Build Jail vs. Ship Them Out

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#125
May 19, 2013
 
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What is udated is the 2006 Labella report and data that is being utilized to support their "big build". The CRG report concluded in 2011 is being largely ignored.
Talk about agenda's!
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County Jails Administration in New York – An Overview5 Dated 2012 pg7 New Paltz NY

New York State law6 requires that “each county shall continue to maintain a county jail as prescribed by law”. Typically these jails
house individuals awaiting trial as well as offenders who are sentenced to one year or less. New York’s 57 county jails, which are
generally under the purview of an elected sheriff, are overseen by the State Commission of Correction (SCOC), which was established pursuant to Article XVII of the NYS Constitution. After the Attica
riots of 1971, the head of the Department of Correction was removed as the chair of the SCOC and it was made an independent agency.

By the 1990s the SCOC began aggressively addressing overcrowded conditions, pressuring counties to expand existing facilities or construct new ones. From 2000 to 2010, 2,649 beds were added, or
built as part of new facilities, in 15 county jails, according to an SCOC document obtained from NYSAC (New York State Association of Counties).

The number of beds the county must build is based upon the SCOC’s prediction of future inmate population, which is in turn based on a Federal formula. Some counties believe their needed
capacity was overstated by SCOC while others deliberately built larger in an effort to have extra capacity, aiming to generate revenues
by boarding in inmates from other jurisdictions. However, SCOC’s current leadership has made it clear that the practice of transferring
inmates, in large numbers or over the long term, is not a desirable strategy.

If a county jail becomes unfit or unsafe for some or all of the inmates, SCOC must designate another facility within the county or a jail of another county for the confinement of some or all of the
inmates. As described in the accompanying CRREO study, this is generally done on a case by case basis, for a limited time. While a county may seek a variance from a violation of an SCOC standard,
the SCOC has often used denials (or withdrawals of previously granted variances) to induce counties to comply with its wishes.
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#128
May 20, 2013
 
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The number of beds the county must build is based upon the SCOC’s prediction of future inmate population, which is in turn based on a Federal formula.
based on a Federal formula.
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#129
May 20, 2013
 
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based on a Federal formula.
personally I think it's what needs to be done
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We don't have an agenda. We are a nonpartisan community action group. The videos we post are a visual representation on the minutes of the legislature.

But please "moron" provide me where we have an agenda. Because being a member I didn't know we had one. Other than to inform the voters by showing them what happens in the chamber on the 3rd floor. As well as better herkimer county where it is needed. But please where's our agenda. That sounds like some good ol boy jimmy bono or patty russell would say.
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moron wrote:
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Nothing is to be believed from the Concerned Citizens as they have their own agenda.
We don't have an agenda. We are a nonpartisan community action group. The videos we post are a visual representation on the minutes of the legislature.

But please "moron" provide me where we have an agenda. Because being a member I didn't know we had one. Other than to inform the voters by showing them what happens in the chamber on the 3rd floor with no editing or spin. As well as better herkimer county where it is needed. If you can call that an "agenda" But please where's our agenda. That sounds like some good ol boy jimmy bono or patty russell would say.
funny good ol boys

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#132
May 21, 2013
 
Use the C-word, use the N-word and people are offended, a fight my ensue.

Use the term GOOD OLE BOY's you get raised eyebrows and a shoulder shrug.

You're an annoyance, not just to those you wish to annoy but to the majority of voters. Your rhetoric and repetitious bullshht turns voters off. You and yours do more for Bono's reelection than campaign money.
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funny good ol boys wrote:
Use the C-word, use the N-word and people are offended, a fight my ensue.
Use the term GOOD OLE BOY's you get raised eyebrows and a shoulder shrug.
You're an annoyance, not just to those you wish to annoy but to the majority of voters. Your rhetoric and repetitious bullshht turns voters off. You and yours do more for Bono's reelection than campaign money.
the OD had a great article on the need for citizens group because the entrenched politicians arrogantly believe the citizens who they are suppose to SERVE have no right to see how the elected are governing. While I don't go to meetings I am glad the Citizens group tapes the meeting. That service alone is worth so much in letting us know the background on what they are doing and it ain't pretty. That Bono boy is shameful. He might get reelected but not because he is good, just because he is connected.
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#134
May 21, 2013
 
outside looking in wrote:
<quoted text> the OD had a great article on the need for citizens group because the entrenched politicians arrogantly believe the citizens who they are suppose to SERVE have no right to see how the elected are governing. While I don't go to meetings I am glad the Citizens group tapes the meeting. That service alone is worth so much in letting us know the background on what they are doing and it ain't pretty. That Bono boy is shameful. He might get reelected but not because he is good, just because he is connected.
Connected to who, the voters?

Tape away, I think it's been beneficial to Bono and the GOOD OLE BOY's. Not to mention, the village board could use a few good ole boys, the dumbfks get beat-up in court at every turn. Total ignorance.

Here's how it goes, you see one thing and I see another. We have one of the very few counties in the black and as for your opinion of the GOOD OLE BOY's and this jail thing, it seems you're S.O.L..
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theres no protection from crime out here cops dont care. neither does the judges that refuse to protect innocent ppl from hardcore repeate felons rapists and murders. they baby killers with soft sentences again and again. they cudnt even catch kurt myers with out a bail out from outside
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#136
Jun 22, 2013
 
ur one of a few wrote:
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Connected to who, the voters?
Tape away, I think it's been beneficial to Bono and the GOOD OLE BOY's. Not to mention, the village board could use a few good ole boys, the dumbfks get beat-up in court at every turn. Total ignorance.
Here's how it goes, you see one thing and I see another. We have one of the very few counties in the black and as for your opinion of the GOOD OLE BOY's and this jail thing, it seems you're S.O.L..
BINGO...TOO FKin dumb...
Herkimer County wins lawsuit against village over water/sewer bills.
The village's attempt to force the county to reimburse the village for more than $231,000 of water and sewer charges which went unpaid by the operators of the Quackenbush facility.

$231k + legal fees = DUMB
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#137
Nov 5, 2013
 
http://www.herkimertelegram.com/article/20131...

And this is good for the citizens why? More money coming out of pocket from the citizens who live in Village of Herkimer which is in Herkimer County.

Get the freaking courts to push the paper faster so we don't keep the dead wood around so long. Fix what was the new jail (It can be done) and open the old one up so you have a 24 hr holding area.

Come on... are we serving dignitaries or prisoners here? Whoever is pushing this on the county side is not looking after the best interests of the citizens. Now your gonna send taxpayer money outside of the county to fight citizens in the county? Gotta be a law against that huh? Get over it... the idea sucked and now good money is going after bad.

Screw NYS.... I don't see any money coming from them.
dont worry about it

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#138
Nov 5, 2013
 
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http://www.herkimertelegram.co m/article/20131024/NEWS/131029 849
And this is good for the citizens why? More money coming out of pocket from the citizens who live in Village of Herkimer which is in Herkimer County.
Get the freaking courts to push the paper faster so we don't keep the dead wood around so long. Fix what was the new jail (It can be done) and open the old one up so you have a 24 hr holding area.
Come on... are we serving dignitaries or prisoners here? Whoever is pushing this on the county side is not looking after the best interests of the citizens. Now your gonna send taxpayer money outside of the county to fight citizens in the county? Gotta be a law against that huh? Get over it... the idea sucked and now good money is going after bad.
Screw NYS.... I don't see any money coming from them.
They quoted Hartman...too funny. He read a written response, I wonder why? hahahahahahahaha

The village caused this situation and it has to be fought, no choice. The county had time and a 1/2mill invested when the village re-zoned. What part don't you get.

Oh and asswipe Hartman was leading the parade with a bottle of beer and a roach.

The Village ain't got a shot.
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dont worry about it wrote:
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They quoted Hartman...too funny. He read a written response, I wonder why? hahahahahahahaha
The village caused this situation and it has to be fought, no choice. The county had time and a 1/2mill invested when the village re-zoned. What part don't you get.
Oh and asswipe Hartman was leading the parade with a bottle of beer and a roach.
The Village ain't got a shot.
Um, the village did not rezone, moron. Keep guessing. They passed a local ordinance that a jail will not be built and it did not involve rezoning at all. The P&C property is still the same commercial zoning that it always has been.
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Fkin more ons wrote:
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BINGO...TOO FKin dumb...
Herkimer County wins lawsuit against village over water/sewer bills.
The village's attempt to force the county to reimburse the village for more than $231,000 of water and sewer charges which went unpaid by the operators of the Quackenbush facility.
$231k + legal fees = DUMB
yeah except the county LOST on the appeal.
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#141
Nov 5, 2013
 
the gasoline to board out X number to FREAKING ELMIRA is what?? every court day ?/ listen to the jail transport traffic and figure how many man hours for how many SERVANTS of WHAT THE HELL scum plus how many thousands of gallons of gasoline REALY COST YOU EACH stinking day.. and do the math..THE NEW JAIL COULD BE MADE OF GOLD BY NOW AND REACH THE MOON.oh but thats not serving the local whining politicians..to GET THIER OWN GLORY DAYS is it??? are you on that list also?? screw the taxpayer by the yard??its only money..what the hell do you care
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#142
Nov 5, 2013
 
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yeah except the county LOST on the appeal.
The appeal was sent back to State Supreme Justice Erin Gall for review of additional info...you fkin retard...and re-zoning is the issue, you dk.

And the village is fked. Say hi to Hartman for me.
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#143
Nov 6, 2013
 
WRONG jerkoff wrote:
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The appeal was sent back to State Supreme Justice Erin Gall for review of additional info...you fkin retard...and re-zoning is the issue, you dk.
And the village is fked. Say hi to Hartman for me.
No, actually, "jerkoff" got it right. The village never rezoned anything. They only passed a local law or ordinance prohibiting the construction of a jail anywhere in the village limits, including the old P&C property. You said the Village did rezone to stop the jail, and that is not the case at all.

Fail...
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yes u is the troll wrote:
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No, actually, "jerkoff" got it right. The village never rezoned anything. They only passed a local law or ordinance prohibiting the construction of a jail anywhere in the village limits, including the old P&C property. You said the Village did rezone to stop the jail, and that is not the case at all.
Fail...
You are the complaining sniffling socialite boy, who had all those terrible things to say about the professional and dedicated staff at Bassett. Still wreaking havoc I see. Have you no shame. Everyone knows the incompetence and corruption involved in the jail issue. Everyone apparently but you!! LOL
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#145
Nov 6, 2013
 
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<quoted text> You are the complaining sniffling socialite boy, who had all those terrible things to say about the professional and dedicated staff at Bassett. Still wreaking havoc I see. Have you no shame. Everyone knows the incompetence and corruption involved in the jail issue. Everyone apparently but you!! LOL
paranoid much? lmao.

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