created by: nimmy | Dec 7, 2010

Herkimer, NY

220 votes

Should downtown have parking meters?

Click on an option to vote

  • Yes
  • No
Comments
1 - 20 of 45 Comments Last updated Jun 20, 2013
First Prev
of 3
Next Last
nimmy

Saranac Lake, NY

#1 Dec 7, 2010
Well the morons who run the village of Herkimer are looking to reinstitute those ridiculous parking meters across the um "downtown."

You know, the meters that will take a NICKEL and scream out to people,

“We’re a podunk bass-ackwards penny-pinching little joke of a village that’s going to charge you 5 or 10 cents to park on the street to patronize the handful of remaining viable businesses in our economically devastated butt-ugly downtown even though there are dozens of empty parking spaces in front of the dilapidated storefronts and boarded up buildings and low rent junk stores and and pedophile tenements and even though most of the people who visit Main Street are parole officers and drug dealers.”

Herkimer village considering parking meter upgrade

By Stephanie Sorrell-White
The Telegram
Posted Dec 06, 2010 @ 10:00 PM

Herkimer, N.Y.— An upgrade may be coming to village parking meters.

Members of the Herkimer Village Board of Trustees met Friday afternoon to speak with a sales representative from Municipal Supply Sales Company to learn more about electronic meters.

Mayor Mark Ainsworth said in a telephone interview Monday the meters would be installed with a mechanism that would show a green light if the meter is set, a red light if it is not and a yellow light if there is a problem with the meter.

“It would have the same meter heads we have, but the insides would be different,” said Ainsworth.

According to Municipal Supply’s website, the APM electronic parking meter system made by POM includes Metermanager software.

Estimates for the mechanisms to be installed are $20 a meter. The village had to review how to replace 43 meters destroyed in January, where estimates to replace them have run up towards $86,000, or $2,000 per meter.

“Dealing with these mechanisms is not very expensive at all,” said Ainsworth.

Another option the board is looking at would be using Smart Cards. This would be like a pre-paid card that can be used in the meter and credit the person for as long as they use the meter. The costs for Smart Cards was not available, but Ainsworth said they did cost more than the mechanisms.

“If we do this upgrade, it would be all the meters,” said Ainsworth.“The Smart Cards would be around the areas people park the most.”

In 2008-09 fiscal year, the village collected nearly $36,300 from money deposited in meters and another $5,420 from parking tickets.

Ainsworth said he did not know exactly how old the meters were, but said “they’re old.” No action was taken at the meeting. Ainsworth said further discussion on the meters will be held at the board’s Dec. 13 regular meeting.
nimmy

Saranac Lake, NY

#2 Dec 7, 2010
are parking meters even legal in Herkimer -- i.e., would they withstand a court challenge?

Says the Wikipedia entry on parking meters,

"Parking meters have been challenged in court many times, but are considered legal if the parking meters are used for purposes of parking regulation and not for revenue purposes."

Well clearly parking meters in Herkimer do not serve a purpose of "parking regulation."

There is more than ample parking anywhere, anytime in downtown, except maybe a special event like Crazy Otto making the World's Largest Omelette.

Ergo, it is clear Herkimer's intent with parking meters is shameless revenue generation, at the expense of downtown businesses and citizens already discouraged by the absurdity of paying 5 cents to park on a street with two dozen open spots up and down.
Village idiots

New York, NY

#3 Dec 7, 2010
the meters are not worth what little revenue they generate.
Valley Guy

Potsdam, NY

#4 Dec 7, 2010
If they ever sat down and figured out what it cost in man hours that they pay all village employees involved they would see they are loosing money having parking meters...
www herkimernow org

Saranac Lake, NY

#5 Dec 7, 2010
When those kids busted up those meters, it was a sign from God that we shouldn’t have them ... wink wink.

They are a relic of bygone days when downtown Herkimer was busy enough that it made sense to regulate parking – so that people who wanted to shop at Munger’s Grants Rudy's F.W. Woolworth’s & etc., could find a place to park, because motorists were not hogging free parking.

Now they are just an embarrassment, an anachronism on Apocalypse Ave., the sort of thing that makes a visitor shake his head and chuckle at the stupidity … expecially the “nickel” OMG that is simply preposterous.

Plus as noted they wouldn’t even stand up in court if someone sued, to challenge their legality, because their purpose is not “parking regulation”– it is “revenue generation.”

As a volunteer with the Herkimer Now Main Street Revitalization Committe I speak for many in objections to this half-baked plan.

If you want to better promote downtown, then make it inviting for people to visit, don’t deter them. Though, that is a moot point as downtown Herkimer is perhaps beyond salvation, is how bad it is.

If you want to promote downtown, keep the public trash cans out in the winter, so Main Street doesn’t look like a landfill and a sewer. And plant some better more attractive trees for God’s sake, which we at Herkimer Now plan to do next Spring.
KEEP THE METERS

Constableville, NY

#8 Dec 7, 2010
I wish you people would think before you write. If it weren't for the meters and the parking tickets you get if your car is parked at an expired meter, the parking spaces would be used as parking lots by the people who live in the apartments on main street. You would always see the same cars parked, and the people who go to Collis Hardware, Salvatore's, Napa, Bailey's Karate, and the other businesses on main street would have nowhere to park. Then these businesses would have to move to locations with parking areas, and Main Street would be even worse! Is that what you want? Parking meters keep Main Street from getting worse, believe it or not. Annoying as parking meters are, think of what would happen if they are removed. No more available parking on main street. Now I know people go to main street even if they say it has gone downhill, otherwise they would not care whether or not there are parking meters there. So stop complaining and be happy they are there. Everyone likes to complain without thinking. The mayor is correct in keeping or upgrading the parking meters.
another moron

Little Falls, NY

#9 Dec 7, 2010
KEEP THE METERS wrote:
I wish you people would think before you write. If it weren't for the meters and the parking tickets you get if your car is parked at an expired meter, the parking spaces would be used as parking lots by the people who live in the apartments on main street. You would always see the same cars parked, and the people who go to Collis Hardware, Salvatore's, Napa, Bailey's Karate, and the other businesses on main street would have nowhere to park. Then these businesses would have to move to locations with parking areas, and Main Street would be even worse! Is that what you want? Parking meters keep Main Street from getting worse, believe it or not. Annoying as parking meters are, think of what would happen if they are removed. No more available parking on main street. Now I know people go to main street even if they say it has gone downhill, otherwise they would not care whether or not there are parking meters there. So stop complaining and be happy they are there. Everyone likes to complain without thinking. The mayor is correct in keeping or upgrading the parking meters.
maybe you should take your own advice and think before you post. those people you speak of, they already do use those parking spaces like a parking lot.
KEEP THE METERS

Constableville, NY

#11 Dec 7, 2010
another moron: it would be even worse then.
nimmy

Saranac Lake, NY

#12 Dec 7, 2010
KEEP THE METERS wrote:
I wish you people would think before you write. If it weren't for the meters and the parking tickets you get if your car is parked at an expired meter, the parking spaces would be used as parking lots by the people who live in the apartments on main street. You would always see the same cars parked, and the people who go to Collis Hardware, Salvatore's, Napa, Bailey's Karate, and the other businesses on main street would have nowhere to park. Then these businesses would have to move to locations with parking areas, and Main Street would be even worse! Is that what you want? Parking meters keep Main Street from getting worse, believe it or not. Annoying as parking meters are, think of what would happen if they are removed. No more available parking on main street. Now I know people go to main street even if they say it has gone downhill, otherwise they would not care whether or not there are parking meters there. So stop complaining and be happy they are there. Everyone likes to complain without thinking. The mayor is correct in keeping or upgrading the parking meters.
i didn't think that it was necessary to explain the obvious, but evidently it is, given the asstard reply above.

um & duh, you do what albany and other sensible places do, and that is limit the maximum parking time in one space ... IF parking proves problematic. What would be effective, two hours, three hours? The cops can ticket the offenders.

Which village board member are you, BTW?

Please -- get a freaking clue if you are going to represent us Herkimer residents and stop sniffing the mayor's undies!

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#13 Dec 8, 2010
KEEP THE METERS wrote:
I wish you people would think before you write. If it weren't for the meters and the parking tickets you get if your car is parked at an expired meter, the parking spaces would be used as parking lots by the people who live in the apartments on main street. You would always see the same cars parked, and the people who go to Collis Hardware, Salvatore's, Napa, Bailey's Karate, and the other businesses on main street would have nowhere to park. Then these businesses would have to move to locations with parking areas, and Main Street would be even worse! Is that what you want? Parking meters keep Main Street from getting worse, believe it or not. Annoying as parking meters are, think of what would happen if they are removed. No more available parking on main street. Now I know people go to main street even if they say it has gone downhill, otherwise they would not care whether or not there are parking meters there. So stop complaining and be happy they are there. Everyone likes to complain without thinking. The mayor is correct in keeping or upgrading the parking meters.
i think at last count, only 3 scumbags on main st, own a car
wannabe

Salt Lake City, UT

#14 Dec 8, 2010
calmn cents wrote:
<quoted text>
i think at last count, only 3 scumbags on main st, own a car
so which car is yours?
Reporter HK

Tully, NY

#16 Dec 8, 2010
You need to be exposed and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law because you're such an azz-hole
Main Drag

United States

#18 Dec 8, 2010
As a business owner on Main st. i can tell you first hand that the biggest complaint I hear from my customers is the need to worry about having change on hand to pay the meters and worry about their time running out. I have had people literally run out the door when they see an officer walk by our store to check their meters. I have lost customers because of this nuisance and it is a daily conversation in our building about the meters. i have witnessed officers write a ticket for an expired meter when there were 4 other empty spots surrounding the car. This is not for regulating parking! As soon as my lease is up in 6 months I already have plans to move to a new location
fact is

Little Falls, NY

#19 Dec 8, 2010
Main Drag wrote:
As a business owner on Main st. i can tell you first hand that the biggest complaint I hear from my customers is the need to worry about having change on hand to pay the meters and worry about their time running out. I have had people literally run out the door when they see an officer walk by our store to check their meters. I have lost customers because of this nuisance and it is a daily conversation in our building about the meters. i have witnessed officers write a ticket for an expired meter when there were 4 other empty spots surrounding the car. This is not for regulating parking! As soon as my lease is up in 6 months I already have plans to move to a new location
exactly. the meters are more of a hinderance than the revenues they generate and the nuisances they are meant to deter.

this village can't bother even enforcing the nuissance ordinance they passed a few years ago so why are they worried about parking violations? Its no wonder the village is still stuck in the 1950's
Main Drag

United States

#20 Dec 8, 2010
As far as the residents of Main St taking up the parking spots, I dont see it. there are apartments above my business and those tenants have their own parking in the back of the building, just like several other buildings near me. Also many of the tenents I see dont even have vehicles. The police "patrol" Main St during the hours of 10 and 2 pm. Do you ever see any crime during this time? Its after 5,6, and 7pm that the hoodlums are roaming the streets and blasting their music, yelling, and swearing yet not a single cop on Main St. Dont forget people....you dont have to feed the meters during the month of december! so if you are on Main st this month......dont feed the meters!!
nimmy

Saranac Lake, NY

#21 Dec 9, 2010
Main Drag wrote:
As a business owner on Main st. i can tell you first hand that the biggest complaint I hear from my customers is the need to worry about having change on hand to pay the meters and worry about their time running out. I have had people literally run out the door when they see an officer walk by our store to check their meters. I have lost customers because of this nuisance and it is a daily conversation in our building about the meters. i have witnessed officers write a ticket for an expired meter when there were 4 other empty spots surrounding the car. This is not for regulating parking! As soon as my lease is up in 6 months I already have plans to move to a new location
Great post, thank you.

I hope Ainsworth and the crew is reading this.
450 pounds of LOVE

Saranac Lake, NY

#22 Dec 11, 2010
Is this why the Tanning Salon closed, because of too many parking meters? It is Silly to have meters when there are all sorts of places to Park! I do not drive but I do go to the Library and one time when we had a seminar there, it went longer than expected and people in the Library were ticketed by the Police! This is no way to build a Vibrant and Dynamic Downtown!

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#23 Dec 11, 2010
450 pounds of LOVE wrote:
Is this why the Tanning Salon closed, because of too many parking meters? It is Silly to have meters when there are all sorts of places to Park! I do not drive but I do go to the Library and one time when we had a seminar there, it went longer than expected and people in the Library were ticketed by the Police! This is no way to build a Vibrant and Dynamic Downtown!
well at least you don't have to worry about any of this, you can't fit in a car or a tanning booth. ha! merry christmas.
Woodpecker

Central Square, NY

#24 Dec 11, 2010
I don't visit Main Street businesses because of the nuisance of the meters.
Don

Saranac Lake, NY

#26 Dec 13, 2010
I know this - the Duncan parking meters can be replaced by similar refurbished units for around $275.00 each. Google it. I know there is revenue generated but at what cost? The challange of clearing up snow around all those little poles rather than a quick swipe comes into play as well, along with the cost of someone doing the collection. As far as tenants parking on Main Street, looks to me like most don't have cars anyway. I find it pathetic to have to pay a quarter to stop at DMV on Mary Street to pay for a car registration or plate. It's a government facility, and Herkimer is collecting my money and I have to pay to park so the state can get my money?

Tell me when this thread is updated: (Registration is not required)

Add to my Tracker Send me an email

First Prev
of 3
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Herkimer Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
NY New York Primary Election Sept 14: Will you vote? (Sep '10) 24 min Nina 16,779
Edwards or Carbone for Town Clerk 13 hr oh boy 46
babysitter 15 hr herkimer 10
WHAT'S will all the POLICE PRESENCE on GERMAN S... 20 hr DRAGNET 3
Adult Pleasures in Little Falls (Feb '10) Thu gross 14
Hmmmmmmm Bonos wedding post deleted Thu Karen who 20
beacon center (Nov '12) Wed Sad 140
•••
•••
•••

Herkimer Jobs

•••
Enter and win $5000
•••
•••

Herkimer People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

•••

Herkimer News, Events & Info

Click for news, events and info in Herkimer
•••

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]
•••