OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, Sta...

OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 11, 2010

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duh

Broken Bow, OK

#34407 Nov 25, 2012
DustyOutlaw wrote:
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Are you on crack?
you didn't watch first election and I didn't watch the second election
duh

Broken Bow, OK

#34408 Nov 25, 2012
Somebody didn't check the NY times out to night

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#34409 Nov 25, 2012
River Rat wrote:
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DustyOutlaw, the record speaks for itself, Clinton had a Republican house and Republican senate. How does Clinton get the credit if he doesn't write the bills? And, Bush had a Democratic house and Democratic senate. How does Bush get the blame if he doesn't write the bills? Some people should pay more attention to facts instead listening to rumors and lies instead of the truth.
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>>>. How does Clinton get the credit if he doesn't write the bills<<<

Easy. He took his issues to the people who in turn pressured Congress to support them. It is why the Republicans tried to discredit Clinton so he wouldn't have influence with the public and thus would not have the publics support for legislation he wanted. It didn't work. The entire GOP attempt to discredit Clinton and make him untrustworthy backfired on the Republicans.

GOP had best lawyers money can buy and they couldn't snare Willie boy. He made fools of them.

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#34410 Nov 26, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Explain what you mean when you say "A Health care system would completely take away the burden companies have now to supply or subsuze the health insurance for their employees." Can you show me where you got your information intaking the burden off the employer to furnish the employees health insurance. In alot of cases the employer pays 80% and the employee pays 20% of the health insurance premium. What I understand the employer will be forced to pay for the employee 100% of their ins. premium. I just would be interested in reading source of your information.
Tamara,

My source is my common sense. The whole entire purpose of any health care system is to make health care insurance affordable and legally the responsibility of the individual. I live in the Dutch health care system, which is what Obama said he used to model his health care plan. Companies here do not pay and have no reason to pay or subsidize health insurance for their workers, because every individual here has to pay their own insurance.(people taking responsibility for themselves) Lower income families here get their health insurance subsidized by the government. Companies pay NOTHING.
Do YOU have information on Obama's healthcare plan that states otherwise?? Then I would be interested in seeing that because it makes no sense to me that companies would have to DOUBLE insure their workers.

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#34411 Nov 26, 2012
Proud to be Conservative wrote:
The mandate in obamacare isn't going to be so fine and dandy when you can't get the health care you need and have to go to jail for not paying for this insurance and Americans will be paying out the bazongas for this 'free health care for all' that is not free but, is a Control Bill and health care will be rationed. You will not get the health care you or your family really need. It isn't about health care, it is about control.
Strangely enough, it works here just fine. Do you think Americans are unable for some reason to make a good healthcare system just like many other countries already have?

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#34412 Nov 26, 2012
Lady wrote:
obama is only registered as Democratic, he is of the Green Party. Check your facts, folks, know the truth although, it is too late now for some of you to admit the truth because you have voted in the biggest con America has ever faced. Thank you, voters for obama for listening to the lies and spreading them, you have thrown away our freedoms and liberties. Check the facts, know the truth and see what you did.
Oh, so you will fight for Tamara to have the right to vote for a Republican, but when it comes to anyone who voted Democrat, you through out the ignorance and guilt cards?

Yea, right.

Since: Sep 12

Groningen, Netherlands

#34413 Nov 26, 2012
correction: throw
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34414 Nov 26, 2012
OkieAbroad wrote:
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Tamara,
My source is my common sense. The whole entire purpose of any health care system is to make health care insurance affordable and legally the responsibility of the individual. I live in the Dutch health care system, which is what Obama said he used to model his health care plan. Companies here do not pay and have no reason to pay or subsidize health insurance for their workers, because every individual here has to pay their own insurance.(people taking responsibility for themselves) Lower income families here get their health insurance subsidized by the government. Companies pay NOTHING.
Do YOU have information on Obama's healthcare plan that states otherwise?? Then I would be interested in seeing that because it makes no sense to me that companies would have to DOUBLE insure their workers.
Obama's health care plan will include the employers with a certain total of employees working for the to provide health insurance for their employees. If the employer does not then they will be fined so much each year they do not just like any individual that does not carry health insurance.. The way it stands now the government will not be the total health insurance carrier. You will be able to get health insurance thru private health insurance companies. About all the Obamacare really did as it stands now is make it illegal not to have health insurance. If you are in a certain income bracket you will get help pay for it or be put on the medicaid program. One good thing is no one can be turn down for health ins. because of pre-existing conditions. So from what you are saying I donot think our Obamacare will be like what you are talking about. You might get update info on this if you go to Obama Health care.gov .
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34415 Nov 26, 2012
Olkie Abroad your post of 34412 and the person You posted to did not have my name in their post! As far as I am concern we have the freedom to vote for whom ever we want! If I want to vote Democrat then I do and I have and if I want to vote Republican then I do and I have!
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#34416 Nov 26, 2012
OkieAbroad wrote:
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Tamara,
My source is my common sense. The whole entire purpose of any health care system is to make health care insurance affordable and legally the responsibility of the individual. I live in the Dutch health care system, which is what Obama said he used to model his health care plan. Companies here do not pay and have no reason to pay or subsidize health insurance for their workers, because every individual here has to pay their own insurance.(people taking responsibility for themselves) Lower income families here get their health insurance subsidized by the government. Companies pay NOTHING.
Do YOU have information on Obama's healthcare plan that states otherwise?? Then I would be interested in seeing that because it makes no sense to me that companies would have to DOUBLE insure their workers.
How would a company be doubling insuring their employees? The employee would get their health insurance thru who they work for or opt and go out on their own and get their own health insurance. Its an either or thing.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#34417 Nov 26, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Obama's health care plan will include the employers with a certain total of employees working for the to provide health insurance for their employees. If the employer does not then they will be fined so much each year they do not just like any individual that does not carry health insurance.. The way it stands now the government will not be the total health insurance carrier. You will be able to get health insurance thru private health insurance companies. About all the Obamacare really did as it stands now is make it illegal not to have health insurance. If you are in a certain income bracket you will get help pay for it or be put on the medicaid program. One good thing is no one can be turn down for health ins. because of pre-existing conditions. So from what you are saying I donot think our Obamacare will be like what you are talking about. You might get update info on this if you go to Obama Health care.gov .
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The penalty to employers who does not insure employees is so low many will opt for the fine and employees will get their own insurance through Obama plan, thus the companies will save billions due to Obamacare.

If you were a business wouldn't you rather pay a $750 fine rather than pay $7500 to insure an employee? Same for an individual. If I had excellent health I'd much prefer paying the penalty instead of getting insurance, and when I needed coverage the plan allows me to sign up.

So mostly who is going to be insured are those in poor health, and if anything rates will go up for them as more and more healthy people choose to pay the penalty instead of getting insured, which will not generate enough to offset cost of providing coverage to the unhealthy.

So the penalty will have to at least quadruple.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#34418 Nov 26, 2012
Healthy person,$65 a month penalty or $300-$500 a month for coverage. Which do you choose when you know you can sign up for coverage when you get sick, since it would be a pre-existing condition and you can't be turned down because of it.

It's like buying insurance after the house burns down that covers the house after it burns down.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#34419 Nov 26, 2012
Instead of blaming Obama why don't we try to find ways to make affordable care more equitable and just for all?

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#34420 Nov 26, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
Instead of blaming Obama why don't we try to find ways to make affordable care more equitable and just for all?
Because the hicks don't care about affordable health care. They care about black people "getting over on them" and they care about opposing the word Democrat. That's their politics in a nutshell.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#34421 Nov 26, 2012
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Obama's health care plan will include the employers with a certain total of employees working for the to provide health insurance for their employees. If the employer does not then they will be fined so much each year they do not just like any individual that does not carry health insurance.. The way it stands now the government will not be the total health insurance carrier. You will be able to get health insurance thru private health insurance companies. About all the Obamacare really did as it stands now is make it illegal not to have health insurance. If you are in a certain income bracket you will get help pay for it or be put on the medicaid program. One good thing is no one can be turn down for health ins. because of pre-existing conditions. So from what you are saying I donot think our Obamacare will be like what you are talking about. You might get update info on this if you go to Obama Health care.gov .
What is hilarious about this post is that Tamara is a 70 year okie hick who knows very little about much of anything. And here she posts as though she were a Rhodes Scholar doing a dissertation. Can you say cut and paste? After all her husband IS an insurance agent.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#34422 Nov 26, 2012
OkieAbroad wrote:
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Tamara,
My source is my common sense. The whole entire purpose of any health care system is to make health care insurance affordable and legally the responsibility of the individual. I live in the Dutch health care system, which is what Obama said he used to model his health care plan. Companies here do not pay and have no reason to pay or subsidize health insurance for their workers, because every individual here has to pay their own insurance.(people taking responsibility for themselves) Lower income families here get their health insurance subsidized by the government. Companies pay NOTHING.
Do YOU have information on Obama's healthcare plan that states otherwise?? Then I would be interested in seeing that because it makes no sense to me that companies would have to DOUBLE insure their workers.
She doesn't want to hear that. 1.) She's old and this is a very common trait among the old. OPPOSE CHANGE! ANY CHANGE!. 2.) She's a low information hick. 3.) She's in Oklahoma which thinks opposing everything put forth by a Democrat is sufficient grounds for doing so simply because of the word Democrat. 4.) She's lived her entire adult life off the parasitic insurance industry.

You're beating a dead horse.
Dana

United States

#34423 Nov 26, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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The penalty to employers who does not insure employees is so low many will opt for the fine and employees will get their own insurance through Obama plan, thus the companies will save billions due to Obamacare.
If you were a business wouldn't you rather pay a $750 fine rather than pay $7500 to insure an employee? Same for an individual. If I had excellent health I'd much prefer paying the penalty instead of getting insurance, and when I needed coverage the plan allows me to sign up.
So mostly who is going to be insured are those in poor health, and if anything rates will go up for them as more and more healthy people choose to pay the penalty instead of getting insured, which will not generate enough to offset cost of providing coverage to the unhealthy.
So the penalty will have to at least quadruple.
The fine is more like $2000.00 per employee. Funny how you just make stuff up all the time!

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#34424 Nov 26, 2012
Dana wrote:
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The fine is more like $2000.00 per employee. Funny how you just make stuff up all the time!
You bubba. Subtract 2,000.00 from 7,5000 and the difference would be what? About a 5,500.00 net gain for the employer to refuse health care to an employee. Right? BTW nice pig you have there. Family or just dating?

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#34425 Nov 26, 2012
Dana wrote:
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The fine is more like $2000.00 per employee. Funny how you just make stuff up all the time!
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Funny how you never know what are credible facts.

The penalty proposed for not having healthcare is $695 per person but not more than $2,085.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#34426 Nov 26, 2012
Even at high end of penalty a business owner could save $5000 a year by paying penalty instead of insuring an employee. A $2000 cost of doing business is much more attractive than a $7500 cost of doing business.

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