New York Primary Election Sept 14: Wi...

New York Primary Election Sept 14: Will you vote?

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De Odumbo Conser

Herkimer, NY

#18180 Mar 13, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
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It is better to remain silent and thought to be a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Then I'd be quiet if I were you.

Since: Dec 12

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#18181 Mar 13, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Car insurance isn't a right, either, but everyone has to buy that.
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
I think universal health insurance would "promote the general welfare". But I guess conservatives like you would rather just go to the ER for your care and mooch off those of us who pay for it.
I pay for my own, the difference is you want me to pay for yours too, if you want insurance pay for it yourself, otherwise go to the emergency room for the sniffles like you always do maggot.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#18182 Mar 13, 2013
Remiesong wrote:
<quoted text> if a conservative is selfish and uncaring and a non altruist then they are a republican
DING DING DING!! We have a winner - ridiculous lib progressive partisan brain fart of the week.

Allow me to retort:

If a lib progressive is unselfish and caring and altruistic to think better of themselves WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, then they are a self-righteous fraud.

(Question for the group - why is it that the more egregiously mindless lib progressive tools on Topix seem so enamored of screen names with "song" in them??)

Since: Dec 12

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#18183 Mar 13, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Car insurance isn't a right, either, but everyone has to buy that.
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
I think universal health insurance would "promote the general welfare". But I guess conservatives like you would rather just go to the ER for your care and mooch off those of us who pay for it.
If you drive a car, you have to have liability insurance to protect me from idiots like you that should be on bicycles with training wheels on, apples and oranges, fool.

Since: Dec 12

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#18184 Mar 13, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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And if a conservative doesn't want an abortion, he doesn't get one. But if a LIBERAL doesn't want an abortion, he wants it outlawed for everyone!
Oh wait...
You're a prima facie case for abortion
De Odumbo Conser

Herkimer, NY

#18185 Mar 13, 2013
Hingle McCringleberry wrote:
I pay for my own, the difference is you want me to pay for yours too
Negative. I've had my own private health insurance for the entirety my life. Stop projecting.
De Odumbo Conser

Herkimer, NY

#18186 Mar 13, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
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DING DING DING!! We have a winner - ridiculous lib progressive partisan brain fart of the week.
Allow me to retort:
If a lib progressive is unselfish and caring and altruistic to think better of themselves WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, then they are a self-righteous fraud.
(Question for the group - why is it that the more egregiously mindless lib progressive tools on Topix seem so enamored of screen names with "song" in them??)
Let me ask you something: exactly which other people's money are we spending in this country? Think of the economic output and taxes paid by blue states vs. red states, e.g. New York vs. Alabama, California vs. Kentucky, Connecticut vs. Louisiana, Massachusetts vs. Arkansas, etc. etc.

Seriously, dickweed, who's picking up the tab for whom? It sure as hell isn't the conservatives paying for liberals in this country. Quite the effing opposite, in fact. If you're against redistribution of wealth, as a taxpayer of the state of New York, can I please have my money back? Because I've been paying for roads, schools, bridges, hospitals and memorial coliseums in every backassward, dunghole state in the Republic since I took my first job.
De Odumbo Conser

Herkimer, NY

#18187 Mar 13, 2013
Hingle McCringleberry wrote:
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If you drive a car, you have to have liability insurance to protect me from idiots like you that should be on bicycles with training wheels on, apples and oranges, fool.
BORING.
Remiesong

Danielson, CT

#18188 Mar 13, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
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Take public transportation with the other tree huggers, clown. I take responsibiltiy for my actions, so I insure, many people don't despite the law, particularly your cherished illegal invaders.
so your saying Obamas health care an, which forces everyone to insure is a good thing! Thank you !
De Odumbo Conser

Herkimer, NY

#18189 Mar 13, 2013
Hingle McCringleberry wrote:
You're a prima facie case for abortion
So the only response you have is an ad hominem attack? Par for the course. I wouldn't expect more.
WOWW

Massena, NY

#18190 Mar 13, 2013
obamas socialist welfare liberal dems suck.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#18192 Mar 13, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Car insurance isn't a right, either, but everyone has to buy that.
Nonsense. No one is compelled to buy auto insurance unless they freely choose to own a motor vehicle and operate it on pblic roadways.

The individual mandate in ObamaScare is an entirely different matter - this is a case of Government-compelled purchase of insurance simply to LIVE.

Thus your auto insurance comparison is a completely bogus and irrelevant one.
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
I think universal health insurance would "promote the general welfare". But I guess conservatives like you would rather just go to the ER for your care and mooch off those of us who pay for it.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. However, you're not entitled to your own bogus interpretation of the US Constitution.

First, you've cited the Preamble. The preamble of the constitution establishes no powers or rights of the federal government. It merely states the purpose of the constitution. No further development of what "general welfare" means can be made based on the mention of it in the preamble.

The only other place the term "general welfare" occurs is in Article I Section 8 - and even here the general welfare clause has absolutely nothing to do with the confiscation of wealth from one group of individuals and the transferring of it to another. Lib Progressives have completely distorted the meaning of that clause.

"General welfare" as the term is used in the US Constitution refers ONLY to the general welfare of the STATE, not the general welfare of INDIVIDUALS. Thus Article I Section 8 only grants congress the power to collect taxes for the promotion of a general state of well-being for the country as a whole provided the money collected will only be spent by congress according to the limited powers explicitly granted to congress.

Per The 10th Amendment, powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution (such as the wealth redistributive power you are advocating), are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. So if you wish to bring about your lib progressive nirvana, you need to do it throught the States and/or the free private sector (horrors!!), because the federal Gov't does not have the requisite power.

If you doubt the truth of this, please review the transcripts of the Convention debates, Federalist Paper 41 written by James Madison, and the Ratification debates of the Constitution.

De Odumbo Conser

Herkimer, NY

#18193 Mar 13, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
Nonsense.
No. Fact.
Teddy R wrote:
The individual mandate in ObamaScare is an entirely different matter - this is a case of Government-compelled purchase of insurance simply to LIVE.
Thus your auto insurance comparison is a completely bogus and irrelevant one.
Nope. People are "free" to choose to have me pay for their healthcare instead of paying for it themselves. That's complete crap.
Teddy R wrote:
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. However, you're not entitled to your own bogus interpretation of the US Constitution.
First, you've cited the Preamble. The preamble of the constitution establishes no powers or rights of the federal government.
So it doesn't establish a right to life? Cool. So abortion should be 100% legal. And we can also do away with the military as well, seeing as - according to you - there is no common defense to be provided. Neato. I like this.
Teddy R wrote:
The only other place the term "general welfare" occurs is in Article I Section 8 - and even here the general welfare clause has absolutely nothing to do with the confiscation of wealth from one group of individuals and the transferring of it to another.
So then blue states don't have to provide for red states anymore and I can get my tax money back? Gosh, I'm liking this!
Teddy R wrote:
Lib Progressives have completely distorted the meaning of that clause.
"General welfare" as the term is used in the US Constitution refers ONLY to the general welfare of the STATE, not the general welfare of INDIVIDUALS. Thus Article I Section 8 only grants congress the power to collect taxes for the promotion of a general state of well-being for the country as a whole provided the money collected will only be spent by congress according to the limited powers explicitly granted to congress.
Per The 10th Amendment, powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution (such as the wealth redistributive power you are advocating), are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. So if you wish to bring about your lib progressive nirvana, you need to do it throught the States and/or the free private sector (horrors!!), because the federal Gov't does not have the requisite power.
If you doubt the truth of this, please review the transcripts of the Convention debates, Federalist Paper 41 written by James Madison, and the Ratification debates of the Constitution.
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Remiesong

Potsdam, NY

#18194 Mar 13, 2013
So you say you can't afford a tank, an airplane and an air craft carrier for your own personal defense? Maybe you would like the taxes I pay to provide for your defense? How is healthcare for those who cannot afford it different. Why don't we have defense insurance ?
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#18195 Mar 13, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Let me ask you something: exactly which other people's money are we spending in this country? Think of the economic output and taxes paid by blue states vs. red states, e.g. New York vs. Alabama, California vs. Kentucky, Connecticut vs. Louisiana, Massachusetts vs. Arkansas, etc. etc.
The topic on which I posted was federally-mandated purchase of healthcare insurance, and the redistribution of wealth between PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS (not States) that this involves.

Please try to stay on it.

As for your more general question here, I have no problem at all with the federal gov't taxing and spending, so long as:

1) The spending and taxing is within the express limits imposed on Congress by the Constitution, and

2) The spending levels are affordable on a sustainable basis without bankrupting the Treasury and destroying the private economy from which the tax revenues are confiscated.

Unfortunately, vast sums of current and projected future federal spending do not pass either of these tests.

As for your desire to engage in a partisan red state vs. blue state Dems good, GOP bad debate, I'm afraid you'll have to find someone else to rant with - I'm completely disinterested, as I find it to be a tedious and pointless argument.
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Seriously, dickweed,...
"Dickweed?" My, my. Why, that's the nicest thing anyone's called me all week.
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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... who's picking up the tab for whom? It sure as hell isn't the conservatives paying for liberals in this country.
I would be very interested in seeing the data that backs up this rather sweeping assertion.

If you indeed have data from an unbiased and authoritative source showing the percentage of US annual federal tax revenues being confiscated from "conservatives" vs. the percentage being confiscated from "liberals," this would be most enlightening, as I have never seen such a breakdown.

Also, while I realize your lib progressive gene genetically predisposes you to pretend private philanthropy does not exist, please make sure to include a breakdown of the $300 billion or so of annual private giving between giving by "liberals" vs. "conservatives," if you have that data.

If you in fact have data to back up your assertion and were just posting out your azz in a partisan huff, that's ok too. Just let us know.
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Quite the effing opposite, in fact. If you're against redistribution of wealth, as a taxpayer of the state of New York, can I please have my money back? Because I've been paying for roads, schools, bridges, hospitals and memorial coliseums in every backassward, dunghole state in the Republic since I took my first job.
<Sigh>

Textbook lib progressive dodge & deflection - again, please try to remain on-topic - which is the forced wealth redistribution by the federal government between INDIVIDUALS under federal entitlement programs that are bankrupting the nation, not between States, and not spending on public infrastructure.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#18196 Mar 13, 2013
*If you in fact do not have data to back up your assertion ...
Remiesong

Potsdam, NY

#18197 Mar 13, 2013
And it is not wealth redistribution. It is providing that which the greedy and selfish would not otherwise participate in. Ever put any money in the offering plate at church? I wish I was in a lifeboat with you so I could throw you to the sharks.
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#18198 Mar 13, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Nope. People are "free" to choose to have me pay for their healthcare instead of paying for it themselves. That's complete crap.
Your post is completely disingenous crap.

Under the ObamaScare individual mandate, I am COMPELLED to purchase healthcare insurance, and if I "choose" (as you so absurdly put it) to disobey this mandate, I will be compelled to pay a large FINE.

Spin, spin, spin all you like - that's not free choice, brother - that's federal government denying me a FREE choice whether I purchase healthcare insurance or not.
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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So it doesn't establish a right to life? Cool. So abortion should be 100% legal. And we can also do away with the military as well, seeing as - according to you - there is no common defense to be provided. Neato. I like this.
Another bullshyte sophomoric strawman and deflection from you.

Article the seventh [Amendment V]: "No person shall be ... deprived of life ... without due process of law ..."

You'll have to take your bullshyte off-topic strawman deflection over the constitutionality of abortion up with someone who gives a rat's azz - I have no interest. Enjoy.
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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So then blue states don't have to provide for red states anymore and I can get my tax money back? Gosh, I'm liking this!
Totally cretinous attempt at an "argument."

No point to answer here ...
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Blah blah blah blah blah.
Translation:

"Waah!! I am left completely destroyed with neither fact nor reasoned, on-topic, intellectually honest argument!! Alinskyite deflection shields failed!!"

"Waah waah waah waah WAAAAH!!!"

See ya, tool - you've bored me now also.
De Odumbo Conser

Herkimer, NY

#18199 Mar 13, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
The topic on which I posted was federally-mandated purchase of healthcare insurance, and the redistribution of wealth between PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS (not States) that this involves.
Please try to stay on it.
In other words, I destroyed your argument and you have no comeback? Thought so.
De Odumbo Conser

Herkimer, NY

#18200 Mar 13, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
If you indeed have data from an unbiased and authoritative source showing the percentage of US annual federal tax revenues being confiscated from "conservatives" vs. the percentage being confiscated from "liberals," this would be most enlightening, as I have never seen such a breakdown.
Also, while I realize your lib progressive gene genetically predisposes you to pretend private philanthropy does not exist, please make sure to include a breakdown of the $300 billion or so of annual private giving between giving by "liberals" vs. "conservatives," if you have that data.
Pardon me, sir, but your post was about federally-mandated purchase of healthcare insurance, and the redistribution of wealth between PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS (not States) that this involves. Please try to stay on it.

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