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#6410 Feb 18, 2013
oooooooooo wrote:
<quoted text>he has my vote
I hope your stupidity isn't terminal.

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#6413 Feb 20, 2013
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; "
- Samuel Adams, American Statesman and Founding Father

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
- George Washington, General and First President of the United States

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States
De Odumbo Conser

Herkimer, NY

#6414 Feb 20, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment
"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; "
- Samuel Adams, American Statesman and Founding Father
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
- George Washington, General and First President of the United States
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States
Your quotes are meaningless, nothing more than opinions. Read Federalist Paper 29, from which it is clear that the founding fathers meant an organized militia under the direct control of the federal government:

"This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, RESERVING TO THE STATES RESPECTIVELY THE APPOINTMENT OF THE OFFICERS, AND THE AUTHORITY OF TRAINING THE MILITIA ACCORDING TO THE DISCIPLINE PRESCRIBED BY CONGRESS."

"Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year."

http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpap...

They absolutely were not talking about an individual right to keep and bear arms, but rather - just as the second amendment says - a well regulated militia. Look up the word "militia".
Geoff

Binghamton, NY

#6415 Feb 20, 2013
We know from Title 10 U.S. Code, S311:
Militia: composition and classes

(a) The milita of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Since: Jul 12

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#6416 Feb 20, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
<quoted text>
Your quotes are meaningless, nothing more than opinions. Read Federalist Paper 29, from which it is clear that the founding fathers meant an organized militia under the direct control of the federal government:
"This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, RESERVING TO THE STATES RESPECTIVELY THE APPOINTMENT OF THE OFFICERS, AND THE AUTHORITY OF TRAINING THE MILITIA ACCORDING TO THE DISCIPLINE PRESCRIBED BY CONGRESS."
"Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year."
http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpap...
They absolutely were not talking about an individual right to keep and bear arms, but rather - just as the second amendment says - a well regulated militia. Look up the word "militia".
I guess you were in the room, when the second amnedment was written. Who cares what an obamaphile thinks, you are incapable of independent thought, you are a mindless cultist.
Geoff

Binghamton, NY

#6417 Feb 20, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess you were in the room, when the second amnedment was written.
Were you?

Since: Jul 12

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#6418 Feb 20, 2013
Geoff wrote:
We know from Title 10 U.S. Code, S311:
Militia: composition and classes
(a) The milita of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Ecoute Geoff, the liberal mind interprets the exact same information differently from the conservative, i.e. you see Utopia, I see the dulling of freedom and the evolutionary progression of the human spirit which has produced the greatest standard of living for all of mankind. You see a great president, a champion of social justice, I see a narcissist thug politician who lies to useful idiots, to further his ruthless agenda. Have a cup of tea and enjoy your freedom while you still have it.

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#6419 Feb 20, 2013
Geoff wrote:
<quoted text>
Were you?
That's my point.
Jon

Gloversville, NY

#6420 Feb 20, 2013
ANY BODY BUT CUOMO.

Since: Jul 12

Brooklyn, NY

#6422 Feb 20, 2013
Fred Savage
Geoff

Binghamton, NY

#6423 Feb 20, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
<quoted text>
Ecoute Geoff, the liberal mind interprets the exact same information differently from the conservative, i.e. you see Utopia, I see the dulling of freedom and the evolutionary progression of the human spirit which has produced the greatest standard of living for all of mankind. You see a great president, a champion of social justice, I see a narcissist thug politician who lies to useful idiots, to further his ruthless agenda. Have a cup of tea and enjoy your freedom while you still have it.
Your grouping of people into liberal/conservative is another reason why folks like you keep losing elections. There is a large group of people in this country that are moderates. But you are told to believe otherwise and therefore anyone that disagrees with you must be a 'Liberal!'.

You don't know what I see or what I think so stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

Until you kids grow up you will continue to fail.
Geoff

Binghamton, NY

#6424 Feb 20, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
<quoted text>
That's my point.
Then stop pretending you were and that you know what they were thinking.

The well-regulated militia of the Second Amendment was a concession to the demands of the slave-holding states whose plantation economies were threatened by slave revolts. Those states insisted on the right to state-regulated militias. Once the slaves were freed, the militias took another form: They moved under the white sheets and hoods of the not-so-well-regulated militias of the Ku Klux Klan, burning crosses on the lawns of blacks and of whites who had forgotten who they were: members of a supposedly superior race.
Tough

Brooklyn, NY

#6425 Feb 20, 2013
Clinton- 2016
Cuomo- 2020 or 2024
Booker-2020 or 2024

Please lead the citizen's of America!

Since: Jul 12

Brooklyn, NY

#6426 Feb 20, 2013
The Fonz

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#6427 Feb 20, 2013
Geoff wrote:
<quoted text>
Your grouping of people into liberal/conservative is another reason why folks like you keep losing elections. There is a large group of people in this country that are moderates. But you are told to believe otherwise and therefore anyone that disagrees with you must be a 'Liberal!'.
You don't know what I see or what I think so stop pretending you know what you are talking about.
Until you kids grow up you will continue to fail.
I wouldn't pretend to know what you are talking about, so why do you?
Teddy R

Houston, TX

#6428 Feb 20, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
<quoted text>
Your quotes are meaningless, nothing more than opinions. Read Federalist Paper 29, from which it is clear that the founding fathers meant an organized militia under the direct control of the federal government:
"This desirable uniformity can only be accomplished by confiding the regulation of the militia to the direction of the national authority. It is, therefore, with the most evident propriety, that the plan of the convention proposes to empower the Union "to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, RESERVING TO THE STATES RESPECTIVELY THE APPOINTMENT OF THE OFFICERS, AND THE AUTHORITY OF TRAINING THE MILITIA ACCORDING TO THE DISCIPLINE PRESCRIBED BY CONGRESS."
"Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year."
http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpap...
They absolutely were not talking about an individual right to keep and bear arms, but rather - just as the second amendment says - a well regulated militia. Look up the word "militia".
Yeah - that one was written by Hamilton. If he'd had his way, we'd have had an imperial POTUS and federal government.

The Federalists were just one party among several. Their views in this regard did not prevail.

The Constitution, as Ratified, supersedes this, and the SCOTUS has ruled that the 2A absolutely confers an INDIVIDUAL right to keep & bear arms. This is now the settled and supreme law of the land, whether you, Diane Feinstein, or Alexander Hamilton (bless 'im) like it or not.

Your argument here is therefore null and void.
Just Saying

Mineola, NY

#6429 Feb 20, 2013
Next election I'm voting for ABC - Anybody But Cuomo!
Wloclawek Warrior

Petersburg, VA

#6430 Feb 21, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
I find it interesting and hypocritical that Oprah is embraced by the left because she agrees with them, even though she is a whale, but one of the first criticism of Limbaugh is that he's a fat pig, even though he has lost most of his extra weight.
a DEFLATED BALLOON MAKES THE MOST NOISE
Obskeptic

Wixom, MI

#6431 Feb 21, 2013
Geoff wrote:
<quoted text>
Then stop pretending you were and that you know what they were thinking.
The well-regulated militia of the Second Amendment was a concession to the demands of the slave-holding states whose plantation economies were threatened by slave revolts. Those states insisted on the right to state-regulated militias. Once the slaves were freed, the militias took another form: They moved under the white sheets and hoods of the not-so-well-regulated militias of the Ku Klux Klan, burning crosses on the lawns of blacks and of whites who had forgotten who they were: members of a supposedly superior race.
And to this day democrats still believe they are superior to all others. They are so superior that they believe they alone can determine what parts of our constitution are relevant in todays America. They alone can determine that only some are entitled to the protection of life and liberty.

Since: Jan 13

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#6432 Feb 21, 2013
Geoff wrote:
<quoted text>
Then stop pretending you were and that you know what they were thinking.
The well-regulated militia of the Second Amendment was a concession to the demands of the slave-holding states whose plantation economies were threatened by slave revolts. Those states insisted on the right to state-regulated militias. Once the slaves were freed, the militias took another form: They moved under the white sheets and hoods of the not-so-well-regulated militias of the Ku Klux Klan, burning crosses on the lawns of blacks and of whites who had forgotten who they were: members of a supposedly superior race.
This is a big pile of pasture pudding, did you make it yourself?

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