Merger, food for thought

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JustAsking

Little Falls, NY

#1 Aug 27, 2013
All I keep hearing is how badly Herkimer is Scrw'd because they didn't Merge. I here of how bad our rankings are. I hear how we will have less opportunities. I hear how we will be cutting staff. I hear all this negative input. I just have one question. If the newly formed district has kept all the OLD educators on who are failing our children through your own admission. How do you move forward with all these new opportunities being taught by the same terrible Educators? How do you raise the test scores by keeping all bad apples on staff? If our scores are indeed this poor, we clearly need to change staff. This problem won't be solved by throwing money at the same old people who failed us in the first place.
Costmo

Cortland, NY

#2 Aug 27, 2013
JustAsking wrote:
All I keep hearing is how badly Herkimer is Scrw'd because they didn't Merge. I here of how bad our rankings are. I hear how we will have less opportunities. I hear how we will be cutting staff. I hear all this negative input. I just have one question. If the newly formed district has kept all the OLD educators on who are failing our children through your own admission. How do you move forward with all these new opportunities being taught by the same terrible Educators? How do you raise the test scores by keeping all bad apples on staff? If our scores are indeed this poor, we clearly need to change staff. This problem won't be solved by throwing money at the same old people who failed us in the first place.
Preach, my brother!
RIT reading is tough

Stephentown, NY

#3 Aug 27, 2013
JustAsking wrote:
All I keep hearing is how badly Herkimer is Scrw'd because they didn't Merge. I here of how bad our rankings are. I hear how we will have less opportunities. I hear how we will be cutting staff. I hear all this negative input. I just have one question. If the newly formed district has kept all the OLD educators on who are failing our children through your own admission. How do you move forward with all these new opportunities being taught by the same terrible Educators? How do you raise the test scores by keeping all bad apples on staff? If our scores are indeed this poor, we clearly need to change staff. This problem won't be solved by throwing money at the same old people who failed us in the first place.
The money is giving the district a chance.

To keep all of the same ol' teachers and make cuts like this year isn't the answer. Not providing the same opportunities as last year isn't the answer.

You do it your way and try to solve the problem broke. If you figure it out we'll copy you. But in the meantime our kids will not lack educational opportunities.
inch by inch

Syracuse, NY

#4 Aug 27, 2013
You can see several examples of how this merger was poorly thought out and even more poorly executed. If you take something as easy as the sports programs...already you have a merged school district looking to consume public park space in Mohawk because "they don't have enough room" and "because we don't have the money to bus kids."

On top of that, yes JustAsking, you make a great point. Dump all these old worthless teachers and their old ways who are costing us 85k a piece, and hire recently educated, hungry young teachers with fresh approaches and more current ways.

GET IT TOGETHER SCHOOL !!
RIT reading is tough

Stephentown, NY

#5 Aug 27, 2013
inch by inch wrote:
You can see several examples of how this merger was poorly thought out and even more poorly executed. If you take something as easy as the sports programs...already you have a merged school district looking to consume public park space in Mohawk because "they don't have enough room" and "because we don't have the money to bus kids."
On top of that, yes JustAsking, you make a great point. Dump all these old worthless teachers and their old ways who are costing us 85k a piece, and hire recently educated, hungry young teachers with fresh approaches and more current ways.
GET IT TOGETHER SCHOOL !!
When didn't we have a parking problem at sporting events?

And not enough money to bus our kids where?
Not Quite

Brooklyn, NY

#6 Aug 27, 2013
inch by inch wrote:
You can see several examples of how this merger was poorly thought out and even more poorly executed. If you take something as easy as the sports programs...already you have a merged school district looking to consume public park space in Mohawk because "they don't have enough room" and "because we don't have the money to bus kids."
On top of that, yes JustAsking, you make a great point. Dump all these old worthless teachers and their old ways who are costing us 85k a piece, and hire recently educated, hungry young teachers with fresh approaches and more current ways.
GET IT TOGETHER SCHOOL !!
There is few hiccups, but it's not just because of the merger.
1) Mohawk's school district has always used Well Park for certain practices.
2) The district has more kids participate in fall sports this year, neither district had JV soccer (boys & girls) or football last year.
3) The new school district (and Ilion's old one) over the last several years has maintain the village fields, and they each try to work together over sharing fields with the community programs and the school's.
4) The flood has eliminated 2 of Mohawk's Ayso soccer fields.
5) The new district has projects going on a couple of their fields, they should be done before school starts.
6) Why wouldn't the district try to be fiscally responsible and not bus the modified kids over to Ilion and try to find space for them in Mohawk?
LMAO

Little Falls, NY

#7 Aug 27, 2013
RIT reading is tough wrote:
<quoted text>
The money is giving the district a chance.
To keep all of the same ol' teachers and make cuts like this year isn't the answer. Not providing the same opportunities as last year isn't the answer.
You do it your way and try to solve the problem broke. If you figure it out we'll copy you. But in the meantime our kids will not lack educational opportunities.
Yeah, for all the Phi Beta Kappa's you have over there. That gene pool is so contaminated there isn't enough chlorine to sanitize it. Keep bragging about Opportunities. The only Opportunity that has presented itself if for administration and educators to increase their salaries.
DHB

Herkimer, NY

#8 Aug 27, 2013
JustAsking wrote:
All I keep hearing is how badly Herkimer is Scrw'd because they didn't Merge. I here of how bad our rankings are. I hear how we will have less opportunities. I hear how we will be cutting staff. I hear all this negative input. I just have one question. If the newly formed district has kept all the OLD educators on who are failing our children through your own admission. How do you move forward with all these new opportunities being taught by the same terrible Educators? How do you raise the test scores by keeping all bad apples on staff? If our scores are indeed this poor, we clearly need to change staff. This problem won't be solved by throwing money at the same old people who failed us in the first place.
Huh ? Who said you needed to replace the whole system in order for it to be successful ? Organizations go from bad to good all the time with the right structural changes without replacing the entire workforce, just a few key ones in the right places. Heard of Apple ? US Steel ? Waste Management ? IBM ? Sports teams and schools make the same turnarounds.

Your school's academic record is not a figment of anyone's imagination. You can find it on line. That's the problem. It is right there in black and white with comparisons to other districts. It appears Ilion and Mohawk had an uptick in their recent performances. Not so for Herkimer.
surmise definition

Stephentown, NY

#9 Aug 27, 2013
LMAO wrote:
<quoted text> Yeah, for all the Phi Beta Kappa's you have over there. That gene pool is so contaminated there isn't enough chlorine to sanitize it. Keep bragging about Opportunities. The only Opportunity that has presented itself if for administration and educators to increase their salaries.
Guess what Phi Beta Crappa, you're dead wrong. Incentive dollars will not be wasted on increasing salaries. Increases, if any, will be nominal and proportional.

You stated your belief and I stated mine. When the teachers contracts are re-negotiated lets revisit this and you can tell me how wrong I am.
Mayor of Shark City

New York, NY

#10 Aug 29, 2013
I admire your optimism that the teachers' contracts are going to be renegotiated anytime soon. Mohawk teachers are going to work for less pay for as long as the merged district can get away with it.

Since: Apr 09

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#11 Aug 29, 2013
Mayor of Shark City wrote:
I admire your optimism that the teachers' contracts are going to be renegotiated anytime soon. Mohawk teachers are going to work for less pay for as long as the merged district can get away with it.
We voted to merge.

Is that why we merged, to get the Mohawk teachers a raise? Is that why the Mohawk teachers were for the merger, to get a raise?

Mohawk teachers were ok with their income last year knowing Ilion's teachers had a different contract. But not this year?

We voted to MERGE. We didn't vote for Mohawk to hire Ilion teachers and we didn't vote for Ilion to hire Mohawk teachers.

We do need one contract....SO LET'S start new. Let's toss out both contracts.

We voted to merge.
Stingray

Syracuse, NY

#12 Aug 29, 2013
Mayor of Shark City wrote:
I admire your optimism that the teachers' contracts are going to be renegotiated anytime soon. Mohawk teachers are going to work for less pay for as long as the merged district can get away with it.
Then if I were a Mohawk teacher I'd make sure CVA follows my current contract (that is the rule until a new one is in place I believe). There have got to be things in their contract besides money that are a better deal than what the Ilion teachers have. They really should just settle it so they can move forward.
no question

New York, NY

#13 Aug 29, 2013
USEurHEAD wrote:
<quoted text>
We voted to merge.
Is that why we merged, to get the Mohawk teachers a raise? Is that why the Mohawk teachers were for the merger, to get a raise?
Mohawk teachers were ok with their income last year knowing Ilion's teachers had a different contract. But not this year?
We voted to MERGE. We didn't vote for Mohawk to hire Ilion teachers and we didn't vote for Ilion to hire Mohawk teachers.
We do need one contract....SO LET'S start new. Let's toss out both contracts.
We voted to merge.
I agree, incentive dollars should not be wasted on increasing salaries. Teachers should move forward from here. Look at Herkimer and Frankfort doing the ol'cut&slash, be happy your still here. Whether it's one contract or two any increase in salaries should be nominal and proportional.
no question

New York, NY

#14 Aug 29, 2013
Stingray wrote:
<quoted text>
Then if I were a Mohawk teacher I'd make sure CVA follows my current contract (that is the rule until a new one is in place I believe). There have got to be things in their contract besides money that are a better deal than what the Ilion teachers have. They really should just settle it so they can move forward.
Mohawk's medical is stronger and it carries on into their retirement.

All info starts on pg. 30
http://ilion.neric.org/DistrictNews/1213/TwoS...
did we merge 4 teachers

New York, NY

#15 Aug 30, 2013
Mayor of Shark City wrote:
I admire your optimism that the teachers' contracts are going to be renegotiated anytime soon. Mohawk teachers are going to work for less pay for as long as the merged district can get away with it.
The teachers from both schools have been on board with their contracts, no mass exodus from either district. Ilion's teacher contract has a higher pay scale. Mohawks contract has better health care benefits. Should we combine the contracts giving Mohawk a higher pay and Ilion the more expensive health care??? WAS THIS MERGER INTENDED AS A CHRISTMAS PRESENT FOR THE TEACHERS???

Keep all contracts, grandfather everyone in and give everyone the same from here on out.

The real decision is with the new-hires.

And here's an idea.
Take a portion of the ridiculous money NOT gifted to the teachers and add bus runs.
oh yeah

Stephentown, NY

#16 Sep 1, 2013
did we merge 4 teachers wrote:
<quoted text>
The teachers from both schools have been on board with their contracts, no mass exodus from either district. Ilion's teacher contract has a higher pay scale. Mohawks contract has better health care benefits. Should we combine the contracts giving Mohawk a higher pay and Ilion the more expensive health care??? WAS THIS MERGER INTENDED AS A CHRISTMAS PRESENT FOR THE TEACHERS???
Keep all contracts, grandfather everyone in and give everyone the same from here on out.
The real decision is with the new-hires.
And here's an idea.
Take a portion of the ridiculous money NOT gifted to the teachers and add bus runs.
That works.

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