big jerk like me" daycare once your employer fires you for spending all your time online "enlightening" others with your wisdom.

For the record, Don't think I don't know it would be easier to go to work and leave my kids with their mom or a nanny. But then I wouldn't have been able to make breakfast for everyone, go to the park together, have lunch together, go for a quick swim, and still get my job done. And I will still volunteer 3 hours tonight with the local youth group,(kids will be with their mother, although sometimes they come help out) and still get back home in time to put the kids down for bed. Then I'll take care of some paperwork.

Friends say we're "lucky" to have that option. Luck has nothing to do with it, we chose to do this. We gave up good careers/salaries in order to create a business that would allow us to be with our family. It took planning, sacrifice, and hard work, but hey, the kids are worth it. Right?

So, I don't feel as sorry for the parent as I do the child, when I hear about abuse at a daycare, or tons of kids with ADD, or someone leaving a helpless child alone in a car. The child didn't have a choice...These parents make me sick.

[mom]

Yes, social class might have something to do with it, I agree. When poor parents are barely making their ends meet, and there is no childcare options they can afford, they scramble to find other options. In their desperate, stressed and clouded state of mind, they make poor, sometimes fatal choices. I am not offerring excuses, but I am offering partial explanation. If there was affordable care avalable, that waitress mother would not be dropping off her child at the library. Sad situations all around. Please hold your judgement and have some compassion.

[Vix]

truth hurts wrote:

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For the record, Don't think I don't know it would be easier to go to work and leave my kids with their mom or a nanny. But then I wouldn't have been able to make breakfast for everyone, go to the park together, have lunch together, go for a quick swim, and still get my job done. And I will still volunteer 3 hours tonight with the local youth group,(kids will be with their mother, although sometimes they come help out) and still get back home in time to put the kids down for bed. Then I'll take care of some paperwork.

Well, aren't you just the Father-of-the-Year?!! I am so impressed, but not half as impressed as you are with yourself! If you are such an amazing person/parent, why do you feel the need to belittle and judge others? If everyone could just be like you......WOW what a wonderful world this would be!!

[DMA from Washington DC]

truth hurts wrote:

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For the record, Don't think I don't know it would be easier to go to work and leave my kids with their mom or a nanny. But then I wouldn't have been able to make breakfast for everyone, go to the park together, have lunch together, go for a quick swim, and still get my job done. And I will still volunteer 3 hours tonight with the local youth group,(kids will be with their mother, although sometimes they come help out) and still get back home in time to put the kids down for bed. Then I'll take care of some paperwork.
Friends say we're "lucky" to have that option. Luck has nothing to do with it, we chose to do this. We gave up good careers/salaries in order to create a business that would allow us to be with our family. It took planning, sacrifice, and hard work, but hey, the kids are worth it. Right?
So, I don't feel as sorry for the parent as I do the child, when I hear about abuse at a daycare, or tons of kids with ADD, or someone leaving a helpless child alone in a car. The child didn't have a choice...These parents make me sick.

BRAVO!!

[truth hurts]

DMA from Washington DC wrote:

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BRAVO!!

Thank you. Have a great weekend.

[Confused]

truth hurts wrote:

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For the record, Don't think I don't know it would be easier to go to work and leave my kids with their mom or a nanny. But then I wouldn't have been able to make breakfast for everyone, go to the park together, have lunch together, go for a quick swim, and still get my job done. And I will still volunteer 3 hours tonight with the local youth group,(kids will be with their mother, although sometimes they come help out) and still get back home in time to put the kids down for bed. Then I'll take care of some paperwork.
Friends say we're "lucky" to have that option. Luck has nothing to do with it, we chose to do this. We gave up good careers/salaries in order to create a business that would allow us to be with our family. It took planning, sacrifice, and hard work, but hey, the kids are worth it. Right?
So, I don't feel as sorry for the parent as I do the child, when I hear about abuse at a daycare, or tons of kids with ADD, or someone leaving a helpless child alone in a car. The child didn't have a choice...These parents make me sick.

Parents who work make you sick?

If every parent stayed home with his/her children there wouldn't be enough doctors to treat your child, teachers to teach them, police to protect them, etc. etc.

[DMA from Washington DC]

Confused wrote:

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Parents who work make you sick?
If every parent stayed home with his/her children there wouldn't be enough doctors to treat your child, teachers to teach them, police to protect them, etc. etc.

You read it wrong he said "these" parents make me sick referring to the parents of the little boy who was found dead in the SUV, not ALL parents!!

[Vix]

DMA from Washington DC wrote:

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You read it wrong he said "these" parents make me sick referring to the parents of the little boy who was found dead in the SUV, not ALL parents!!

Actually, if you read his previous posts,'Truth Hurts' says that people who have children and then chose to work & use daycare rather than raise their children themselves make him sick.'Truth Hurts' is about as deep as a puddle.

[S in Virginia]

friend wrote:

If you knew Miles, you would take back all of the ugly things said here. There are no words that can describe how devastating this is and no mistake more tragic, but please know that this is a man who has always thought more of others than himself. Anyone who knows Miles knows that he just made an awful mistake. I am so sad for this family and sick about Chase's death.

I don't know Miles and I certainly wouldn't agree with taking back some of the things said. Yes, this is devastating for the mother and family but I'm not so sure as far as Miles is concerned. If this is a man who has always thought more of others than himself - how could he have gone through the day without any thought of his newly adopted child - was it his wife's idea and he was just dragged through the whole process? Yes, this is a awful tragedy but to say he forgot? A good excuse if he has AMNESIA!!! I don't agree at all with "in his shoes" and the remark about sleeping in the back seat, easy to forget, huge meeting, especially the comment rarely dropped off the child. If he rarely dropped off the child, but on this morning, his wife is putting the child in the car seat while HE waits or HE put the child in the car seat, any logical person is thinking I'm driving to day care as soon as they sit down in that vehicle. As far as "Penny" who says we are busy and deeply absorbed into the daily grind that we go into modes of autopilot - fine, however should one choose to become a parent that autopilot HAS to include thinking on behalf of yourself and your child (until they are old enough to handle it on their own or capable of protecting themselves). My husband and I went through the whole Russian adoption process too. Upon returning back to work, dropping the child off at day care first (usually me, but occasionally my husband) I swear not 5 or 10 minutes went by that we didn't at least think of her after arriving at our jobs. We were so blessed to have the opportunity to become parents that we never lost sight of that. If she fell asleep on the way to day care for either of us, we couldn't even count on one hand how many times we looked in the rear view mirror and thought how precious - thank God for this child!!! The fact that he forgot - well I just can't fathom that - how could someone forget their only child - was going and being obsessed with work more important than a life? I'll say my prayers for Chase and may his mother know he's safe with God.

[truth hurts]

Vix wrote:

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Actually, if you read his previous posts,'Truth Hurts' says that people who have children and then chose to work & use daycare rather than raise their children themselves make him sick.'Truth Hurts' is about as deep as a puddle.

Actually, I was referring to those particular parents. But, you are correct in that I have contempt for parents who have children and then don't want to raise them. Especially when something like this happens.

If you read my previous posts, I don't have anything against parents who have to work, I just think it should be a last resort.

I notice you claim to have gone to college to find a husband, but you didn't dispute putting your own kids in daycare even though you are a stay at home mom?

So in that scenario, if while your child was at daycare, and something horrible happened to him, I would blame you, as much as the daycare provider. Because you chose to put your child in harms way, not out of need, but convenience.

Now, we can differ on what constitutes "need". But I don't see how you can not agree with the overall responsibility of parents to protect their children.

I for one, don't believe over worked, under payed employees are the safest caretakers for my children. And, even though I don't know you, I don't think they're the best caregivers for your children either. Especially when the child is too small to speak for themselves, or defend themselves.

I love children, and I don't think a lot of people should have children, just because they can. So, I'm sure these people are heartbroken about what happened, but I still hope they don't go out and adopt another baby.

[S in Virginia]

Jen wrote:

I love the fact that everyone has completey missed the point. The man didn't leave his child to run into the store or to go do something else. He forgot to take him to daycare. I bet the mother took the child to daycare everyday and simply asked the father that morning to take him. Ever been told to do something and forget? If the child was sleeping in the back and your not used to taking him to daycare, you can very easily be side tracked by a phone call as you arrive to work. That's right, he was an executive for a company. Did any have you catch that he fainted when he realized what he done and has been in psychiatric care ever since
?? Yes, I totally agree that there are some horrible parents out there--BUT I do not think this gentlemen is one of them. He is just a regular human being who let something extremely important slip by and now he has to live with this for the rest of his life.

Give me a break - forget to take your child to daycare because you got side-tracked and took a phone call? That's it wasn't the norm - he's an executive? It doesn't matter if he was an executive or a janitor - this is NOT something as a parent you're allowed to forget - it was negligence!!! When one chooses to be a parent AND a worker your child SHOULD and ALWAYS be your 1st priority then your job! He had his priorites all wrong. We all have been asked to do something and yes we have forgotten - but when it concerns a life - NO - are you F@*#'g kidding me!!! Yes, I heard he's under psychiatric care and/or suicide watch after what he did. But remember he has a choice - to live with what he did or not. His newly adopted child didn't have a choice.

[Vix]

truth hurts wrote:

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Actually, I was referring to those particular parents. But, you are correct in that I have contempt for parents who have children and then don't want to raise them. Especially when something like this happens.
If you read my previous posts, I don't have anything against parents who have to work, I just think it should be a last resort.
I notice you claim to have gone to college to find a husband, but you didn't dispute putting your own kids in daycare even though you are a stay at home mom?
So in that scenario, if while your child was at daycare, and something horrible happened to him, I would blame you, as much as the daycare provider. Because you chose to put your child in harms way, not out of need, but convenience.
Now, we can differ on what constitutes "need". But I don't see how you can not agree with the overall responsibility of parents to protect their children.
I for one, don't believe over worked, under payed employees are the safest caretakers for my children. And, even though I don't know you, I don't think they're the best caregivers for your children either. Especially when the child is too small to speak for themselves, or defend themselves.
I love children, and I don't think a lot of people should have children, just because they can. So, I'm sure these people are heartbroken about what happened, but I still hope they don't go out and adopt another baby.

Being that your last post is somewhat civil, I am going to leave it alone! Going round and round with you has been entertaining to say the least!

In response to an incorrect statement you made, my children do not go to daycare and never have. Preschool 2 days a week for 3 hours, but no daycare. I actually agree that daycare is not the place to raise a child, but I don't condone those who have to use it.

BTW....where are you from? Just curious as the United States is a pretty big place!:-)

[gigi]

Tragic and sad for all. Negligent, yes. Intentional, doubtful. Have a little compassion for the guy. Think of what he has to live with for the rest of his life. How do you (and your spouse) ever get past the fact that your negligence caused your child's death? Easy for us to judge, harder to forgive?

[stacey]

I have to agree with you. I have two small children and don't know how this could happen. However, I don't think he did this on purpose and this is something he will live with for the rest of his life. We need to pray for the family of this little angel.

Jen wrote:

I love the fact that everyone has completey missed the point. The man didn't leave his child to run into the store or to go do something else. He forgot to take him to daycare. I bet the mother took the child to daycare everyday and simply asked the father that morning to take him. Ever been told to do something and forget? If the child was sleeping in the back and your not used to taking him to daycare, you can very easily be side tracked by a phone call as you arrive to work. That's right, he was an executive for a company. Did any have you catch that he fainted when he realized what he done and has been in psychiatric care ever since
?? Yes, I totally agree that there are some horrible parents out there--BUT I do not think this gentlemen is one of them. He is just a regular human being who let something extremely important slip by and now he has to live with this for the rest of his life.

[Dmitry_Russia]

Does any authority in the USA check the mental health of a person who's going to adopt a child? I cannot believe that sober and quite normal man can forget about a baby locked in the car for hours! Was that "father" stoned? Or he believes that a poor Russian 21-months old boy was a pet or just a toy that American middle-class man can afford to buy? We in Russia are really shocked! Of course, any moment people die (in Iraq also!!!), but that helpless child!..

[Mari]

That poor, poor baby. There's no good excuse for this to have happened.

[Bucknackt]

friend wrote:

If you knew Miles, you would take back all of the ugly things said here. There are no words that can describe how devastating this is and no mistake more tragic, but please know that this is a man who has always thought more of others than himself. Anyone who knows Miles knows that he just made an awful mistake. I am so sad for this family and sick about Chase's death.

WHAT BULL!!!! The child was 21 months old, so had to be active, even in a car seat, and vocal, and so could only be forgotten by someone so self absorbed that they could forget the child was in the vehicle. The person who murdered this child is pathetic, and should pay for his crime.