Open burning not permitted in Ilion o...

Open burning not permitted in Ilion or county

There are 44 comments on the WUTR story from May 21, 2008, titled Open burning not permitted in Ilion or county. In it, WUTR reports that:

By Eric Monnat Ilion, N.Y. - After looking into whether the village of Ilion has any codes or laws against opening burning, Fire Chief Mark Shaffer discovered the act is not permitted.

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another voice

Fishers, NY

#23 Aug 1, 2008
Backyard burner wrote:
Tonight's the big nite! Open pit fire, footlong dogs, marshmallows, grahmcrackers, Hershey's and ice cold draught beer. It doesn't get any better than that!
Draft beer with s'mores,?........you'll be sicker than a dog....lol
Neighbor

West Monroe, NY

#24 Aug 1, 2008
I agree, it's nice to have a fire in your backyard, but you also have to be considerate of your neighbors. If I notice the smoke going into their houses than I have to take the appropriate action. This is a good policy, since my neighbors appreciate it and they are more willing to give me leeway when necessary. It's a give and take thing. Be considerate of them and they'll hopefully return the favor. Most people don't appreciate their houses smelling like smoke and I don't expect them to.
Good Point

Schenectady, NY

#25 Aug 2, 2008
Neighbor wrote:
I agree, it's nice to have a fire in your backyard, but you also have to be considerate of your neighbors. If I notice the smoke going into their houses than I have to take the appropriate action. This is a good policy, since my neighbors appreciate it and they are more willing to give me leeway when necessary. It's a give and take thing. Be considerate of them and they'll hopefully return the favor. Most people don't appreciate their houses smelling like smoke and I don't expect them to.
Like most debates, it's the individuals that are on each extreme end of an arguement, that ruin it for the majority in the middle. Those that say no burning no way no how and those that say I pay taxes on my property and I'll do what I want. If these screwballs would just use common sense and courtesy, you wouldn't have most of these problems. I guess it's just human nature....
woozle and what

Syracuse, NY

#26 Aug 12, 2008
just a question, but, if so many people are against the banning of backyard fires, then why are they banned? just a silly thought, but the way i understand democracy is that everyone gets a vote... not, picture this... 3 people go the ilion next board meeting and complain about the burning, next month it is banned. now, 50 people who can no longer have their nice little backyard fires show up at the village board meeting and are like what the fuck? what do we think will happen next month? these meeting need votes to be elected, and if they see a majority if their constituancy are willing to come out and protest, they might realize that they could also come out and vote them out of office... again, just a thought seing as how i live in herkimer so i don't really have a say in ilion...
go figure

Fishers, NY

#27 Aug 12, 2008
It was the woodheads that burned casings off wire for bare copper and burned garbage, trash, recyclable plastics, etc that has brought DEC into the argument...try voting members in and out of DEC....lemme know how you make out
woozle and what wrote:
just a question, but, if so many people are against the banning of backyard fires, then why are they banned? just a silly thought, but the way i understand democracy is that everyone gets a vote... not, picture this... 3 people go the ilion next board meeting and complain about the burning, next month it is banned. now, 50 people who can no longer have their nice little backyard fires show up at the village board meeting and are like what the fuck? what do we think will happen next month? these meeting need votes to be elected, and if they see a majority if their constituancy are willing to come out and protest, they might realize that they could also come out and vote them out of office... again, just a thought seing as how i live in herkimer so i don't really have a say in ilion...
woozle and what

Syracuse, NY

#28 Aug 18, 2008
but it's not just the DEC that's in question here. MOST of these arguements are from the decisions pending in the legislature across the whole county. lasty i check "go figure", we still do have the ability to elect our own government. and btw, that government makes the laws that the dec enforces, they don't just have free reign...
the fire pit burner

Beans Purchase, NH

#29 Aug 20, 2008
Ok “JIM” I have to laugh my bond fire in my enclosed fire place is going to give you cancer. Well Then ill stop burning wood!!!!!! But you JIM need to stop driving your car because the exhaust is going to give me cancer also you need to stop going to the bathroom because you are polluting my waters. I would also like you to shut off your furnace in the winter because the carbon monoxide is going to kill me and my children… Now I don’t know you personally JIM but I live on Otsego St in Ilion and we have a putts just like you that calls the Ilion Fire Dept every time someone on our block has a fire going in there enclosed fire place. Now I can tell you as a fireman my self in a neighboring fire dept that people like you need to go play bingo or something to take up your time. You are taking a fire dept out of service for nonsense. I really hope your house never burns down or you need a ambulance because at that very same time someone like you will be calling them for a bond fire in a enclosed fire place. This same person is so stuck on him self he has cameras placed on the out side of his house. If this is you JIM then I am one of your neighbors and We don’t like you!!!!!!! We live in a very nice neighborhood with a mixture of young people and older people I for one can tell you my close neighbors are wonderful people. I can sit next to my fire and have a beer or me and my girl friend can sit back on a cool night and enjoy a bottle of wine and you are the only neighbor that complains. So I’m going to ask you one more favor JIM please stop calling the fire dept every time some one starts a fire in there enclosed fireplace because I for one want the fire dept to be available when me or my family or any other family in Ilion needs them. Also you wrote “ Wood smoke is a severe health risk. The EPA estimates that wood smoke is 12 times more carcinogenic than equal amounts of tobacco smoke. When I can smell smoke INSIDE my home from my neighbor's fire pit, I have every right to complain. It's against the law to burn. The last time I checked we don't get to pick which laws we wish to follow.” Ok if you now the local fire codes then you would know your wrong!!!!! It is not against the law to burn. The law states you have to be burning wood or a commercial type paper log in a enclosed fire place or a commercial burn pit such as one that some one would purchase at a hardware store like Lowes or Home depot. It does also state that the smoke cant bother your neighbors. You are the only neighbor that complains… If this the person that lives in the village of Ilion than I am sorry to be pointing the finger at you JIM but obviously you also have way to much time on your hands and should do something like help keep our village parks clean. That is all for now. God bless our local emergency service workers and the Ilion Fire Dept.
a taxpayer 2

Fishers, NY

#30 Aug 20, 2008
Do you think Jim gives a hoot ?
Ilion Taxpayer

Syracuse, NY

#31 Aug 20, 2008
Hey Jim how much does it cost us taxpayers for the fire department to come out everytime, I guess they send the bill to YOU!

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#32 Aug 21, 2008
it's fine to complain, but i love it when people try to come up with health statistics why something should be stopped. someone said wood smoke was 12 times more carcinogenic than tobacco smoke. maybe, but who concentrates wood smoke into a little paper tube and sucks it directly into there lungs? i really don't think that smoke rising into the air and dissipating, and being smelled by someone three houses down, is 12 times worse than directly inhaling tobacco. if it stinks, just say it stinks. i had a women on my block that called the cops several times, two summers ago, because i would build a wood fire in my outdoor fireplace. she had all these health, and environmental, statistics she got off the internet. now for the irony, this women and her husband were about 40 lbs. over weight, and were usually half in the bag, and the husband smoked. i find it hard to believe they were worried about there health. most people who complain about what there neighbors do, are usually just morons. obviously, we don't want anyone burning garbage in the villages, but how many people really do? nothing smells better than a wood fire in the evening. if you are one of those people, who are bitter and angry because your neighbors are laughing, joking, and having a few drinks around the fire, just invite yourself over, you might have fun too.
Another Taxpayer

Syracuse, NY

#33 Aug 21, 2008
OK, we should outlaw anyone lighting up and smoking firewood, because tobacco is much better for you.

Also, if you want to have a nice little fire in your yard, take a fireproof bowl, put it in your regulation fire pit, pour in a cup full 151 Rum (or anything over 80 proof)and light it. This burns so very clean and makes no smoke. Your neighbors will not smell a thing. The only drawback is that it may cost 100.00 to keep a fire going for a few hours. Please do not drink the alcohol after it is lit.

Of course this post is in jest. No one without experience should be experimenting with alcohol (call me is you would like instruction, I am a trained recreational alcohol expert).

No one has the right to tell me that I can't have a small fire in my approved fire-pit/fireplace, if they do I'll just bring it into my den.
two cents worth

Carleton, MI

#34 Aug 21, 2008
If I could add this...there have been many times that I have smelled wood burning coming dirctly out of chimneys from indoor woodburners. How is that smoke legit and open burning smoke not legit ?

as stated by calmn cents there are those who are inherently bitter and meddlesome. Why have they not spoken up during the last 200 plus years of "legit" woodburning? It would seem that woodsmoke is woodsmoke no matter what the source.

To another taxpayer I say "your d**n right" If you want to burn have at it. Give me a shout I'll bring the rum and it won't be for the fire.

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#35 Aug 21, 2008
holy crap!, thats twice in one day someone agreed with me. i think thats one of the signs of the apocolypse.
the fire pit burner

Syracuse, NY

#36 Aug 21, 2008
Well this is funny odveisly it must have been JIM that started this because he hasn’t responded. To the ILION taxpayer,calmn cents,Another Taxpayer,and two cents worth, all very good points I strongly agree with all of you and for you JIM its about time you keep your nose out of your fellow neighbors buisness..
Another Taxpayer

Syracuse, NY

#37 Aug 21, 2008
Obviously my previous post was my feeble attempt at humor, on a serious note.

I live in Ilion, my two neighbors both have fireplace appliances in their back yard. I have a small one that I have only used a few times.
Does smoke from my neighbors' fire occassionally drift to my house, of course it does. If I have the windows open, it might even come in.

However.....

I have two great neighbors and thank god that both families are socialble enough to sit in their yard with friends and enjoy a fire and occassional cocktail.

This is much more important to me than an the occassional smell of wood smoke.

Besides, I'm sure they sometimes tolerate things my family and I do...
OK Spike

Albany, NY

#38 Aug 21, 2008
a taxpayer 2 wrote:
Do you think Jim gives a hoot ?
Jim is busy sniffing glue..
Landlord

AOL

#39 Aug 21, 2008
Call me crazy but I like the smell of wood smoke.
Take a walk on an autumn or winter evening and tell me that smell does not make you warm and fuzzy.

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#40 Aug 21, 2008
Landlord wrote:
Call me crazy but I like the smell of wood smoke.
Take a walk on an autumn or winter evening and tell me that smell does not make you warm and fuzzy.
just reading your post, got me thinking about it, and made me warm and fuzzy. i lit a fire tonight. three of my neighbors came over, we had a couple drinks, listened to some music, talked, laughed. good times, good times.
Herkimer Taxpayer

Clinton, NY

#41 Aug 22, 2008
calmn cents wrote:
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just reading your post, got me thinking about it, and made me warm and fuzzy. i lit a fire tonight. three of my neighbors came over, we had a couple drinks, listened to some music, talked, laughed. good times, good times.
They gave you time off from the PD?

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#42 Aug 22, 2008
Herkimer Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
They gave you time off from the PD?
i'm not a cop, if thats what your getting at. as a matter of fact i'm not related to or have no friends that are cops.

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