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Military-type training grounds is locked and loaded - The Park Record

There are 11 comments on the Park Record story from Aug 17, 2010, titled Military-type training grounds is locked and loaded - The Park Record. In it, Park Record reports that:

A proposal to build a training facility for military contractors is drawing fire from some residents in the Coalville area after a similar development application was denied this month in Duchesne County.

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Therightway

Salt Lake City, UT

#1 Aug 17, 2010
This training well be suitable for many traveler that travel out side of the United States and with in. There is nothing wrong with being safe and knowing how to be safe.
Intellius

Kamas, UT

#2 Aug 18, 2010
Echo is one of the most beautiful places in Utah. Sawmill Canyon is located in those redrock mountains behind Echo. It is agriculturally zoned and adjacent to DWR land. It includes a major wildlife migration area that is critical wintering grounds for deer and elk. The families that own property in these mountains have used this land for years for recreation, horsebackriding, hunting, and camping. The views are spectacular, the red rocks are incredible monuments, and there are trees and vegetation at risk of fire. There are only dirt roads throughout the area, making emergency access difficult in the event of fire. CHAMTECH is a private two-man for-profit agency formed this year (2010) from Draper, and is proposing to do tactical military training, including sniper training, a gun range, ATV maneuvering across rugged landscape, survivalist training, etc. Paramilitary training is not defined anywhere in the Eastern Summit County Land Use code, and it is not compatible with land use in this area. Imagine going mountain biking, camping, hunting, or horsebacking up around this canyon with your family, kids, friends, ranchers, etc, knowing that the smell of ammunition, ATVs, and dust peaking over the hillside is from training a private SWAT team?? What's not to love about that? The facility plans to camp its clients on the parcel and eat hydrated food packs. Weigh the amount of money generated to community from this facility against wildlife disruption, the threat of fire from live shooting and ATVs, contamination from range bullets, and infringing on individual rights to enjoy their land without worrying about all the other risks involved with this para-military training camp. CHAMTECH has no military or government contracts, and it is making its curriculum available to private individuals. CHAMTECH has never actually done a training facility before. So it may be something that people want, but because of its impact, this area of Summit County isn't the right place for it.

Since: Jan 10

South Jordan, UT

#3 Aug 24, 2010
What could possibly be a "legitimate purpose" for this kind of training facility?
Myself

Salt Lake City, UT

#4 Aug 24, 2010
REAL PC Taxpayer wrote:
What could possibly be a "legitimate purpose" for this kind of training facility?
I have a policy that rarely leads me astray: If anyone with the last name Woolstenhulme is for it, then I am against it, and vice versa. It never fails.

To answer your question, the legitimate purpose is to annoy one of the many Woolstenhulmes in our midst.
T MATT

Minnetonka, MN

#5 Aug 25, 2010
I tell you what, from seeing the legitimate comments and concerns on this page. This training is not needed at all, heck lets let the commentators protect our freedom and rights, makes since to me. My goodness, what is wrong with you people, yes have your comments and concerns but make since out of it.

Since: Jan 10

South Jordan, UT

#6 Aug 28, 2010
The ChamTech site provides no information about the two owners or their qualifications. but it does contain a priceless description of one of the "services" offered:

"Socializing and Dinner Etiquette course for those rough around the edges personnel."

I did not make this up. Check it out for yourselves: www.chamtechops.com
Mercenaries

Heber City, UT

#7 Aug 28, 2010
This is a proposal for a mercenary training camp. Mercenaries have a long-held, well-deserved reputation for being murderous psychopaths, whose "profession" is that of paid asassins.
Why would Coalville want to invite psychos, who have chosen a lifestyle of murder, into their neighborhood?
These freaks are not "defending" nor "protecting" anyone. They kill anything in their way, in exchange for a dirty paycheck.
Tell these killers to go away.
rambeau

South Jordan, UT

#8 Aug 30, 2010
I'm ready! I just bought a 50 caliber sniper rifle and an AR-15. Just need to know how to shoot 'em. Is it true you point the long skinny end towards the bad guys? Anyway, can't wait to get all that figured out. For some reason the Army wouldn't take me and the police academy quit taking my calls...

Since: Jan 10

South Jordan, UT

#9 Aug 31, 2010
This just keeps getting better. The co-owner, Anthony Sutera, and his girlfriend also design and sell pink suitcases made of "military grade annodized (sic) aluminum)" that is "equipped with an especially designed ribbon system to elegantly house and protect your stiletto heels" ( http://raffonedesign.com/home.html ). But not knowing how to spell "anodized" - or how to use SpellCheck, for that matter - is so minor compared to the other ridiculous things about these people and their pretensions. For anyone who cares, Sutera and his girlfriend are planning to wed; if you want to buy them a present, they are registered at JCPenney - naturally.
What a joke

Heber City, UT

#10 Aug 31, 2010
REAL PC Taxpayer wrote:
This just keeps getting better. The co-owner, Anthony Sutera, and his girlfriend also design and sell pink suitcases made of "military grade annodized (sic) aluminum)" that is "equipped with an especially designed ribbon system to elegantly house and protect your stiletto heels" ( http://raffonedesign.com/home.html ). But not knowing how to spell "anodized" - or how to use SpellCheck, for that matter - is so minor compared to the other ridiculous things about these people and their pretensions. For anyone who cares, Sutera and his girlfriend are planning to wed; if you want to buy them a present, they are registered at JCPenney - naturally.
Nice work PCT. It is blatantly obvious that this "company" is a fantasy startup with zero credibility, experience, or prospects. I love the "products link" where they think they are selling this hi-tech stuff with just a fuzzy picture, two-sentence description, and then a "Buy Now" button. The website is amateur in every way. Obviously a Utah County dreamer with delusions about running a such a company. County might as well approve if there are at least permit fees, etc they they MIGHT get paid, as this outfit will NEVER get off the ground. HI-FREAKING-LARIOUS!!!!
What a joke

Heber City, UT

#11 Aug 31, 2010
Therightway wrote:
This training well be suitable for many traveler that travel out side of the United States and with in. There is nothing wrong with being safe and knowing how to be safe.
Based on the website, I'm thinking the above post was written by one of the dreaming "owners" of this non-company.

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