What the H is happening with a new architect on Herkimer Jail

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deputy dog

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Jun 18, 2013
 

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What's the low down with the county. New architect after they spent a fortune with the one they already have. Let's get this show on the road. Who's pushing this Mrs. Rose. Bono better reign her in.
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better off with somebody else. La Bella was in it to build a jail too big so they could make money on the deal. 80 to 100 beds, no more. La Bella wanted over 200.
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LaBella had gotten a sweetheart deal, and Rose called Bono and Friends on it.$2million already paid to LaBella? For what???? Someone should check the accounting at that company to see if any money came back to anyone, family or even friends, of the legislators. Just to check
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rose has mental issues and zero pull
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You are just mad it doesn't go your way. She is the checks & balances. But nobody likes to be second-guessed. Too bad.
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oh no wrote:
You are just mad it doesn't go your way. She is the checks & balances. But nobody likes to be second-guessed. Too bad.
Yeah that's it cks and bals...you people talk to yourself. The jail and everything else will continue. As always it will roll right over you tards.

Did Carpenter get elected?

How's the board doing in Herkimer ;-)
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Rose has called this right all along. Too big a jail and too close deals with Labella. Now we find out this new firm was introduced to the county 5 years ago and the dems told wallace and the boys again to look at the company in 2011. They can't stand it when a woman is right! I wonder how many beat their wives! So where does that leave us. Paying 35 million dollars when the new guy could build for less than half that. Somebody better answer for that.If they change then Labella will sue and cost the county millions more. Rose was smart getting the new guys to realize the new company was a better deal. Bet Bono is not happy. And the taxpayers better wake up and realize these boys have been mismanaging the whole thing. Next things they'll do it change where theyre going to build it and waste all the money they spent at the P&C. You can't make this stuff up. Incompetent.
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they didn't waste any money at P&C because they still do not own that property. They have not purchased it nor acquire it through eminent domain.

They were not obligated to stay with La Bella either. They needed to part ways with them anyway. Their proposal and supposed increasing crime statistics over the years were way out of wack.
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Going to happen and roll right over you.

Rose is a douche.
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deny this wrote:
they didn't waste any money at P&C because they still do not own that property. They have not purchased it nor acquire it through eminent domain.
They were not obligated to stay with La Bella either. They needed to part ways with them anyway. Their proposal and supposed increasing crime statistics over the years were way out of wack.
They spent millions and you're right they don't even own the site. I guess it will depend who gives the most payola.
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rite wrote:
Going to happen and roll right over you.
Rose is a douche.
They hate her because she knows what's happening before they do. I heard he on the radio. She is one smart lady and their is no way they will role over her. I'm just happy Maneen is leaving. She has never really represented us and just stayed to get the free health insurance. She has it now so she is gone.I guess it might be worth the free care to get her to leave.
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Jun 20, 2013
 
Checks and balances, or obstruct and obfuscate, Mrs Roses effectiveness is marginal at best. As for the jail, millions may have been budgeted , but less than $800,000 has been spent. And before we get all warm and fuzzy about the new plan, the architect hasn't built in New York yet and their plan for 4 beds per cell doesn't meet NYS commissioners criteria.
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nova wrote:
Checks and balances, or obstruct and obfuscate, Mrs Roses effectiveness is marginal at best. As for the jail, millions may have been budgeted , but less than $800,000 has been spent. And before we get all warm and fuzzy about the new plan, the architect hasn't built in New York yet and their plan for 4 beds per cell doesn't meet NYS commissioners criteria.
Rose is one of only a very few Democrats on the legislature. How effective do you figure she'll be, or any of the Democrats at that?
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deny this wrote:
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Rose is one of only a very few Democrats on the legislature. How effective do you figure she'll be, or any of the Democrats at that?
she is and has been the one to call them out on their backroom deals. She has been very effective in getting word out on the corruption in Public Health. They let the crooks retire, but at least they left. She caught the deal on leased building space that they never used and then gave up the lease on the property when she hit on it. She let us know about all the deals being cut on the county home and what a farce that whole sale thing is. Oh and let's see she is the one calling them out on their health insurance and cash. Let's not forget about the Cassale deal with the IDA. That was the Bono and Piseck deal. No I will support her and I'm a republican. We need to send more democrats in there. It looks like the republican reformers end up being just like the boys that have been there. Not sure how they turn them into lame brains but they are.
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republicrat wrote:
<quoted text> she is and has been the one to call them out on their backroom deals. She has been very effective in getting word out on the corruption in Public Health. They let the crooks retire, but at least they left. She caught the deal on leased building space that they never used and then gave up the lease on the property when she hit on it. She let us know about all the deals being cut on the county home and what a farce that whole sale thing is. Oh and let's see she is the one calling them out on their health insurance and cash. Let's not forget about the Cassale deal with the IDA. That was the Bono and Piseck deal. No I will support her and I'm a republican. We need to send more democrats in there. It looks like the republican reformers end up being just like the boys that have been there. Not sure how they turn them into lame brains but they are.
good post. hard to break up the status quo when the public doesn't know about these things. Gotta thank Helen Rose for shining the light and watching the cockroaches scurry away.
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Jun 22, 2013
 
If your purpose as a legislator is to obstruct and obfuscate, even when it might be necessary to point out problems, you're not a productive member of the legislature. Of all the points mentioned republicrat, how many have been resolved, how many issues have been finished? We still have to move forward on a new jail. The Country Manor sale/expense of operation issue is still unresolved. Public Health continues to provide services as before. It appears to me that the best that can be said about Rose's efforts is that she is a good roadblock!
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nova wrote:
If your purpose as a legislator is to obstruct and obfuscate, even when it might be necessary to point out problems, you're not a productive member of the legislature. Of all the points mentioned republicrat, how many have been resolved, how many issues have been finished? We still have to move forward on a new jail. The Country Manor sale/expense of operation issue is still unresolved. Public Health continues to provide services as before. It appears to me that the best that can be said about Rose's efforts is that she is a good roadblock!
Country Manor needs to be sold off, period.

Yes, we have to move on a new jail. I suggested over 10 years ago the P&C site was the best fit for many reasons, most of which are obvious. But we do not need a 200+ bed facility when Herkimer sees maybe 80 or so inmates per year. Boarding in as a money maker? Yeah, that's why OCJ has over 600 beds, boards almost all of Herkimer's inmates and still has nearly 300 open beds. Fulton County also has capacity to board all of Herkimer and have in the past. So ask these legislators exactly who's inmates would we board when both adjacent counties already have ample room. 100 beds with the possibility to expand if necessary.

Full board out is not an option and will never be approved by the State. It is also not economically feasible to do so. We would be at the mercy of the hosting facility for how ever much they want to charge. Plus, WE are responsible for all transportation. We're talking the manpower spent driving back and forth, vehicle expenses and what not. Then you have the issue of Upstate NY weather that will affect transporting to and from the host facility. At least with the P&C site, transportation is virtually negligible. What's it, half a mile to a mile between P&C and the County Building?

Then there is the issue of law. Each County must have a jail, written in NYS County law.

The really sad part of all this is the jail issue has been bouncing around since at least 2000, over 13 years now. Rome wasn't built in a day, but good God, 13+ years to construct ONE jail and they haven't even obtained a property to even break ground yet.

And even sadder, many on the legislature have been in office most of these years. You want to talk about ineffectiveness. Start looking at long-sitting legislators and ask them what they've been doing.

Rose, like her or not, is at least asking the questions, which is what people elected her to do. I am not in her district but can at least appreciate some of her efforts. Some may be obstructing but not all of it. And again, she is one of the small minority of Democrats, and one of only the few women at that. So how much obstructing can she really do?
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Jun 23, 2013
 
I love the boys like to point to Rose as obstructing. I guess if you call blowing the whistle on what they do, is obstructing then that's what she does. she obstructs their attempts to keep us in the dark about the way they take care of themselves and their special interests. Elect more republicans and you will get just what you have had for years, bobble heads who can't think for themselves or lack the guts to challenge the boys. The jail hasn't been built because the village had blocked the county and we know that it has been at great expense. We an thank them for that since it looks like the jail will be built for millions less now. Now if they had only listen to this company years ago, we could have saved all they paid the other company. It is all a disgrace and you can't blame Mrs. Rose. Blame the idiots who keep electing the bobble heads.
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Jun 23, 2013
 
rite wrote:
Going to happen and roll right over you.
Rose is a douche.
You are gross and an idiot.

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