No Clue You

United States

#63 Apr 16, 2011
Noise radiation from wind turbines installed near homes: Effects on health, with an annotated review of the research and related issues": Dr. Amanda Harry M.B.Ch.B.P.G.Dip.E.N.T. Barbara J. Frey and Peter J. Hadden, February 2007... Likely the best single source to date within the emerging body of documentation on health issues effected by industrial wind turbines. The review concludes that a safe buffer zone of at least 2km should exist between family dwellings and industrial wind turbines of up to 2MW installed capacity, with greater separation for a wind turbine greater than 2MW installed capacity. Also included is a lengthy annecdotal compilation regarding property devaluations that occur when wind turbines are sited too close to dwellings and residential lands.

Report abstract:
No Clue You

United States

#64 Apr 16, 2011
# Flicker Induced Health Risks: Chatauqua County Citizens For Responsible Wind..."There are two distinct types of flicker associated with wind turbines. Shadow flicker arises as the shadow of the moving turbine blades moves across the ground. This type of flicker is most common when the sun is at a low angle in the sky, such as mornings and evenings in the summer and just about any time in the winter. These shadows can extend great distances from the base of the turbine, particularly when the shadow is downhill from the turbines... The second type of flicker that can arise from wind turbines is strobing. Strobing occurs when turbine blades catch the sun and reflect it back towards the viewer. Since a turbine blade will be in the position where this reflection takes place up to 60 times per minute (20RPM X 3 blades) the effect is like a strobe light. Strobing can occur at any time of day and can happen anywhere the turbines can be seen - especially from the south, east and west.

The most severe, though by no means the only health risk associated with shadow flicker and strobing is seizure. It is a known fact that flickering or strobing light can cause seizure in susceptible individuals. Other risks due to flicker and strobing include headache, loss of balance, nausea and disorientation. Having a seizure is a severe medical issue but if that seizure, or for that matter disorientation, were to take place while a person was driving a car or operating farm equipment, it could be devastating to that individual and family."
No Clue You

United States

#65 Apr 16, 2011
# Health, hazard, and quality of life near wind power installations - How close is too close?: Nina Pierpont, MD, PhD March 1, 2005..."Dizziness (specifically, vertigo) and anxiety are neurologically linked phenomena. Hence the anxiety and depression seen in association with other symptoms near wind installations are not a neurotic response to symptoms, but rather a neurologically linked response to the balance disturbances people experience from shadow flicker or low-frequency noise... Based on these health effects and hazards, turbines should not be placed within 1700 feet of any road or dwelling. Those living within 1/2 mile (2640 ft) should be apprised that they are likely to experience very bothersome levels of noise and flicker, which continue (though to a lesser degree) to a mile or more from the turbines."
No Clue You

United States

#66 Apr 16, 2011
# Wind Farms 'Make people Sick Who Live Up To A Mile Away': Catherine Milner, News Telegraph, 25/01/2004... "Onshore wind farms are a health hazard to people living near them because of the low- frequency noise that they emit, according to new medical studies.... Dr Amanda Harry, a local GP who did the research, said:'People demonstrated a range of symptoms from headaches, migraines, nausea, dizziness, palpitations and tinnitus to sleep disturbance, stress, anxiety and depression. These symptoms had a knock-on effect in their daily lives, causing poor concentration, irritability and an inability to cope'...Similar problems have been found by Dr Bridget Osborne, a doctor in Moel Maelogan, a village in North Wales, where three turbines were erected in 2002. She has presented a paper to the Royal College of General Practitioners detailing a "marked" increase in depression among local people."
yeah you have no clue

Little Falls, NY

#67 Apr 16, 2011
all of those "studies" are junk science and have been debunked by real scientists and doctors.
yeah you have no clue

Little Falls, NY

#68 Apr 16, 2011
No Clue You wrote:
<quoted text>prove it..I am sure I can find many people who have problems from them as well as animals in the surrounding areas of turbines just like power lines that go in peoples back yards.Until recently, there were three main issues regarding the possible downsides of wind power: bird and­ bat deaths, cost, and disrupting the appearance of natural landscapes. But a new objection to wind power has popped up in the past few years, resting on the research of a few scientists. The latest argument states that wind power endangers the health of people who live near windmills. Some people call this theory "wind-turbine syndrome." Although the extent of the phenomenon is unknown, there does seem to be something to it.
No, you prove that there are. All of those supposed health affects are just in the minds of the people supposedly suffering from them. There are NO clinical affects from wind turbines. Wind turbine syndrome does not exist. It was created by the NIMBY's and a pediatrician from Northern NY who had no background to even study such things.
yeah you have no clue

Little Falls, NY

#69 Apr 16, 2011
I called the nocebo effect. These people who are "affected" by wind turbines already had it in their heads they are bad and harmful and thus now that they are near them feel affects that are 100% mental in their causes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/The_no...

http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/...

People already believe wind turbines will harm them and once they are put up, they feel these imaginary effects because their minds already lead them to believe it to be true.

Since: Oct 10

Utica, NY

#70 Apr 16, 2011
so true. i wonder how many land owners who think they are a good think but like right next to them too have come down symptoms.... i bet none.
you sure

United States

#71 Apr 16, 2011
yeah you have no clue wrote:
all of those "studies" are junk science and have been debunked by real scientists and doctors.
actually dickhead those are from actual doctors unlike ones you can't find
you sure

United States

#72 Apr 16, 2011
one more thing is that those windtubines are not thousands of feet away but more closer to 100 feet or closer which for their sizes should have been placed much further away from homes and maybe there would not be concerns with noise and such

Since: Oct 10

Utica, NY

#73 Apr 16, 2011
yes, and some say that the medicines for aids actually cause aids and the disease itself does not exist. just because a couple of docs say it means nothing. when the AMA officially recognizes it, then we can talk.
Carol

United States

#74 Apr 16, 2011
woozle and what wrote:
yes, and some say that the medicines for aids actually cause aids and the disease itself does not exist. just because a couple of docs say it means nothing. when the AMA officially recognizes it, then we can talk.
so your doctors articles are full of it also? I just know what I myself and heard, seen and dealt with and I live nowhere near them up there and know that shadow flicker in the homes are a fact and the noise and hum is there so you can shove it. Try living in your house with a strobe light on for several hours a day and see how you like it or would you say you would just not look at it being the dumb fk you are? If you are close to them in relation to a home you can hear them and feel a vibration in the home depending on the wind. The hum to me sounds like a never ending plane trying to land or a jet trying to land and it never does...constant as long as they are turning which is all the time...another fact that I am sure you will say does not happen...not to mention to have the ugly views of them all over in the country where it is to be peaceful, but the "poor farmers" need the money so being the dumb farmers they all are chose to get the turbines and change the lives of everyone in Fairfield without care.

Plan on one mess after another up there regardless and as far as property value is, why don't you buy one of the homes going up for sale up there then if you like them so much or will you say you don't like the country? Real estate companies are rare to even bother trying to sell because they know the properties will not sell. Call up some and see for yourself what they think it does to value of properties once turbines are in place on lands.
public nuisance

Little Falls, NY

#75 Apr 16, 2011
you sure wrote:
one more thing is that those windtubines are not thousands of feet away but more closer to 100 feet or closer which for their sizes should have been placed much further away from homes and maybe there would not be concerns with noise and such
they are not 100 feet or closer because they can't be. Keep lying.
public nuisance

Little Falls, NY

#76 Apr 16, 2011
you sure wrote:
<quoted text>actually dickhead those are from actual doctors unlike ones you can't find
You mean quacks. Nina Pierpont is from Malone and is a pediatrician, a children's doctor. She conducted a "study" that was completely bogus and totally shredded by real doctors and scientists who actually have a background to study such things. Pierpont did not select people at random for her "study". She advertised in the paper looking for people who felt the turbines were affecting their health. there was no control group, there was no randomness in the sample population. She took JUST people who believed the turbines were affecting their lives and based her entire thing on that. It is total garbage and has absolutely no merit to it.
fk you

United States

#78 Apr 16, 2011
public nuisance wrote:
<quoted text>
they are not 100 feet or closer because they can't be. Keep lying.
1000ft you loser and its not thousands as it states to not have problems arise. Those turbines are much closer and you can hear them all the time from everywhere..I have been there to witness it.
public nuisance

Little Falls, NY

#79 Apr 16, 2011
you have no clue either wrote:
<quoted text>
Wikipedia is not an accurate site. If you went to college, you would know that.
Wiki was but just one of the sites I referenced. Besides that, it is accurate giving the same definition of nocebo as other sites. I did go to college, which is why I knew enough to use other corroborating sites along with wiki.
public nuisance

Little Falls, NY

#81 Apr 16, 2011
you have no clue either wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously you did not go to college. Wiki is a laughable website and anyone who uses it is to be laughed at as well. You could have just used your other sites alone to make your unintelligent point.
Clearly nothing is obvious to you. College eduated. I figure the wiki page would be worded simple enough for a simpleton like you. The other links were intended for the intelligent people to read, way beyond your education level.
public nuisance

Little Falls, NY

#83 Apr 16, 2011
you are a public nuisance wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously you did not go to college. Wiki is a laughable website and anyone who uses it is to be laughed at as well. You could have just used your other sites alone to make your unintelligent point.
Obviously you didn't even attend high school since you just keep copy and pasting the same crap post over and over again.

Yawn.

Here, not a wiki link but probably above your reading level:

http://www.minorheresies.com/essays/2010/2/23...

Since: Oct 10

Utica, NY

#85 Apr 17, 2011
actually, wikipedia is being accepted more and more due to their tireless work towards accuracy. many colleges are accepting it as a reference source now. with that said, he did also offer other site that said the same thing and have never been called disreputable.

as to the other posts. apparently you have never seen a strobe light.... they don't blink that fast. they don't even come close to the speed required to triggering a seizure which is basically the only health effect the lights can cause.

as far as family? i have family very close to the windmills, they just don't have one on their land. i am still not against them. yes, sometimes, not always, you can hear a sound from them. but when it is loud(relatively speaking, we're still talking like 20 decibels here), it is still not louder than the wind itself. it is just a different sound. and not even that distracting of a sound at that, just different.

as far as all of them being closer than 1000 feet? wtf? that's bullshit. none of them are closer than 1000 feet. 1000 feet is smaller than the minimum distance to the closest structure, which is usually owned by the landowner whose property holds the windmill. most of the people bitching about proximity do not realize they are 2 to 3 thousand feet from them. it's just deceptive due to their size.

that's it for this post. have fun with your copy and paste.
u lame

Ithaca, NY

#86 Apr 17, 2011
woozle and what wrote:
actually, wikipedia is being accepted more and more due to their tireless work towards accuracy. many colleges are accepting it as a reference source now. with that said, he did also offer other site that said the same thing and have never been called disreputable.
as to the other posts. apparently you have never seen a strobe light.... they don't blink that fast. they don't even come close to the speed required to triggering a seizure which is basically the only health effect the lights can cause.
as far as family? i have family very close to the windmills, they just don't have one on their land. i am still not against them. yes, sometimes, not always, you can hear a sound from them. but when it is loud(relatively speaking, we're still talking like 20 decibels here), it is still not louder than the wind itself. it is just a different sound. and not even that distracting of a sound at that, just different.
as far as all of them being closer than 1000 feet? wtf? that's bullshit. none of them are closer than 1000 feet. 1000 feet is smaller than the minimum distance to the closest structure, which is usually owned by the landowner whose property holds the windmill. most of the people bitching about proximity do not realize they are 2 to 3 thousand feet from them. it's just deceptive due to their size.
that's it for this post. have fun with your copy and paste.
well then you should go up there at measure because you will find they are pretty close to 1000ft from homes there. as far as flicker it has to do with the sun setting behind them and causing flicker not strode you fool...and when they are running and thats pretty much all the time you hear it it and is annoying when you want peace and quiet in the country. We lived in the country and did not mind when trucks and tractors made noise being thats part of country living not lousy wind turbines that make noise all day each day day and night. if you don't live near one like up in fairfield then you have no clue what you are saying on the subject. SHUT YOUR TRAP ABOUT IT

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