Herkimer Main Street Evaluation

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Merchant

United States

#1 Mar 13, 2012
The evaluation is nothing new from what has been stated in the past. Stress on the historic end of the street is OK, but it is not going to draw shoppers when you have the box giants in the area to compete with.

The street need incentives for merchants to come back without any risk to see if it is worth it to stay.

Village cannot demand landlords put all sorts of monies into their buildings, but CODES enforcement can make them do something. Landlords only collect rents and do very little to make their properties look good.

Empty storefronts should have advertisements on why one should rent a space. And section 8 tenants need to vacate the street and rent elsewhere to get good tenants who will pay and live there.

To open up stores on the main street leaves very little option as you can get all you need in one store.

The problem is in the one store shop is that you do not get personal service nor quality goods like a smaller shop can. You may pay more, but you will get better product if done correctly.

Stress on USA products as Walmart and others need CHINA and other sweatshop mfgs to make their goods.

Small shops can buy in low volume with quality goods, but the question is what shops should be allowed on main street.

A committee needs to be in place to review new businesses before they actually open and will need a permit before anything is done to open up.

Sample qualifications may be:just as examples

What type of business proposed and who will be the owner(s)
What kind of products and service to be sold
A general business plan to be presented to overview
What sign company will be making the sign for approval
General layout of the store on paper on how it may look
Will you be a local or chain store
Will you be hiring locally full or part time employees
You agree to upkeep the professional look of store

What should be banned:
No hand written signage
Unseen landlords
limit the amount of same shops like head shops and tattoo shops
No loitering and have it enforced
get rid of parking meters and mark tires instead to move traffic

consider more tax revenue that want monies from meters
more shops mean more money the town will collect tax

Enforce codes on the street to the point landlords are forced to upkeep their apartments.

Evict all non paying tenants and residents

Herkimer should fund grants and programs to do all of this.
Red

New York, NY

#2 Mar 13, 2012
Good try there little buddy but we stopped the Nazi's for a reason.
Loop-de-loop

Liverpool, NY

#3 Mar 14, 2012
You raise very good points, however posting your opinion on topix will get you nowhere. Send your thoughts to the Village of Herkimer Trustees at 120 Green Street. If you are a Village resident, they represent you. Also please send a note to the Herkimer Now committee at P.O. Box 446 or an email to info@herkimernow.org.
The merchant knows

United States

#4 Mar 14, 2012
Loop-de-loop wrote:
You raise very good points, however posting your opinion on topix will get you nowhere. Send your thoughts to the Village of Herkimer Trustees at 120 Green Street. If you are a Village resident, they represent you. Also please send a note to the Herkimer Now committee at P.O. Box 446 or an email to info@herkimernow.org.
I would rather stay out of it..you can cut and paste and then send suggestions to the village people.

I am not the one getting paid as they already should have their answers from the thousands spent on the evaluation they could have done themselves.

Show me some money and I would think about it.
The merchant knows

United States

#5 Mar 14, 2012
Red wrote:
Good try there little buddy but we stopped the Nazi's for a reason.
you must be one of those landlords on main street.

A good model to look at is how Saratoga does their monitoring of their merchants.
Loop-de-loop

Liverpool, NY

#6 Mar 14, 2012
More village residents need to send the Trustees constructive criticism, so do it. It costs you a stamp.

The Village spent $1,000 for the study and the rest was paid for with a grant. I think it was $5,500. They are not experts on Main Street revitalization and could not have done this assessment themselves. If they were experts, we would not be dealing with this skid row of a Main Street. They hired an expert. Good for them. I read the report and it was very helpful.
OK then

United States

#7 Mar 14, 2012
very helpful as in WHAT???? If the village wanted then they should have put out a request to merchants who have been there and done that in the past and saved a bunch of money.
The main aspect of the whole thing is to get CODES to enforce the street and have a force that only deals with main street to clean up the buildings.
Have inspections and apply fines when needed to landlords.
Impose fines on the outsides of the slum buildings.
Landlords don't pay then marshal law the properties and put them up for auction to investors who will abide the codes.
Have village fix fronts up and add village expense to the year end taxes to the property owners and force them to either pay or fix up the properties if village don't take them over.
Get the faces cleaned up first and then work on the insides of the properties.
Do not allow windows to be open to view from the street the mess inside vacant buildings.

I can go on and on
Clean up

New York, NY

#8 Mar 14, 2012
Start from the get go by voting out these buffoons on the Village Board and the Mayor. What have any of these clowns done to take any corrective action for Main Street? When it gets to the point where you call in a consultant to tell you what is wrong, it proves decades of closing a blind eye to it.

Vote them out and get people in office who want to take command of this mess and put it back to what it should be.
Remember When

United States

#9 Mar 14, 2012
Years ago on main I remember merchants on north main trying to clean it up themselves and basically were ignored on the whole event for some reason. benches, flowers and sweeping the street clean on their end helped.

I guess the village thought their toes were being stepped on, but they all tried and see where they all are now...OFF THE STREET!

It all comes down to money, but CODES does need to step in and start writing violations and it needs to start from Colis hardware all the way up one side and down the other on North main.

Start from the outside of each building and then inspect each and every one on the street for codes violations.

Give out tickets until fixed with extreme deadlines to have them fixed by or face harsh fines.

South main would be the next end to get fixed.
Clean up

New York, NY

#10 Mar 14, 2012
Codes, HA! If you told someone that didn't know any better we have an actual Codes dept. they'd laugh at you. Seriously. Some of the shit piles and dilapidated structures that have been allowed to fester for years is unbelievable.
the mayor loves you

New York, NY

#11 Mar 14, 2012
I am sure the codes person gets paid. Wonder if he can pension pad like most prob do?

All the landlords are probably buddies with codes especially the slum lords on main who thrive from section 8. List all the landlords utilizing tax dollars to get rich from.
DHB

New York, NY

#12 Mar 14, 2012
Same old, same old.....

You can get all the codes enforcement you want....would not make a bit of difference. Empty buildings are empty buildings regardless of the code and how many millions of little rules you may have.
Business has to be confident that they can make money in that location. Making money means making traffic. The flow of traffic in Herkimer revolves around Rte 5, not Main St. So I am investing in what ?
Circle jerk

New York, NY

#13 Mar 14, 2012
DHB wrote:
Same old, same old.....
You can get all the codes enforcement you want....would not make a bit of difference. Empty buildings are empty buildings regardless of the code and how many millions of little rules you may have.
Business has to be confident that they can make money in that location. Making money means making traffic. The flow of traffic in Herkimer revolves around Rte 5, not Main St. So I am investing in what ?
Lets put a roundabout in the middle of Rt 5 (State St) at the intersection of Main St!!! That ought to generate traffic onto Main Street!

Yes, sarcasm.
packin

Liverpool, NY

#14 Mar 15, 2012
Lowes on the east end of town and Wal mart on the west end of town was the straw that broke the camels back, as far as any hope of reviving Herkimer ! How many small locally owned stores did they put out of business ? But the politicians give these stores huge tax breaks to come here. Why ?? The small locally owned stores can't compete with them when the big stores don't have to worry about paying taxes like the small stores that made Herkimer to begin with.
the one

New York, NY

#15 Mar 15, 2012
It would be a start to try something. Codes do need enforcing by the nit wit who is codes for herkimer. The person must be friends with all the slum lords and is afraid.

I as a merchant would never step foot on the dump of that st.
CORRECT

United States

#16 Mar 15, 2012
packin wrote:
Lowes on the east end of town and Wal mart on the west end of town was the straw that broke the camels back, as far as any hope of reviving Herkimer ! How many small locally owned stores did they put out of business ? But the politicians give these stores huge tax breaks to come here. Why ?? The small locally owned stores can't compete with them when the big stores don't have to worry about paying taxes like the small stores that made Herkimer to begin with.
Unreal they now want to do something with Main when they already ruined the town with box chains and not to mention the wind turbines causing all sorts of issues in Fairfield and surrounding areas.

It all comes down to money period.

Herkimer could have been a town like Clinton which stresses on local small town business. Why would someone want to come to Herkimer in the first place? To shop on main street? That is a funny one at the moment.

If the Village had specialty shops on main and never had the box stores then people would have come from all over to shop local specialty shops. I live in Herkimer and travel to Clinton, Cooperstown or even Saratoga to shop and walk around as a tourist..and if you notice..neither of those areas have big box chains.

Name ten businesses that could start on main and then ask yourself, "Can I get that at Wal MArt or Lowes"? K-mart I could deal with but enough is enough.
get a clue

New York, NY

#18 Mar 15, 2012
CORRECT wrote:
<quoted text>Unreal they now want to do something with Main when they already ruined the town with box chains and not to mention the wind turbines causing all sorts of issues in Fairfield and surrounding areas.
The wind turbines have cause no problems at all except for a few disgruntled rednecks who didn't cash in.
Dave

United States

#19 Mar 15, 2012
CORRECT wrote:
<quoted text> I live in Herkimer and travel to Clinton, Cooperstown or even Saratoga to shop and walk around as a tourist..and if you notice..neither of those areas have big box chains.
Not True, Saratoga has 2 malls and all kinds of big chain stores. The mall is less than a mile from Broadway(center of town). However regardless you cant compare Herkimer to either Cooperstown or Saratoga. They are tourist places where people go for the attractions, not just shopping. They go to Saratoga for the track, concerts, the Lake, etc... Cooperstown...the Hall of Fame, The field, The lake etc.... Herkimer has nothing but lots of inner ciuty spook trash who walk down the middle of the road and knock up scummy fat white trash girls.
The best way to clean up the town is to move Social Services out of Herkimer and get rid of the black college kids.
www herkimernow org

New York, NY

#20 Mar 15, 2012
CORRECT wrote:
<quoted text>Unreal they now want to do something with Main when they already ruined the town with box chains and not to mention the wind turbines causing all sorts of issues in Fairfield and surrounding areas.
It all comes down to money period.
Herkimer could have been a town like Clinton which stresses on local small town business. Why would someone want to come to Herkimer in the first place? To shop on main street? That is a funny one at the moment.
If the Village had specialty shops on main and never had the box stores then people would have come from all over to shop local specialty shops. I live in Herkimer and travel to Clinton, Cooperstown or even Saratoga to shop and walk around as a tourist..and if you notice..neither of those areas have big box chains.
Name ten businesses that could start on main and then ask yourself, "Can I get that at Wal MArt or Lowes"? K-mart I could deal with but enough is enough.
what the F are you talking about? Sangertown Square is less than 5 miles from downtown Clinton. There's a Walmart less than 3 miles from downtown Saratoga Springs. you're peeing up the wrong tree, dawg.

What Herkimer's Main Street DOES have, and which is lacking in Clinton Saratoga and Cooperstown, is a pronounced welfare culture and preponderance of residents on public assistance.

what cannot be said in the rose-colored news reports or in Theresa Lynch's report is the unfortunate fact that Main Street has been overtaken slowly but surely over the past 10-20 years by trashy people; that's why the dominant businesses on the street are second hand stores and tattoo parlors.

the skeevy "culture" that prevails on Main Street deters many respectable residents from making it a destination (much less consider living there). and if shoppers aren't going to come, neither are businesses. Catch 22, vicious circle.

the realistic members of my organization, www.herkimernow.org , recognize the welfare culture "problem" is intractable. it cannot be solved -- not by codes enforcement, not by nothing.(though codes could provide some mitigation).

we can only continue to "put lipstick on the pig" with cosmetic touchups i.e. paint jobs and sweeping days.

of course, our village leaders do virtually nothing to contibute, REMOVING public trash cans from Main Street so that litter accumulates in embarassing quantities and persisting with those anachronistic parking meters, which are illegal.

i would like to say that it was a distinct pleasure to work with Theresa Lynch -- a true professional. however, it was clear that she recognized the unique nature of Main St.'s "problem" and that a genuine solution and genuine improvement is likely to remain a pipe dream for many, many years to come.
Clean up

New York, NY

#21 Mar 15, 2012
www herkimernow org wrote:
<quoted text>

What Herkimer's Main Street DOES have, and which is lacking in Clinton Saratoga and Cooperstown, is a pronounced welfare culture and preponderance of residents on public assistance.
what cannot be said in the rose-colored news reports or in Theresa Lynch's report is the unfortunate fact that Main Street has been overtaken slowly but surely over the past 10-20 years by trashy people; that's why the dominant businesses on the street are second hand stores and tattoo parlors.
And who's fault is it for letting Main Street fester into what it is now? Lax leadership in the Village.

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