Truth Behind School Merger

Truth Behind School Merger

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Herkimer

New York, NY

#1 Jan 28, 2012
The four school merger has been shot down and know there is talk of a three school merger it seems like they will not let this go. I was under the impression that is all four districts did not support it then the talks would end. Why does this need to be done so quickly? They didn't wait a week and now they are having meetings about a three district Merger? At the very least people should be asking themselves what the rush is, this is a enormous decision for the people these communities. If there is a merger there will NEVER be a Herkimer, Ilion or Mohawk High School Again. That is the only Thing that will be guranteed, these schools have been individual for many years, have stood alone through good and bad times, it seems that a decsion to end them as indivdual schools should take alot more thought and alot less talk about MONEY? There are many reasons for this merger that don't seem to be discussed, like the compensation of the faculty, real reorganization of the faculty at these districts can save them individualy, but there has been little talk about that. So ask yourself, Why The Rush?
glad you asked

North Bay, NY

#3 Jan 28, 2012
Herkimer wrote:
The four school merger has been shot down and know there is talk of a three school merger it seems like they will not let this go. I was under the impression that is all four districts did not support it then the talks would end. Why does this need to be done so quickly? They didn't wait a week and now they are having meetings about a three district Merger? At the very least people should be asking themselves what the rush is, this is a enormous decision for the people these communities. If there is a merger there will NEVER be a Herkimer, Ilion or Mohawk High School Again. That is the only Thing that will be guranteed, these schools have been individual for many years, have stood alone through good and bad times, it seems that a decsion to end them as indivdual schools should take alot more thought and alot less talk about MONEY? There are many reasons for this merger that don't seem to be discussed, like the compensation of the faculty, real reorganization of the faculty at these districts can save them individualy, but there has been little talk about that. So ask yourself, Why The Rush?
First of all, what does this mean?..."There are many reasons for this merger that don't seem to be discussed, like the "compensation" of the faculty, "real reorganization of the faculty" at these districts can save them individually, but there has been little talk about that"...If you mean what I think you means, you aren't even close.

As for "why the rush", no rush. It's been a 2 year process and this is how it went down...
The initial merger was between Mohawk and Ilion. The 2 school grant was presented to the state and approved. Herkimer and Frankfort asked to be a part of merger study after the fact. The grant then was resubmitted to include the four. That allowed a 4 district study to take place and a straw vote to discover interest. After the straw vote is taken you go with the 4 district merger or adjust accordingly. Frankfort appears to have NO interest so we are adjusting accordingly.

A three district package will be more appealing to voters.

A 3way merger (map wise) makes for a tighter district. Overall costs and travel times will decrease; enrollment will be lower. All this in addition to a tax cuts, added programs, a plus on the bottom line saved by merging and on top of that an aid package.
alarmed parent

New York, NY

#4 Jan 28, 2012
Herkimer wrote:
The four school merger has been shot down and know there is talk of a three school merger it seems like they will not let this go. I was under the impression that is all four districts did not support it then the talks would end. Why does this need to be done so quickly? They didn't wait a week and now they are having meetings about a three district Merger? At the very least people should be asking themselves what the rush is, this is a enormous decision for the people these communities. If there is a merger there will NEVER be a Herkimer, Ilion or Mohawk High School Again. That is the only Thing that will be guranteed, these schools have been individual for many years, have stood alone through good and bad times, it seems that a decsion to end them as indivdual schools should take alot more thought and alot less talk about MONEY? There are many reasons for this merger that don't seem to be discussed, like the compensation of the faculty, real reorganization of the faculty at these districts can save them individualy, but there has been little talk about that. So ask yourself, Why The Rush?
You were "under the impression" that merger talks would end? You're obviously not very well informed.
WOW

North Bay, NY

#5 Jan 28, 2012
alarmed parent wrote:
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You were "under the impression" that merger talks would end? You're obviously not very well informed.
Yeah, tell him he should have attended meeting like you.

Oh, and I'm changing my name from WOW to clueless bast-ard.
clueless bastard i ws WOW

North Bay, NY

#6 Jan 28, 2012
WOW wrote:
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Yeah, tell him he should have attended meeting like you.
Oh, and I'm changing my name from WOW to clueless bast-ard.
sorry...He should have attended meetings like you.
alarmed parent

New York, NY

#7 Jan 28, 2012
WOW wrote:
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Yeah, tell him he should have attended meeting like you.
Oh, and I'm changing my name from WOW to clueless bast-ard.
Huh? I am very well acquainted with the facts of the study, twit.
WOW

North Bay, NY

#8 Jan 28, 2012
alarmed parent wrote:
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Huh? I am very well acquainted with the facts of the study, twit.
Yeah I noticed your vast knowledge in regard to transportation figures and the sharing of services between the schools.
WOW

North Bay, NY

#9 Jan 28, 2012
alarmed parent wrote:
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Huh? I am very well acquainted with the facts of the study, twit.
DID you know this; Wktv.com ....School officials from Herkimer, Ilion and Mohawk decided three-school merger is the best option. More details on WKTV.com
still opposed

Camillus, NY

#10 Jan 28, 2012
Testimony of the NYS School Boards Assn. on the 2012-13 Executive Budget
Jt. Legislative Fiscal Committees, January 23, 2012, p. 3
Many districts can no longer proceed under their present structure and provide the curriculum required by the state, let alone that which would actually advance the interests of our state workforce. It has been suggested that these districts should merely merge or consolidate. In some cases, that may in fact be the better course; providing that the combined districts could then provide additional educational opportunities. However, study after study has revealed that there are few fiscal savings from consolidations and mergers. While a few administrative salaries might be left off the balance sheet, districts must adjust salaries of all staff (to that of the higher paid former district) transportation costs increase and communities are disrupted or had their identity permanently taken from them. Regionalism and sharing of services may have true value, but forced consolidation (either by decree or by fiscal necessity) has little merit at best and is socially damaging at its worst. We are grateful for the governorís plan to retain reorganizational aid for those districts for whom consolidation and merger are appropriate.
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New York, NY

#11 Jan 28, 2012
Better Schools Come on Smaller Campuses by Stacy Mitchell.

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New York, NY

#12 Jan 28, 2012
"According to the Department of Education, schools of 1,000 or more students experience 825 percent more violent crime, 270 percent more vandalism and 1,000 percent more weapons incidents, compared to those with fewer than 300 students. Better Schools Come on Smaller Campuses
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New York, NY

#13 Jan 28, 2012
Few aspects of education have been more thoroughly researched than school size; few findings have been more consistent; and few have been more consistently ignored. Ted Sizer said no school -- elementary, middle, or secondary -- should have more than 200 students....Sizer heads the Coalition for Essential Schools, which has numerous school reform projects around the nation, and he has received millions of dollars from Walter Annenberg to assist his efforts. http://www.schoolreport.com/schoolreport/arti...
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New York, NY

#14 Jan 28, 2012
As part of a broader push to create hundreds of small, personalized high schools across the country, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation announced the launch last week of a five-year,$31 million, initiative to start 168 alternative schools geared to young people who are falling through the cracks in traditional high schools.

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New York, NY

#15 Jan 28, 2012
School district size has a consistent negative relation to student performance and is highly significant in three out of four tests." W. Niskanen & M. Levy, University of California, Berkeley4...The main reason taxpayers have not passed more bond elections for more and smaller schools is that our districts are too large. Their suspicions say that their money is going to benefit some other part of the district. The district is no longer their community, but it is rather a larger government entity. http://www.smallerschools.com/DistrictSize.sh...
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New York, NY

#16 Jan 28, 2012
Can the current public education system reform to serve all students, even children it now "leaves behind?"Yes Higher graduation rates, less violence, a sense of belonging instead of alienation: the case for small schools is supported by mountains of evidence and a growing number of innovative models. But many state and local governments persist in consolidation efforts, fueled by a misguided belief in the effectiveness of giant schools. http://mackinac.org/pubs/mer/article.asp...
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New York, NY

#17 Jan 28, 2012
A series of studies1 in seven states (Alaska, California, Georgia, Montana, Ohio, Texas, and West Virginia) indicates that smaller schools reduce the harmful effects of poverty on student achievement and help students from less affluent communities narrow the academic achievement gap between them and students from wealthier communities. The implication is that the less affluent a community, the smaller the school and school district serving that community should be in order to maximize student achievement. The present study conducted by Ohio University researchers extends this analysis to Arkansas. The findings are remarkably consistent with those from the other states. http://www.ruraledu.org/docs/sapss/ar_rep02.h... 4a
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New York, NY

#18 Jan 28, 2012
Charleston Gazette ran a series entitled "Closing Costs" that detailed the results of its yearlong investigation into the legacy of a decade of school consolidation in West Virginia. The Gazette examined high school course schedules in 10 West Virginia counties and "found more than 100 advanced classes that were promised but weren't offered in the past two years." The Gazette reported that not only had school administrators "reneged on promises" of savings and advanced classes, but after closing 300 schools, West Virginia had seven more school administrators than 10 years ago, plus a 16 percent increase in central office administrators. www.afaar.org on educational issues page. 5a
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New York, NY

#19 Jan 28, 2012
The Department of Education, in its report &#65533; Violence and Discipline Problems in U.S. Public Schools: 1996-97&#65533;, finds that school principals were more likely to perceive at least one discipline issue as a serious problem in schools with enrollments of more than 1,000 students. 38% of principals in large schools reported some serious discipline problems, compared to 15% of principals in medium size schools and 10% in small schools. In a paper examining the correlation between school size and types of disorder, Emil J. Haller found that school size has a substantial and independent effect on student truancy and disorder. http://www.ruraledu.org/download/violence.doc
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New York, NY

#20 Jan 28, 2012
Much school consolidation has been based on the beliefs that larger schools are less expensive to operate and have higher-quality curricula than small schools. Research has demonstrated, however, that neither of these assertions is necessarily true. Academic achievement in small schools is at least equal&#65533;and often superior&#65533;to that of large schools. Student attitudes toward school in general are more positive in small schools. Student social behavior&#65533;as measured by truancy, discipline problems, violence, theft, substance abuse, and gang participation&#65533;is more positive in small schools. Levels of extracurricular participation are much higher and more varied in small schools than large ones, A smaller percentage of student drop out of small schools than large ones. http://www.ruraledu.org/docs/arkansas/small_s... 9
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New York, NY

#21 Jan 28, 2012
The issue of school size is at the forefront of education reform in this country. Time and again, research has shown that small schools make a valuable and noticeable difference in students' education. But while larger, urban schools are embracing this evidence by downsizing or creating "schools within schools," small, rural schools continue to be consolidated out of existence due to the mistaken belief that one big centralized school is more efficient, and therefore, better. The result is a large, consolidated school to which students must be bused long distances from their homes, where there is no sense of community investment in the school, and where parent and community participation in school affairs suffers because the school district is so distant. http://www.ruraledu.org/roots/rr302a.htm 19

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