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fact is

Herkimer, NY

#44 Apr 14, 2013
A nursing home administrator does not participate in financial decisions of a facility. The CEO and COO, on the other hand, do. Given both up and left last year, start looking at them. They left and the state came in shortly after.
herkimer homeowner

New York, NY

#45 Apr 14, 2013
fact is wrote:
A nursing home administrator does not participate in financial decisions of a facility. The CEO and COO, on the other hand, do. Given both up and left last year, start looking at them. They left and the state came in shortly after.
wow what a monumental shit for brains you are
herkimer homeowner

New York, NY

#46 Apr 14, 2013
fact is wrote:
A nursing home administrator does not participate in financial decisions of a facility. The CEO and COO, on the other hand, do. Given both up and left last year, start looking at them. They left and the state came in shortly after.
i mean really, where do you come up with this crap? you pull it out of your ass is what you do.

a nursing home administrator most certainly does participate in financial decisions e.g. that individual is in many cases charged with hands on control and/or a participatory role in budgeting which to enlighten you are comprised basically of A) revenue and B) costs.

although most people know that, since you do not (or are just a troll), here is a basic primer on the duties of your typical nursing administrator:

http://www.michigan.gov/healthcareers/0,1607,...
MEME1

Ilion, NY

#48 Apr 14, 2013
The CEO & COO controlled the books & their administration. The administrator's job was to look the other way.
Countryside unemployed

Walton, NY

#49 Apr 14, 2013
The truth is that the CEO and COO which were escorted out last October are most likely to blame for the financial troubles that Folt's is facing. The AG wouldn't be investigating unless they had found evidence of fraud and misappropriations of funds. Countryside in Delhi was OWNED by these men (Reid, Ortz and Johnson)and they were everything BUT ethical!!! They stocked the shelves of Countryside with Folt's home products and shared employees and equipment. Many times over the six years that they ran the facility employees couldn't cash their checks. Some are still waiting for pay. They didn't send W2's to all the employees either.
The AG was notified about all of these issues, maybe that office has finally gotten enough complaints to go after them. It is just a shame that the hard working employees and those that they serve (the residents) have to suffer and could possibly lose their home the same way Countryside did
MEME1

Ilion, NY

#50 Apr 15, 2013
Countryside unemployed wrote:
The truth is that the CEO and COO which were escorted out last October are most likely to blame for the financial troubles that Folt's is facing. The AG wouldn't be investigating unless they had found evidence of fraud and misappropriations of funds. Countryside in Delhi was OWNED by these men (Reid, Ortz and Johnson)and they were everything BUT ethical!!! They stocked the shelves of Countryside with Folt's home products and shared employees and equipment. Many times over the six years that they ran the facility employees couldn't cash their checks. Some are still waiting for pay. They didn't send W2's to all the employees either.
The AG was notified about all of these issues, maybe that office has finally gotten enough complaints to go after them. It is just a shame that the hard working employees and those that they serve (the residents) have to suffer and could possibly lose their home the same way Countryside did
They did the same thing at MVNH.
tax payer

Little Falls, NY

#51 Apr 15, 2013
Countryside unemployed wrote:
The truth is that the CEO and COO which were escorted out last October are most likely to blame for the financial troubles that Folt's is facing. The AG wouldn't be investigating unless they had found evidence of fraud and misappropriations of funds. Countryside in Delhi was OWNED by these men (Reid, Ortz and Johnson)and they were everything BUT ethical!!! They stocked the shelves of Countryside with Folt's home products and shared employees and equipment. Many times over the six years that they ran the facility employees couldn't cash their checks. Some are still waiting for pay. They didn't send W2's to all the employees either.
The AG was notified about all of these issues, maybe that office has finally gotten enough complaints to go after them. It is just a shame that the hard working employees and those that they serve (the residents) have to suffer and could possibly lose their home the same way Countryside did
Very well said!!!! It's about time someone finally says what really happened! Reid is a joke! Now his home is up for sale and away he goes to live in Florida. I hope they get whats coming to them.....It's great how you run two business's in the ground then say you resign and walk away with no consequences. How does he sleep at night? What a joke!!!!
scammers

New York, NY

#52 Apr 15, 2013
herkimer homeowner wrote:
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i mean really, where do you come up with this crap? you pull it out of your ass is what you do.
a nursing home administrator most certainly does participate in financial decisions e.g. that individual is in many cases charged with hands on control and/or a participatory role in budgeting which to enlighten you are comprised basically of A) revenue and B) costs.
although most people know that, since you do not (or are just a troll), here is a basic primer on the duties of your typical nursing administrator:
http://www.michigan.gov/healthcareers/0,1607,...
That is from Michigan, not NY, no comparison between the two. NYS regulations are not the same for Administrators in long term care facilities as they are in other states.

Keep shooting blanks!
herkimer homeowner

New York, NY

#53 Apr 15, 2013
scammers wrote:
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That is from Michigan, not NY, no comparison between the two. NYS regulations are not the same for Administrators in long term care facilities as they are in other states.
Keep shooting blanks!
it is true, you validate it with every post -- you are a monumental shit for brains.

so if an administrator doesn't administer with M-O-N-E-Y, what does he adminster with?

Bingo chips?
utter nonsense

Herkimer, NY

#54 Apr 15, 2013
herkimer homeowner wrote:
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it is true, you validate it with every post -- you are a monumental shit for brains.
so if an administrator doesn't administer with M-O-N-E-Y, what does he adminster with?
Bingo chips?
Clearly you have no idea what an Administrator of a long term nursing facility does if that's what you come up with. Good thing you're not qualified to do more than fetch carts in Walmart parking lot otherwise the good folks in nursing homes should be afraid of a nitwit like you.
herkimer homeowner

New York, NY

#55 Apr 15, 2013
utter nonsense wrote:
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Clearly you have no idea what an Administrator of a long term nursing facility does if that's what you come up with. Good thing you're not qualified to do more than fetch carts in Walmart parking lot otherwise the good folks in nursing homes should be afraid of a nitwit like you.
No, YOU'RE the one with no clue about what a nursing home administrator does. Allow me to educate you -- again.

Since you suffer from the misapprehension that nursing home administrator duties vary so greatly state to state, e.g. between Michigan and New York, this is directly from New York State and says, in plain English that might be understandable even to an assclown like you, that an NHA's duties include -->

"ensuring fiscal responsibility"

http://www.labor.ny.gov/stats/olcny/nursing-h...
Countryside unemployed

Walton, NY

#57 Apr 15, 2013
MEME1 wrote:
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They did the same thing at MVNH.
They didn't own MVNH, they only operated it. They put very inexperienced people in charge or those that wouldn't stand up to them and do the right thing, then they blame them for the problems that the facility has. This seems to be their "Standard of Operations". Victimizing the elderly and ruining communities. There were over 200 employees at CCC in Delhi, many haven't found employment yet!!!That just puts a strain on the whole community or communities in this case as our area is much more rural then Herkimer and many of our residents and employees came from all over the county. Over 125 employees of CCC filed complaints with the AG. We were not forewarned of the closing and 2 weeks before the final resident left is when our HR person had unemployment come in to talk to us. But even then the young DON Seth Maxwell was walking around saying "we aren't closing". These "owners" never even bothered to show their faces while all of this was happening!!! What cowards!!! They left the young administrator to handle the tears and frustrations of families that weren't even notified that their loved ones were moving or worst yet had already been moved. They are evil men who have profited by mismanagement, stealing, lying and just plain old criminal behavior!!! Now they all retire out of state or in Ortz's case Mexico!! Where is the justice!!! I pray that there is Karma and it will seek and destroy these men, the same way it has destroyed my community and countless lives affected by their actions.
MEME1

Ilion, NY

#58 Apr 16, 2013
You are correct. They didn't own MVNH but they were the ones that put it in to bankruptcy. They used people to do their dirty work. They got rid of people who were onto them & told everyone that these were the ones who caused the problems. What they did to Countryside is far worse than what they did to MVNH & Folts. Their greed has effected so many people. They even screwed over their partner. It's my hope that they are made to pay for the havoc they've caused for so many.
scammers

New York, NY

#59 Apr 16, 2013
herkimer homeowner wrote:
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No, YOU'RE the one with no clue about what a nursing home administrator does. Allow me to educate you -- again.
Since you suffer from the misapprehension that nursing home administrator duties vary so greatly state to state, e.g. between Michigan and New York, this is directly from New York State and says, in plain English that might be understandable even to an assclown like you, that an NHA's duties include -->
"ensuring fiscal responsibility"
http://www.labor.ny.gov/stats/olcny/nursing-h...
"ensuring fiscal responsibility" does not automatically mean they are making the fiscal decisions. The Administrator is directly responsible for implementing and making sure fiscal policies of the organization are being practiced. Most Administrators delegate fiscal duties to the likes of CEO's and COO's and Controllers more often than not. Major financial transactions are not carried out by Administrators in larger organizations that have CEO's and/or COO's. Folts is one of those larger facilities.
herkimer homeowner

New York, NY

#60 Apr 16, 2013
scammers wrote:
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"ensuring fiscal responsibility" does not automatically mean they are making the fiscal decisions. The Administrator is directly responsible for implementing and making sure fiscal policies of the organization are being practiced. Most Administrators delegate fiscal duties to the likes of CEO's and COO's and Controllers more often than not. Major financial transactions are not carried out by Administrators in larger organizations that have CEO's and/or COO's. Folts is one of those larger facilities.
Gee, doesn't that contradict your previous claim,

"A nursing home administrator does not participate in financial decisions of a facility." ??

Why by golly it does! Just admit you're a flaming spew-hole of misinformation and a monumental shit for brains and go back to picking up nickels at the McDonald's drive thru.

Another thing -- a nursing home administrator does not "delegate fiscal duties to the likes of CEO's."

Why? Because the administrator is SUBORDINATE to the CEO, you thumb-sucking fool! The CEO is the Big Cheese, El Jefe. The BOSS in other words.

You obviously are completely clueless as regards conventional organizational hierarchies. As you are clueless about most things.
scammers

New York, NY

#61 Apr 16, 2013
herkimer homeowner wrote:
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Gee, doesn't that contradict your previous claim,
"A nursing home administrator does not participate in financial decisions of a facility." ??
Financial decisions are not the same as creating and maintaining fiscal policy. Not even close. Again, you still are wrong. You are trying to make it as if the Administrator is the "money manager" of the facility, to which, they are not. There is enough going on with day-to-day operations of a facility that they cannot possibly do what you claim they do.

And back to the actual story. The issue with Folts is not the Administrator, else the Board would have removed him long time ago. The issue was Reid and Orts, who abruptly left. Are you going to say that neither a CEO nor a COO participate in any financial dealings of the organization? Oh, sure can't wait to see what bus window-licking answer you concoct for this one!
herkimer homeowner

New York, NY

#62 Apr 16, 2013
scammers wrote:
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Financial decisions are not the same as creating and maintaining fiscal policy. Not even close. Again, you still are wrong. You are trying to make it as if the Administrator is the "money manager" of the facility, to which, they are not. There is enough going on with day-to-day operations of a facility that they cannot possibly do what you claim they do.
And back to the actual story. The issue with Folts is not the Administrator, else the Board would have removed him long time ago. The issue was Reid and Orts, who abruptly left. Are you going to say that neither a CEO nor a COO participate in any financial dealings of the organization? Oh, sure can't wait to see what bus window-licking answer you concoct for this one!
Now let us be clear on semantics. You said a nursing home administrator does not PARTICIPATE in financial decisions regarding the facility.

Lookit you kunckle-dragging nitwit ... when the administrator goes to the CEO and says, "The whirlpool is broken, we need $3,000 for a new one" or "We need to demonstrate compliance with HIPAA and I need a 1/2 FTE just to handle that" or "we don't have enough budget to cover diapers because our supplier increased its prices 25%" - the administrator is PARTICIPATING in the financial decisions of the facility.

That is the nut of my quarrel with you. Nowhere did I claim or even suggest, contrary to your statement, that the administrator is the "money manager" of the facility. Of course not -- those responsibilities lie principally with the CEO, CFO, VP of Finance, etc.

But does the adminsitrator PARTICIPATE in financial decisions? Does he or she have input and make recommendations on budget for equipment, personnel, etc., and revenue sources be they federal, state, charitable or private pay?

Absofreakinglutely. So eat crow, mofo, and STFU.

None of what I have said is directly linked to Folts Home. I certainly am not ascribing blame to Fred Scerbo. I am simply laboring to educate you and prevent you from poisoning the public with your shameless misinformation.
sorta

New York, NY

#63 Apr 16, 2013
herkimer homeowner wrote:
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when the administrator goes to the CEO and says, "The whirlpool is broken, we need $3,000 for a new one" or "We need to demonstrate compliance with HIPAA and I need a 1/2 FTE just to handle that" or "we don't have enough budget to cover diapers because our supplier increased its prices 25%" - the administrator is PARTICIPATING in the financial decisions of the facility.
That is expressing a need exists for those items. Those are not fiscal or financial decisions being made. Not in the least.

Given your tone and insults, perhaps you should grow up a bit. You may obtain some credibility by not sounding like a 15 year old piece of white trash from the South side of Herkimer.
sorta

New York, NY

#64 Apr 16, 2013
herkimer homeowner wrote:
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But does the adminsitrator PARTICIPATE in financial decisions? Does he or she have input and make recommendations on budget for equipment, personnel, etc., and revenue sources be they federal, state, charitable or private pay?
Anybody can make recommendations, from a CNA all the way up to Admin. Still not making financial decisions. They have input and make recommendations to the person or people who actually are making the financial decisions, which is usually not the Administrator.
herkimer homeowner

New York, NY

#66 Apr 16, 2013
sorta wrote:
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That is expressing a need exists for those items. Those are not fiscal or financial decisions being made. Not in the least.
Given your tone and insults, perhaps you should grow up a bit. You may obtain some credibility by not sounding like a 15 year old piece of white trash from the South side of Herkimer.
it's official. you're a fkkking idiot.

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